We need to start a movement to Expel certain states from the union by Constitutional Amendment

[Swordsmyth]

LOL

I'd say your hate-mongering is continually driving your posts- divide and conquer is your meme.

Ron Paul's solutions are the best I've seen but haters don't want that.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-Socialism-On-The-March&p=6645767#post6645767

You can't love liberty without hating tyranny, it is an exercise in charity and mercy to expel them instead of exterminating them.
They are destroying us and stealing our liberty, continued coexistence is only possible if we submit.

 

[Ender]

You can't love liberty without hating tyranny, it is an exercise in charity and mercy to expel them instead of exterminating them.
They are destroying us and stealing our liberty, continued coexistence is only possible if we submit.

Expelling the states you think are causing a problem in the dictatorship you are already in, will NOT solve the problem of the dictatorship. The "Civil" War solved that problem for you- your state no rights in "leaving" and neither does any other state.

And how many of those states have you actually been in?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Expelling the states you think are causing a problem in the dictatorship you are already in, will NOT solve the problem of the dictatorship. The "Civil" War solved that problem for you- your state no rights in "leaving" and neither does any other state.

And how many of those states have you actually been in?

Those states are the ones keeping it a dictatorship and expelling several will set the precedent that the union is not indivisible as well as stop their tyrannical schemes against the rest of us.

The civil war didn't change the states's right to leave Yankee.

Just what advantage is there in letting them stay?

You just want them to win so you want to keep them as a millstone around our necks.

 

[Ender]

Those states are the ones keeping it a dictatorship and expelling several will set the precedent that the union is not indivisible as well as stop their tyrannical schemes against the rest of us.

The civil war didn't change the states's right to leave Yankee.

Just what advantage is there in letting them stay?

You just want them to win so you want to keep them as a millstone around our necks.

Do you not know ANYTHING about history? The War Between the States change the united States of America into the United States of America, a corporation. NO state has legal authority to leave the so-called union.

And I'd say all your venom & hate is the milestone YOU are pushing. Hopefully you're soon fired for your trolling.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Do you not know ANYTHING about history? The War Between the States change the united States of America into the United States of America, a corporation. NO state has legal authority to leave the so-called union.

That is what Yankees like you claimed at the point of a gun, rights can't be changed that way.

They began the hate, hate for the Constitution and those of us who love it, I temper my counter-hate with mercy and charity and do not call for their extermination.

All we want is to be left alone.

What makes you oppose their expulsion?
They would be free to do as they desire and so would we.
Obviously you want them to finish conquering the rest of us and this is an idea that could bring your Jesuit masters' evil plans to a halt.

 

[osan]

It isn't more laws, it is enforcing the Constitution while allowing them the freedom to have the horrible governments of their choice.
Would you rather use force to overthrow their elected governments?
Or perhaps you are happy with things just the way they are, with them slowly strangling liberty in the whole country?
Your sheep's clothing is slipping.

This ancient back and forth to which men make application of their argumentative faculty - federal merit v. that of local government - makes plain the louse that is the lie of all government; of any government whatsoever. But that veil upon the mind only diverts the eye from a deeper truth that tells us it is men and only men that render vile the conditions of their self-befouled lives; for at the end of it all that blind is naught but that - the gossamer lie that a corrupted humanity accepts as real and authoritative such that they bend themselves to it no matter how debased and bankrupted the result that drives them into contemptuous ruin and misery, bringing forth the fruits of desolation upon their liberty.

 

[Ender]

That is what Yankees like you claimed at the point of a gun, rights can't be changed that way.

They began the hate, hate for the Constitution and those of us who love it, I temper my counter-hate with mercy and charity and do not call for their extermination.

All we want is to be left alone.

What makes you oppose their expulsion?
They would be free to do as they desire and so would we.
Obviously you want them to finish conquering the rest of us and this is an idea that could bring your Jesuit masters' evil plans to a halt.

No argument for your hate spew so it's name-calling & insult time, I see.

I'll just repeat this:

How about we go back to the original Federation of States?

The original "Union" of the states was that every State was separate and could run itself whatever way it wanted, by the local community. The CONstitution started the path toward a controlling Central Gov that would rule as it pleased.

The "Civil" War cemented that.

What we have now is a phony left/right sealed by an elite central gov that rules everything while letting the fooled think they have a choice.

 

[Swordsmyth]

No argument for your hate spew so it's name-calling & insult time, I see.

I'll just repeat this:

How about we go back to the original Federation of States?

The original "Union" of the states was that every State was separate and could run itself whatever way it wanted, by the local community. The CONstitution started the path toward a controlling Central Gov that would rule as it pleased.

The "Civil" War cemented that.

What we have now is a phony left/right sealed by an elite central gov that rules everything while letting the fooled think they have a choice.

And I'll just repeat this: It is the deep blue states that will never let that happen, we can only achieve that by expelling them first.


But you know that, that is why you oppose expelling them.

 

[Ender]

And I'll just repeat this: It is the deep blue states that will never let that happen, we can only achieve that by expelling them first.


But you know that, that is why you oppose expelling them.

Insults & innuendos- oh my!

 

[TheTexan]

Doing this would be the end of Rand's career.

Rand still has a bright future with many years left of being a senator.

