we should do a full page ad in NY Times advertising Boston Tea Party II

[thoughtbombing]

Just spent the last hour on the phone talking the fine points if this idea and the logistics with "skiingff"

Hope he can better vouch for me than I can for myself. He knows how serious I am, now. Spent over an hour talking to him on the phone about a few things, including the finer points of PAC's...

also the best ways to go about doing this in an open way, which everyone here can live with, as well as being effective overall. Should be able to post up some info shortly that will substantiate the the argument that this needs to move forward immediately.

Everyone calm down for a few, and take a deep breath.

FOR NOW, RATHER THAN DEBATING FUNDS, DEBATE THE IDEA ITSELF... What would you like to see in the ad, come from the ad, following the ad?

GO.

 

[KewlRonduderules]

I think I'd rather go through the PAC.

From what I understood, the space was already bought. Now, I am hearing differently.

 

[fcofer]

FOR NOW, RATHER THAN DEBATING FUNDS, DEBATE THE IDEA ITSELF... What would you like to see in the ad, come from the ad, following the ad?

Thoughtbombing, I was under the impression that you had already paid for an ad in the Times.

Did I come to this belief unreasonably? This is your payment receipt email to me:

A true American Patriot. Thank you SO MUCH for your support. I was beginning to feel a bit of heartburn for a moment after spending that money. It's good to see that people are ready to support each other in the name of Freedom.

Victory in 08!

 

[kylejack]

Thoughtbombing, I really hate to be a dick about this, but it seems like you're living with your mom from what I've seen. You stated before that you already paid for the ad, and now you and skiing are saying that didn't happen, but that you will be paying for the ad upfront. This all seems really shady, and I think the best thing to do at this point is to return everyone's money and direct them to follow the thread and donate to whatever PAC we use for this. Again, I'm really not trying to be a dick, but how does a 24 year old who lives with his mother have a lawyer on retainer? What's the name of the lawyer, because there's a few questions I'd like to ask him.

 

[skiingff]

Thoughtbombing, I was under the impression that you had already paid for an ad in the Times.

Did I come to this belief unreasonably? This is your payment receipt email to me:

I thought this too. The answer is NO, it's not already bought.

He doesn't even know the price yet; he's trying to find that out now.

Everything should run smoothly - he finds out the price, and pays for it upfront like he said he was going to do / already did.

THEN, he gets reimbursed for his money once everything is confirmed.

Yes, this will go thru a PAC, hopefully Lord Xar's is he agrees to it.

Again, the money issue will be taken care of; this will be Legal.

But first, we need:
Step One - A concrete price, in writing
Step Two - Prepayment by thoughtbombing

Let's only focus on steps 1 & 2, once they get done we can move forward.

 

[KewlRonduderules]

I'm already booked for the 15th of December, page 6 or 7, can't remember.. A fold. Already committed the money to it from the savings. So I'm not messing around. This is happening.

what exactly did you mean here?

 

[kylejack]

Thoughtbombing, just return the money for now. We'll figure out what PAC to send it to shortly.

 

[fcofer]

Thoughtbombing has refunded my donation.

([email protected]) has issued you a full or partial refund for your payment.

Please do not reply to this email. Email sent to this address cannot be answered.

Message From Seller:
Thanks for the support. Sorry for the misunderstanding, and I hope you will feel inclined to re-donate when the claim is substantiated.

Victory in '08!

 

[thoughtbombing]

Thoughtbombing has refunded my donation.

You and a lot of other people. Cost me about 75 cents per person to refund that.

 

[kylejack]

You and a lot of other people. Cost me about 75 cents per person to refund that.

Just refund all of them, and subtract 75 cents out of the refund, and send them a link to this thread so we can figure out where to re-transmit to.

 

[thoughtbombing]

Just refund all of them, and subtract 75 cents out of the refund, and send them a link to this thread so we can figure out where to re-transmit to.

I'm no thief, Kylejack. I don't want people think I'm trying to screw them over. I don't need that kinda shit in my life.

I understand that the vast majority of you think there is some kind of conspiracy against you, your candidate, etc... the last thing I need is tin foil hat wearers all finding address on the net and coming to visit me while I'm asleep, over 75 cents. It was better to refund all the money that was requested be refunded, and I started to refund some more, but I have to head to work for a few hours and take care of some things.

Allow me to disclose part of the phone conversation(but not all, because it's not final yet and I don't know what they are currently doing). In short, the cost will be ROUGHLY TWICE the initial discussed total of 65k. When I say roughly, that's because it could fluctuate between 120-180k.

Currently waiting on an email, when I get it on my Blackberry, I'll hop online and post up the results. If I'm not back on here by tonight, you can safely assume it was outside of that range. In short, above 150 Large, call it off and advertise in the NY Post. Again, sorry for the confusion. I'm just really pumped after see that November 5th success, and want to turn that into Success in the primary, and then again in November '08.

