We Need the Police Because...

[acptulsa]

The police department spokesman announced he cannot say if the police killed any of the victims. But police pathologists have had the technology to determine just that for about eighty years now.

What can we infer from this?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Police Chief John Mina has also admitted that some of the victims may have been hit by officers' gun fire.

Shocked, shocked I am.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Police Chief John Mina has also admitted that some of the victims may have been hit by officers' gun fire.

Shocked, shocked I am.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Police Chief John Mina has also admitted that some of the victims may have been hit by officers' gun fire.

Shocked, shocked I am.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Authorities in Orlando say the situation changed from an active-shooter scenario to a hostage situation once gunman Mateen made it into one of the bathrooms where club-goers were hiding.

He first had a shootout with the off-duty officer at the club's entrance.

Then two other officers arrived and the firing continued.

Experts say there's a big difference between responding to a lone gunman and a shooter who has hostages.

In active-shooter situations, police are now trained to respond immediately, even if only one or two officers are available to confront the suspect.
In a hostage crisis, law enforcement generally tries to negotiate.

Once in the restroom, Mateen called 911 and made statements pledging allegiance to the Islamic State, Orlando Police Chief John Mina said Monday.
That's when the shooting stopped and hostage negotiators began talking with him, the chief said.

We aren't going to get the exact truth from stories on the internet. And this story doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

When did the shooter have time to shoot 100 people if he was also in a firefight with 3 cops the whole time (until the bathroom)?

Apparently the cops were outside having a firefight with the outside of the building while the shooter was inside killing everyone?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Authorities in Orlando say the situation changed from an active-shooter scenario to a hostage situation once gunman Mateen made it into one of the bathrooms where club-goers were hiding.

He first had a shootout with the off-duty officer at the club's entrance.

Then two other officers arrived and the firing continued.

Experts say there's a big difference between responding to a lone gunman and a shooter who has hostages.

In active-shooter situations, police are now trained to respond immediately, even if only one or two officers are available to confront the suspect.
In a hostage crisis, law enforcement generally tries to negotiate.

Once in the restroom, Mateen called 911 and made statements pledging allegiance to the Islamic State, Orlando Police Chief John Mina said Monday.
That's when the shooting stopped and hostage negotiators began talking with him, the chief said.

We aren't going to get the exact truth from stories on the internet. And this story doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

When did the shooter have time to shoot 100 people if he was also in a firefight with 3 cops the whole time (until the bathroom)?

Apparently the cops were outside having a firefight with the outside of the building while the shooter was inside killing everyone?

 

[Suzanimal]

Love, Leftist Style
Becky Akers

I am no fan of Geraldo Rivera—in fact, since I avoid the sewer that is popular culture, I have only a vague and unpleasant notion of his notoriety. But he’s apparently in hot water with the mindless masses for this innocuous and even sensible analysis of the shootings in Orlando (presuming they happened as Our Rulers claim, despite mounting evidence that the whole thing may be yet another false flag):

When you’re in that situation and you have no weapons you have two choices. If you can’t hide and you can’t run there’s only two choices – you stay and die or you fight…For God’s sake, fight back. Fight back. There’s a hundred [sic] people that he murdered with one weapon that he reloaded.

Ah, but then what use would the State’s “first responders” be? And think of the independence and autonomy if Americans reverted to the formerly universal reflex of defending themselves! Why, they’d invalidate much of the premise for Leviathan. And we can’t have that.

With their god threatened even this remotely, Progressives are unleashing all the hatred-sorry, love in their benighted little souls:

Actor, painter and musician John Lurie posted a series of tweets about Rivera’s comments. ‘Someone slap Geraldo Rivera in the face,’ wrote Lurie.

Aaaaccckkkk! I need a “safe space,” quick, before this incitement to violence triggers my anxieties!

He then added: ‘I believe the only solution to save this world is love towards one another, except toward Geraldo Rivera. No love for Geraldo. If all of the hate groups focused their hate on one man – the world would be a safer, better place – let that man be Geraldo Rivera.’

You’d think poor Rivera had bombed innocent folks in Afghanistan or lied about a private server for official emails instead of urging men to act like men. Oh, wait… Hmmm…

Then there’s this from “Media Matters for America, a left-leaning media watchdog. ‘The appalling notion that the victims of senseless violence bear the responsibility of preventing crimes committed against them has long lurked in the US conservative media,’ said Tim Johnson the organization’s guns and public safety program director.”

Yeah, far better to wait for “first responders,” even if it costs 50 people their lives.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/love-leftist-style/

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/love-leftist-style/

I don't get it...we were told what great heroes the people that fought back on Flight 93 on 9/11 were.

Has that much changed in 15 years?

 

[acptulsa]

Gary Johnson: "Gun Restrictions Make Us Less Safe".

"I understand how so many people can believe that if you restrict this kind of weapon you can prevent this kind of incident," said Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson in reaction to the murders in Orlando and the political calls to further restrict access to certain guns that arose after the shooting.