Let's not ruin that by asking him to do something that might make a difference.

 

[TheTexan]

Maybe we can get Massie to do this. He's more expendable

 

[Leaning Libertarian]

I can appreciate the frustrations creating the call for such action; however, feel the suggested course misguided. Living in California, my state would certainly make the list. The realities of the problem is a combination of political ignorance on the part of the represented voting constituency, coupled with a healthy dose of political corruption. California's "motor voter" law comes to mind. First, regardless of citizenship status, individuals can obtain drivers licenses. Second, EVERYONE with a drivers license is automatically registered to vote, unless they choose to opt out. As far as California State Government's obvious decision to show distain and and disloyalty to the union, by ignoring any cooperation with our duly elected Presidential Administration and federal agencies, removing the state from the union is not the right answer in my opinion. Each state has resource, mass, and human capital that belongs to the United States. What desperately needs happen is consequences for these states. No state as of yet has received a consequence. If federal funding is withheld from these states, they will feel the consequence of their decisions. The Presidential Administration also has the option; moreover, is yet to use the option, of sending the National Guard to force state compliance. This precedence was set on June 11, 1963, when then President Kennedy sent the National Guard to force Alabama Governor Wallace to comply with federal anti segregation laws. Rather than "throwing out the baby with the dirty bath water," by forcing states to be separated from the Union, it would be wiser to force the states to feel an actual consequence. Liberty demands states be allowed to form their own state governance; however, they should never be free from the consequence of their intentional indifference to the United States.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I can appreciate the frustrations creating the call for such action; however, feel the suggested course misguided. Living in California, my state would certainly make the list. The realities of the problem is a combination of political ignorance on the part of the represented voting constituency, coupled with a healthy dose of political corruption. California's "motor voter" law comes to mind. First, regardless of citizenship status, individuals can obtain drivers licenses. Second, EVERYONE with a drivers license is automatically registered to vote, unless they choose to opt out. As far as California State Government's obvious decision to show distain and and disloyalty to the union, by ignoring any cooperation with our duly elected Presidential Administration and federal agencies, removing the state from the union is not the right answer in my opinion. Each state has resource, mass, and human capital that belongs to the United States. What desperately needs happen is consequences for these states. No state as of yet has received a consequence. If federal funding is withheld from these states, they will feel the consequence of their decisions. The Presidential Administration also has the option; moreover, is yet to use the option, of sending the National Guard to force state compliance. This precedence was set on June 11, 1963, when then President Kennedy sent the National Guard to force Alabama Governor Wallace to comply with federal anti segregation laws. Rather than "throwing out the baby with the dirty bath water," by forcing states to be separated from the Union, it would be wiser to force the states to feel an actual consequence. Liberty demands states be allowed to form their own state governance; however, they should never be free from the consequence of their intentional indifference to the United States.

I understand your position but the basic problem is the hordes of leftists who inhabit the worst states, so long as they continue to send Representatives and Senators to D.C. the steps you suggest will be blocked.

For what it is worth I would not include California in the expulsion, there are too many conservatives trapped there, I want to target states that are even more solidly leftist, once they have been expelled CALExit will happen because the left will despair of ever regaining power, then we can allow CALExit on the condition that the conservative leaning counties be left behind as the State of California.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

I can appreciate the frustrations creating the call for such action; however, feel the suggested course misguided. Living in California, my state would certainly make the list. The realities of the problem is a combination of political ignorance on the part of the represented voting constituency, coupled with a healthy dose of political corruption. California's "motor voter" law comes to mind. First, regardless of citizenship status, individuals can obtain drivers licenses. Second, EVERYONE with a drivers license is automatically registered to vote, unless they choose to opt out. As far as California State Government's obvious decision to show distain and and disloyalty to the union, by ignoring any cooperation with our duly elected Presidential Administration and federal agencies, removing the state from the union is not the right answer in my opinion. Each state has resource, mass, and human capital that belongs to the United States. What desperately needs happen is consequences for these states. No state as of yet has received a consequence. If federal funding is withheld from these states, they will feel the consequence of their decisions. The Presidential Administration also has the option; moreover, is yet to use the option, of sending the National Guard to force state compliance. This precedence was set on June 11, 1963, when then President Kennedy sent the National Guard to force Alabama Governor Wallace to comply with federal anti segregation laws. Rather than "throwing out the baby with the dirty bath water," by forcing states to be separated from the Union, it would be wiser to force the states to feel an actual consequence. Liberty demands states be allowed to form their own state governance; however, they should never be free from the consequence of their intentional indifference to the United States.

Please dear God tell me this is satire.

And for the record, the precident was set on April 14, 1861.

 

[Ender]

Please dear God tell me this is satire.

And for the record, the precident was set on April 14, 1861.

Ya think?

 

[Swordsmyth]

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...t-life-and-many-other-gross-rights-violations

 

[Swordsmyth]

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...t-life-and-many-other-gross-rights-violations

Please sign and spread.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Just need two thirds of the states to agree.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Just need two thirds of the states to agree.

And?

We might not need a Constitutional Amendment, by the way.

 

[Zippyjuan]

And?

We might not need a Constitutional Amendment, by the way.

No, but to remove a state you still need two thirds of the states to agree. In addition to a majority of the citizens of that state. Either way.