we should do a full page ad in NY Times advertising Boston Tea Party II

[constituent]

Sorry, but hold up for just a second.

I don't know who you are, you need someone to vouch for you. Lord Xar has a PAC that has been used in the past.

You don't have $14,590 in donations already. Do you? Unless that is money you are contributing out of your pocket? I would imagine you would understand the need for a bit of clarity before everyone jumps in on this.

this individual has been spamming this like crazy. it was a good little idea at first, but too much on the pushy pushy. just my take. wish him or her well or course, and the overall plan is about right but sorta where we were headed anyway just sorta as the cookie crumbled.

i do appreciate the initiative though, fwiw.

 

[skiingff]

Um, a full page ad in the NYT would cost over $100,000.

How about we give the money to the campaign instead? They can buy over 5,000 cable T.V. ads in KEY PRIMARY STATES with that amount of money.

The large sum of money involved and the legal aspects should immediately stop this idea and people need to think a bit before they jump on the bandwagon.

As someone who has experience in political newspaper advertising, I can assure you no one would want to do the accounting for that sum of $$$ without forming a well-organized Political Action Committee and the newspaper WILL NOT DEAL WITH YOU unless you do things legally.

I know no one will probably listen to me, but that's the facts.

You'd need to purchase such ad in about 2 1/2 or at most 3 weeks from now, and you cannot raise over $100,000 in 3 weeks and get all the money to the proper people legally without going thru a PAC, nor is this even feasible.

 

[Energy]

We have more than 20,000 on Trevor's subscriber list from thisnovember.com plus members here. Trevor just has to blast everyone. And TeaParty07.com promotes the chip in.

Say 5,000 chip in, that's an average of $20 each.

 

[jake]

PS I still think it'd be great to have the ad be an exact copy of the teaparty07.com page.

seconding. the script would be great (maybe some more pictures of Dr. Paul etc.)

 

[kylejack]

Um, a full page ad in the NYT would cost over $100,000.

How about we give the money to the campaign instead? They can buy over 5,000 cable T.V. ads in KEY PRIMARY STATES with that amount of money.

The large sum of money involved and the legal aspects should immediately stop this idea and people need to think a bit before they jump on the bandwagon.

As someone who has experience in political newspaper advertising, I can assure you no one would want to do the accounting for that sum of $$$ without forming a well-organized Political Action Committee and the newspaper WILL NOT DEAL WITH YOU unless you do things legally.

I know no one will probably listen to me, but that's the facts.

You'd need to purchase such ad in about 2 1/2 or at most 3 weeks from now, and you cannot raise over $100,000 in 3 weeks and get all the money to the proper people legally without going thru a PAC, nor is this even feasible.

Yep. PAC is essential.

I don't agree about just sending the money to the campaign, though. This effort will raise more on December 16th.

 

[meowmixeater]

ill be gone the rest of the day. so i cant update the site. someone let me know how the donations should be accepted for when im back 2moro morning

 

[ronpaulitician]

Lord Xar has a PAC that has been used in the past.

I personally would feel more comfortable handing this project over to the people that ran the Iowa ad project. (= Lord Xar)

 

[skiingff]

If anything is going to be done, it needs to be thru Lord Xar's PAC.

I log on here today and suddenly see 10+ pages that came out of thin air and 2+ people trying to collect large sums of money.

This is very odd.

Either things are done legally thru Xar's PAC, or not at all. No one is going to give large sums of $$$ to random people... that's crazy.

We need to be able to have full faith and trust, and Xar has a track record to prove it.

 

[JoshLowry]

I personally would feel more comfortable handing this project over to the people that ran the Iowa ad project. (= Lord Xar)

I would as well. I think you would find people more willing to chip in. We are talking about a lot of money.

However, I'm not going to try and stop anything going on here. It's just everyone should always be careful donating to a new kid on the block. Hopefully this does get done.

 

[Energy]

I personally would feel more comfortable handing this project over to the people that ran the Iowa ad project. (= Lord Xar)

Sorry, but hold up for just a second.

I don't know who you are, you need someone to vouch for you. Lord Xar has a PAC that has been used in the past.