"But there's just no evidence whatsoever to suggest that it makes us any safer, and in fact restricting guns makes things less safe, that's the camp that I'm in," he said in a phone interview this morning.

At-least one of the candidates got it right.

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[asurfaholic]

Why we need police?

 

[pcosmar]

Default ,, We Need the Police Because...


My default, Police should not exist in a free society.
Police are an authoritarian concept,, that is wholly incomparable with liberty.

Both government and polite society thrived in this land before the concept of "Police" was imported.

Police are not needed,, they are a hindrance.

 

[RJ Liberty]

What is that between the gun and "ISIS" ?

looks like a canteen with a duck's head sticking out of it lol

Heh.

I think it's an old-timey coffee pot. The kind our grandparents used to use, hearkening back to old times, when the police spent their days drinking coffee at the local donut shop, rather than shooting up clubs in combat gear.

 

[Jamesiv1]

A pressure cooker.

+rep

 

[Theocrat]

...I can't spend all day patrolling my property, defending it from would-be civil dissidents, when I need to provide for the needs of my loved ones and myself.

 

[acptulsa]

...I can't spend all day patrolling my property, defending it from would-be civil dissidents, when I need to provide for the needs of my loved ones and myself.

We are quickly reaching the point where your home is more likely to be broken into by a SWAT team that can't read the address on their warrant than a burglar.

Maybe we do need police, maybe, if we don't have good neighbors. But we don't need this police state. We don't need governments so jealous of their power that they don't allow us to defend ourselves, our property and our loved ones when they aren't around. We don't need to be forced to pay people to do more harm than good. And we sure don't need DHS taking our tax dollars and only giving them back to our communities if our local governments pass ridiculous laws and our police departments militarize themselves.

 

[pcosmar]

...I can't spend all day patrolling my property, defending it from would-be civil dissidents, when I need to provide for the needs of my loved ones and myself.

Hire private security.

If you are unable to trust God for your security.

 

[phill4paul]

...I can't spend all day patrolling my property, defending it from would-be civil dissidents, when I need to provide for the needs of my loved ones and myself.

The police patrol your property all day?

 

[Theocrat]

Rebuttals

We are quickly reaching the point where your home is more likely to be broken into by a SWAT team that can't read the address on their warrant than a burglar.

Maybe we do need police, maybe, if we don't have good neighbors. But we don't need this police state. We don't need governments so jealous of their power that they don't allow us to defend ourselves, our property and our loved ones when they aren't around. We don't need to be forced to pay people to do more harm than good. And we sure don't need DHS taking our tax dollars and only giving them back to our communities if our local governments pass ridiculous laws and our police departments militarize themselves.

Yes, I agree that our current law enforcement system is in shambles, and I also agree that we do not need to become a police state, especially because our law enforcement has done things like broken into incorrect homes. My point is that I support having police, in principle, because we can't spend all of 24 hours of a day on guard against perpetrators to our families and our homes. That brings me to pcosmar's point:

Hire private security.

If you are unable to trust God for your security.

Yes, it's an option to hire private security, if we didn't have all of the complicated tax structures from our local and county governments. But if citizens within a local or county municipality agreed to pay (when I say "pay" I actually mean "voluntary payment," as for a service, not automatic deduction of wages from a government authority) for law enforcement to protect their loved ones and property, then that, in effect, is like having private security.

The police patrol your property all day?

With having a local or county law enforcement system, patrol systems can be discussed, analyzed, and then adopted to ensure the best routes for patrolling within local communities. Yes, I know that police today do not patrol someone's property all day, but that wasn't the point of my original quote, either.

 

[pcosmar]

Yes, it's an option to hire private security, if we didn't have all of the complicated tax structures from our local and county governments. But if citizens within a local or county municipality agreed to pay (when I say "pay" I actually mean "voluntary payment," as for a service, not automatic deduction of wages from a government authority) for law enforcement to protect their loved ones and property, then that, in effect, is like having private security.

i would be fine with that,, provided your private security did not interfere with my travel, business, or person in any way.

Are you afraid of anything enough to pay men for protection? Really?

and a Theocrat? you must have a weak god.

 

[Theocrat]

Fear is Not the Issue

i would be fine with that,, provided your private security did not interfere with my travel, business, or person in any way.

Are you afraid of anything enough to pay men for protection? Really?

and a Theocrat? you must have a weak god.

Well, that's an interesting line of reasoning. Do you own a gun, pcosmar? If you do, then let me ask you, "Are you afraid of anything enough to pay men for protection? Really?"

And, no, God is not weak, but He's also sovereign enough to use ordinary means (like weapons) as instruments for deterring evil, provided that we keep our faith in Him and not the object, itself. That's what God reminds us to do in Scriptures like:

Some trust in chariots, and some in horses, but we will remember the name of the LORD our God. [Psalm 20:7]

Woe to them that go down to Egypt for help and stay on horses and trust in chariots because they are many, and in horsemen because they are very strong, but they look not unto the Holy One of Israel, neither seek the LORD! [Isaiah 31:1]