We need our own state.

[SteveMartin]

I really think we will be doing well to get 10-20,000 people to move under this project in enough time (before WWIII) to make any kind of difference.

What county folks?....we are definitely talking unreality if we think hundreds of thousands will move.

We are talking about a county now because to get out at all, we must get the people moved and get out now!

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

 

[SteveMartin]

Does anybody know which of the counties where "free state" type movements are currently taking place in the various states has the highest percentage of current "free state" residents?

We may want to just supplement that, and get that county rolling towards secession....

 

[slamhead]

Reasons not to move to the Northwest:

• It rains all the time, even summer
• It is cold all the time, even summer
• The Liberals assume they rule here and that you are liberal too
• The streets are rolled up at sundown (which is 4:30 in the heart of winter)
• The only thing to do on the weekend is to shop for second rate garbage at local mall (if you aren't canvassing for Ron Paul, that is probably more fun than most things up here)
• If you want to open a restaurant in my town the total government fees are upwards of $100,000 if 100 tables
• Portland food sucks outside of the few good downtown restaurants, which have waits of several hours
• People are jerks for the most part,
• and did I mention it is cold and rains all the time

You forgot about the stench of petuli oil.

 

[PennCustom4RP]

Pennsylvania

I say Pennsylvania...
The Original Revolution was conceived there.
The Constitution written there, what better place to defend it.
Borders Canada via Lake Erie.
Fertile farmland for crops, and mountains for defense. In fact these mountains are the Appalachian chain running all the way to Maine
Four regular seasons.
Pittsburgh and Philly are the population centers, Pennsyltuckey in between
In reality all the population is along the I-95 corridor, all the 'Upstate' areas are thin with people, all the way to Maine.
Thick with RP supporters!
I also like Maine and New Hampshire, and are half a day away from PA, these 3 could be outposts of freedom, taking back the entire NorthEast.

PA also Rejected Real ID

 

[SteveMartin]

Looks like there are only 500 "free staters" in all of NH....

http://www.freestateproject.org/about/states_count.php

...and I see nothing in their literature about working towards secession.


They have been at this how long? and accomplished how much?

Folks, we are going to have to concentrate on a county...preferably one with free staters already present and with a low population, and perhaps bordering on Canada...

 

[LittleLightShining]

Looks like there are only 500 "free staters" in all of NH....

http://www.freestateproject.org/about/states_count.php

...and I see nothing in their literature about working towards secession.


They have been at this how long? and accomplished how much?

Folks, we are going to have to concentrate on a county...preferably one with free staters already present and with a low population, and perhaps bordering on Canada...

Faux news on VT secession movement
Official Second Vermont Republic Website

 

[Benaiah]

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[scooter]

Amarillo, cold winters, mild summers. Texas, we're so big we got any climate you need.

I'm happy to see someone bring up Amarillo. I live in Indiana, but I basically have a second home there. I had some relatives in the area and fell in love with the place. You get to be in wide open Texas, but still have all climates.

Maybe we could just take over the western side of Texas where like 10% of the population is located. Or just the panhandle. You have tons of groundwater and wind to provide farming and electricity. I have no doubt that the Texas panhandle area could be self-sustaining.

 

[SteveMartin]

Well let's talk about which county in Texas then. Or NH, or any of the other states we have mentioned and see if we can coalesce around a particular county.

Montana is NOT going to be "taken over" with 20,000 people. 100,000 might do it though...

 

[Benaiah]

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[SteveMartin]

Let's get out a map and look at Brewster and Presidio counties in SW Texas for a minute...Less than 15,000 people all told there now. Very mountainous and good for defense. Warm, but snows in the winter. Much bigger than Aroostook County, ME.

On the border....hmmm....Whatcha all think?

 

[Kacela]

A lot of effort went into deciding which state to move to by the Free State Project:

After two years of exhaustive analysis, the Free State Project chose New Hampshire as its destination. New Hampshire was the first of the original colonies to declare independence from England, and its liberty-loving culture has persisted to this day. With its small population, strong economy, and superlative quality of life, New Hampshire is the best place for the liberty-minded to pursue the goal of small government.

These were all the states considered for the project:

• Montana
• Wyoming
• Delaware
• New Hampshire
• Vermont
• Maine
• Idaho
• North Dakota
• South Dakota
• Alaska

New Hampshire, here I come!

 

[FrankRep]

We're not going to take over jack. Look at how much of a failure the NH free state project was. Best thing we can do is find a place that we'd rather be when the coming collapse or dictatorship comes.


Myself, I'm looking for wide open space/wilderness to hide out in. A place where caves, lakes, and rivers abound.


[edit] BTW. I love hot weather. I want to move back to San Diego. I don't want to live in MT but I'm looking to survive the SHTF scenerio that is coming. Therefore, It's MT for me.

The NH Free State Project isn't a failure, people are slowly moving there. It's hard to uproot your life and move to a different state (or across the country).

518 have moved so far.
8231 plan to move.

This stuff takes time.

 

[SteveMartin]

No thoughts on Presidio and Brewster counties in SW Texas? Looks like beautiful country. I know there are already some like-minded folks there too...

Nye County, NV is also full of our types of people already....Ron Paul won their outright, and they brought in second place for RP for the entire state.

 

[SteveMartin]

Again, it would appear the "Free State Project" has no plan to secede....

 

[FrankRep]

Again, it would appear the "Free State Project" has no plan to secede....

I don't support seceding except an absolute last resort.

 

[SteveMartin]

I don't support seceding except an absolute last resort.

I thought we already agreed that's what the last 18 pages were about.

When Hitlery, Obama, or Bush on steroids (McCain) take over the White House, our "last resort" will have arrived.

 

[The One]

I'm happy to see someone bring up Amarillo. I live in Indiana, but I basically have a second home there. I had some relatives in the area and fell in love with the place. You get to be in wide open Texas, but still have all climates.

Maybe we could just take over the western side of Texas where like 10% of the population is located. Or just the panhandle. You have tons of groundwater and wind to provide farming and electricity. I have no doubt that the Texas panhandle area could be self-sustaining.

I live in Amarillo. I'm happy to answer any questions that I'm able to.

 

[The One]

BTW--You might want to consider that Pantex is located about 25 miles outside Amarillo. There are nuclear weapons stored there. God only knows what other kinds of crap goes on out there.