You don't have $14,590 in donations already. Do you? Unless that is money you are contributing out of your pocket? I would imagine you would understand the need for a bit of clarity before everyone jumps in on this.

I agree. Money has to go through a PAC or something. Everything has to be aboveboard.

And no offense to thoughtbombing but thoughtbombing.org site has zero credibility.

 

[kylejack]

Stealth, I'm maxed out, or I'd donate. I post the November11th link everywhere I post my own... post the Teaparty07 link right in between them... Check the RonPaul myspace page... it's like EVERY COMMENT on there

This claim that he is maxed out could not be confirmed. His name doesn't appear in FEC reports up through Q3, and his name never appeared on the scroller. Its possible it slipped in between the cracks, but most donors have been captured by chowda. Just an FYI that at least one thing he's said cannot be confirmed.

 

[dc74rp]

Thoughtbombing,

I think you might have jumped the gun if you actually already bought an ad you don't have cash for........

I'm not saying you're dishonest, but you seemed to jump on the opportunity to have money sent to you, with a pretty agressive pitch. All the details seemed to be "whatever you all decide is fine", except the "here's the address to send the $$$$$".

On your Myspace page you have the motto "F*ck Politics I Just Want To Burn Sh*T Down".

Your Myspace profile was established about 6 months ago and has both the official Kuncinich campaign and "original unofficial Kucinich page" as friends. I'm not hip to how Myspace works, but can I assume that since Paul is the first friend on your list, he was the most recently added?

Again, none of this makes you dishonest, and I'm not saying you're dishonest. But you gotta admit, asking people to send what will likely add up to tens of thousands of dollars based on how much faith they have in your word that you've bought an ad is questionable.

I'm not intending this to offend or disparage you in any way. It's just that, for me, I'd have a hard time putting this much faith in alot of people I have face to face contact with on a regular basis. Much less a record promoter I've never met and only know about from the internet.

I think you can likely appreciate where I'm coming from, looking at it from my point of view. I'm sure as a business man you don't front tens of thousands of dollars to some band that promises they can actually play when all you know about them are posts and web pages on the internet.

You may want to cancel your ad and web page and let us all unite our efforts on funding this. Thanks in advance for your understanding.

I'd cast my vote for Lord Xar's "Americans United for Liberty" PAC.

 

[fcofer]

This claim that he is maxed out could not be confirmed. His name doesn't appear in FEC reports up through Q3, and his name never appeared on the scroller. Its possible it slipped in between the cracks, but most donors have been captured by chowda. Just an FYI that at least one thing he's said cannot be confirmed.

Hmmm... I actually donated, but that was before I read the claim that $14,000+ in donations had already been received, which seems a little incredible. That, together with the fact that his name doesn't appear in the donor lists, together with the new registration, together with the generic appearance of the site, is starting to make me feel a little foolish -- if I were a scammer, that's exactly how I'd go about it.

Thoughtbombing, I hope you're legit, and if you are, please don't take this the wrong way. But please make contact with one of the senior members or administrators posting on this thread so that we can have someone vouch for you.

 

[kylejack]

Thoughtbombing,

I think you might have jumped the gun if you actually already bought an ad you don't have cash for........

I'm not saying you're dishonest, but you seemed to jump on the opportunity to have money sent to you, with a pretty agressive pitch. All the details seemed to be "whatever you all decide is fine", except the "here's the address to send the $$$$$".

On your Myspace page you have the motto "F*ck Politics I Just Want To Burn Sh*T Down".

Your Myspace profile was established about 6 months ago and has both the official Kuncinich campaign and "original unofficial Kucinich page" as friends. I'm not hip to how Myspace works, but can I assume that since Paul is the first friend on your list, he was the most recently added?

Again, none of this makes you dishonest, and I'm not saying you're dishonest. But you gotta admit, asking people to send what will likely add up to tens of thousands of dollars based on how much faith they have in your word that you've bought an ad is questionable.

I'm not intending this to offend or disparage you in any way. It's just that, for me, I'd have a hard time putting this much faith in alot of people I have face to face contact with on a regular basis. Much less a record promoter I've never met and only know about from the internet.