Again, if anything substantive happens, I'll let you know. They had to get in contact with some legal Dept about it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

3. If you look at RON PAUL donors, I think you'll find a lot of them are also HILLARY supporters.

4. Ignore that at your peril

Why on earth would a Hillary supporter, be a Ron Paul donor? They are total opposites.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Allow me to disclose part of the phone conversation(but not all, because it's not final yet and I don't know what they are currently doing). In short, the cost will be ROUGHLY TWICE the initial discussed total of 65k. When I say roughly, that's because it could fluctuate between 120-180k.

They won't give us the same price that they gave Giuliani and Moveon.org? If not, why not?

 

[terlinguatx]

...

 

[rrt82]

Why don't we just give the money to Ron Paul's campaign, and have faith the campaign will know how best to spend the money? As I said in another thread, if we get Ron Paul to 2nd or 3rd place amongst Republicans for fund raising, that will give us far more free media advertising than some ad in a liberal newspaper could do.

Imagine the media attention the RP campaign would get if we beat Obama, or Hillary?

 

[thoughtbombing]

They won't give us the same price that they gave Giuliani and Moveon.org? If not, why not?

About the same time that took place, the industry prices went up a bit. At the same time, I argued that the same discount should be given (% wise)

I assume the delay is because they are talking with a Lawyer about the consequences of the price they give me. Frankly, that's a good idea on their part. Hopefully the lawyer will tell them what I want to hear.

 

[iladelphxx]

The Wallstreet Journal might be a better idea considering the recent support from all the Financial people....

 

[J4ck]

You have to understand the MSM. The NY Times and the WSJ are for the elites (their purpose is to offer a marketplace for selling opinions to the elite), they're not interested in donating to Ron Paul, he is somewhat of their 'natural enemy'. It would be better to advertise in tons of small newspapers in the early states.

 

[thoughtbombing]

You have to understand the MSM. The NY Times and the WSJ are for the elites (their purpose is to offer a marketplace for selling opinions to the elite), they're not interested in donating to Ron Paul, he is somewhat of their 'natural enemy'. It would be better to advertise in tons of small newspapers in the early states.

We're not trying to reach the NY Times, or even the elites... not even the Times readers... we want Fox News to report on how the "LIBERAL New York Times and the CRAZY Ron Paul fanatics that blame America first" dropped a stupid amount of money on a rather plain ad that isn't selling anything.

When a campaign like Mitt Romney's spend a few grand in New Hampshire, it's in the news. The NY Times is the Holy Grail of costly, wasteful advertising... it's a gimmick, it's a stunt...

Coordinated movement against the media. Besides that, if you put the Ron Paul Bullets:

1. never raised taxes
2. never raised pay

and on and on, NY Voters will actually go for that. And you KNOW they will go for that, because they have had 2 republican mayors in a row. Anti-war, Anti-Patriot act, pro guns(a lot of pissed gun owners miss their weapons in NY!), low taxes... that's a no brainer in NY. If they can see past the R next to his name, he's the right guy for NY.


So anyway, it makes the news... people are GOOGLING RON PAUL... the #1 site will be either his website, or the teaparty07 website... either way, it's a winner.

The next day, you advertise in the WSJ or similar, with an ANTI TAX message. Wall Street Journal will be receptive to that message. It's all about COORDINATED ATTACKS. No other campaign is doing that(including this one. How awesome would it be to BEAT THE OTHER CAMPAIGNS TO THE ISSUES ADS?)

 

[bootstrap]

very strange

Wow, I just noticed this thread and read through the whole thing. It leaves me with a sad feeling --- but also relieved, because of the [?small?] chance we might have dodged a bullet! To "thoughtbombing", please understand that we understand how people can get carried away with enthusiasm and cut corners (on the truth). We also know that one of the main reasons we need Ron Paul in office so much is --- the vast majority of this country is scam city, so we must be careful. At one point (before it started getting highly skeptical) I flashed on everyone opening the paper and finding a full page ad for Dennis or Hillary instead!

I think, if everyone wants to continue with this, and we find the laws force the newspaper to sell the space for around $60K (because they already did for other candidates), then maybe we can start over and still do this (or similar). If the cost is over $65K or so, the cost is too high (in my opinion). Then, I suggest we start with a clean slate and consider alternatives.

I have a first alternative suggestion, but only if we need one (meaning, I do not wish to co-opt or derail this effort from thoughtbombing if the cost is around $60K as originally promised).

My alternate suggestion focuses on the importance of winning early primaries. Why not pay to saturate radio and/or cable TV with campaign ads in one or more early primary states? For example, we could make it our goal to make sure Ron Paul wins in New Hampshire BY placing ads that (1) describe Ron Paul positions, and (2) suggest they donate during the December 15/16 "tsunami" or "teaparty" (if we prefer alternatives to "bomb").

I'll also give my opinion on timing. I believe December 15 and/or December 16 is a FINE time to ask for a donation on December 15/16. Most new people we reach will not be as overwhelmingly committed to Ron Paul, and we will do VASTLY better asking them to "go to your computer or phone and donate right NOW".

Well, that's my 2 cents.