I think you can likely appreciate where I'm coming from, looking at it from my point of view. I'm sure as a business man you don't front tens of thousands of dollars to some band that promises they can actually play when all you know about them are posts and web pages on the internet.

You may want to cancel your ad and web page and let us all unite our efforts on funding this. Thanks in advance for your understanding.

I'd cast my vote for Lord Xar's "Americans United for Liberty" PAC.

He also signed a petition with the Oregon Democrats to impeach Bush and Cheney.

I'm all for this effort, but I'm totally against doing it without a PAC, and I urge everyone to stop sending this guy that we've just met any more money.

 

[thoughtbombing]

edit.

will send monies involved to the PAC.

Whatever I can do to help. I'm not here to make waves in this group. Just in politics.

1. Ron Paul is my top friend because I set him there.
2. Dennis Kucinich is there because I donated to him previously to try and derail Hillary.
3. If you look at RON PAUL donors, I think you'll find a lot of them are also HILLARY supporters.

4. Ignore that at your peril

 

[Mckarnin]

This isn't political activity. this is free speech.

We're not selling anything.. if you read my first proposal the entire page would have been white, with plain black text that says:

"THE BEAUTY OF NOT BEING SOLD ANYTHING."

Hardly an endorsement! Last of all, I've already PAID FOR THE AD. I'm not raising money for Political activity. I am raising money so that I don't go into bankruptcy due to my political advocacy.. completely legal, according to my attorney. Please understand... this ad will run, even if no one donates anything to the cause at all. If nobody else gave a penny... that ad still runs.

It's not illegal to DONATE to something like what you're talking about, btw... only to be the one raising it. My attorney assures me, I'm in the right here.

You paid for the ad already?!?!? I didn't think we hadf anyone on here who could do that. So, are we still raising money to defray your costs? P.S. Do we have a recipt for the Dec 9th ad?

 

[kylejack]

You paid for the ad already?!?!? I didn't think we hadf anyone on here who could do that. So, are we still raising money to defray your costs? P.S. Do we have a recipt for the Dec 9th ad?

Yes, I'd like to see a receipt too, so that we can see how a 24 year old swung 60K+.

 

[skiingff]

We all know Ron Paul supporters are generous people.

But to extend that generosity to a project that is unobtainable considering the amount ($100,000+) and the time frame (2 1/2 - 3 weeks max), and is led by someone who just appeared out of thin air...

I mean, c'mon.

I've spoken on the phone with Dean (Lord Xar), LibertyEagle, AdamT, and many others. I've published over 10 newspaper ads in New Hampshire with generous help from RP supporters, and that's a fact. I've closely worked with Linda Lagana and Jim Forsythe on newspaper ad designs, and everyone's seen the end products (I have pictures and scans of the actual ads) and have received feedback from every one that has been published, by N.H. residents.

So I know a little about how this print advertising business works, and I'm telling you this is the dumbest idea I've heard in a while (to put it bluntly).

Not enough time.

Say you collect $100,000+ in 2 weeks. Then you have to transfer it from your PayPal account into your bank account (3-5 days). Then you have to cut a check and mail it in (2-3 days). Then your check gets rejected because it's a PERSONAL check and not from a legitimate PAC organization.

Newspapers do not play around with FEC regulations. You must abide by them to have your ad printed. So now you need to form a PAC, collect information from every donor, file reports with the FEC, meet technical specifications and guidelines for printing and legal requirements for a disclaimer.

Something's majorly wrong here, and if you're going to go about this, do it thru a PAC that already has their crap straight and is trusted.

 

[thoughtbombing]

Again... when the PAC is set, let me know. I'll be there. Please let me know what the logistics are of me making a large donation to them, if the funds were raised in this way.

 

[kylejack]

edit.

will send monies involved to the PAC.

Whatever I can do to help. I'm not here to make waves in this group. Just in politics.

1. Ron Paul is my top friend because I set him there.
2. Dennis Kucinich is there because I donated to him previously to try and derail Hillary.
3. If you look at RON PAUL donors, I think you'll find a lot of them are also HILLARY supporters.

4. Ignore that at your peril

You can send a max of $5000 to a PAC, so you'll have to send the other 9K back to the people who sent it to you and have them send it.