We need our own state.

[Steveco]

20,000 elected RP republicans would be a great start

Ron Paul has less than 20,000 precinct leaders... from all those voters and donors? Most people are followers, and that is ok. As long as they are following this movement.

The lady that runs our local group is awesome she is involved with both the campaign and meet up. We need her to seek local office also.

I did not sign up as a meet up member online till the one specific for elected delegates was put together after the caucus. I also did not sign up as a precinct leader online because I get tied of all the emails. I did meet with the local Ron Paul campaign that was not part of meet up(they contacted me after I donated to the campaign), pounded pavement, called and delivered my precinct for Ron Paul.

Still 20,000 is a great start that is 400 candidates per state that would be a huge part of the government, The message is contagious and spreading fast.

I hate to see people get distracted we can change this country if we keep doing what we are doing.

I am not being argumentative just trying to be optimistic.

 

[Steveco]

I do not oppose the free state project, I would just like for my neighbors and relatives to have freedom also.

 

[pinkmandy]

Then we take over our state and lead by example.

 

[tpreitzel]

I do not oppose the free state project, I would just like for my neighbors and relatives to have freedom also.

We all do, but realistically if your neighbors and relatives aren't committed enough to fight for their freedom, then maybe your friends and neighbors need to suffer more. Nobody wants to see people suffer needlessly, but many people just are too comfortably irresponsible until disaster knocks on their door. We're at the point that further delay is really too late. Yes, we need to continue to work within the current framework while preparing for the worst which will require seceding from the union... unfortunately.

 

[SteveMartin]

Pinkmandy,

YES!!

Look, I am not suggesting we quit the effort to get RP elected and to educate Americans, however, I am getting my Plan B ready....

 

[nigelwentworth]

Split Up Texas

When Texas joined the Union, there was a clause in the agreement that in the future, if so inclined, that the state may break itself up into as many as FIVE states. IF the state were broken up first, you could take one of the smaller of the five new states to form a NEW Republic of Texas!

 

[Prez22]

Well, someone tell me how we could take Texas with that population? It needs to be a state with less than 3-4 million people...

Okay..... using the Population theory, we could takeover several states out at once.

State July 2005
Alaska 663,661 - TOO COLD
Arkansas 2,779,154 - THIS COULD BE INTERESTING
Hawaii 1,275,194
Idaho 1,429,096
Maine 1,321,505
Montana 935,670
Nebraska 1,758,787
Nevada 2,414,807 - Possiblity, Mountains to the north, desert to the south
New Hampshire 1,309,940
New Mexico 1,928,384
North Dakota 636,677
Rhode Island 1,076,189
South Dakota 775,933
Texas 22,859,968 - Too Big
Utah 2,469,585
Vermont 623,050
West Virginia 1,816,856
Wyoming 509,294

Combinations

Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota 4,286,660

Maine, Vermon, New Hampshire 3,254,045

I'm in wherever this goes. I like the south but I don't see it being a possibilty, unless.... Texas, having been ruined by the NAFTA Highway someday, joins us in a combo of Texas, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota using the NAFTA Highway.

 

[FrankRep]

Pinkmandy,

YES!!

Look, I am not suggesting we quit the effort to get RP elected and to educate Americans, however, I am getting my Plan B ready....

I look at it this way:

Short Term Goal: Campaign for Ron Paul.

Long Term Goal: Create a Free State.

 

[pinkmandy]

I look at it this way:

Short Term Goal: Campaign for Ron Paul.

Long Term Goal: Create a Free State.

Amen. We can do both. My husband and I have been planning to move for awhile. We had already decided to sell the house come spring (we have a bit of equity so we can go low on the price). If we make anything (we should but if we don't we're just happy to sell it) that money goes into silver. And off we go...rent for awhile and sock away, save whatever we can.

 

[TXcarlosTX]

san antonio!!!!

spurs!! winning franchise
river walk!!! party time
steady real estate market
great weather
no tornado's
fiesta texas
sea world
border 2hrs away
state capital 45min away
I-10 and I-35 major highways run, great for commerce
taco stands!!!

 

[FrankRep]

san antonio!!!!

spurs!! winning franchise
river walk!!! party time
steady real estate market
great weather
no tornado's
fiesta texas
sea world
border 2hrs away
state capital 45min away
I-10 and I-35 major highways run, great for commerce
taco stands!!!

I love Texas.

 

[erin moore]

Personally Im not on the free state bandwagon. Im for affecting change to the extent that people are converted, so that there is a place where we can start a change in the system. change the country.

Montana. I'll just keep saying it.

Steveco- I am optimistic also. I am just trying to explain the reasons behind this porject over "everyone" running for office. people will move and vote and caccus and such, but most will not run for office themselves. Thats why I pointed ouit the numbers. They are great numbers BUT in terms of all the Ron Paul supporters out there, they number who have stood out as leaders are a monority and that will always be true. Thats not positive or negative, just an observable fact.

This is kind of like the "forget the moneybombs" idea, everyone donate when you can, all you can, etc. sure that would work if we all did it, but people rally behind an idea and a common goal.

we need our own state (as a jumping board for saving our nation)

Plase stop bringing up cities- and bring up places that we can take OVER a state legislature. that is a place with a low population where we can inject ourselves into state and national polotics in overwhelming numbers.

Montana.

 

[Diana]

Montana also might be a good choice as it's adjacent and north of Wyoming. However, we can't have too many states as we need a plurality of votes which requires bodies, probably at least 50,000 in Wyoming and 150000 in New Hampshire.

You need twice as many people as there are precincts in Wy (minus those of us already here) because PCs are the only people in WY that vote on some things (like presidential races for one) and they have to be voted in 2 years prior, or nab a vacancy. Two people per precinct to become PCs who get to vote, one male, one female, plus some people willing to vote them into the PC position, and the state's taken over completely. So, a whole lot less than 50,000, but people would have to be willing to get involved at the PC level. As much as I'd love to see you all move here and do that, it might be better for us all to get involved ourselves locally where we're at.

 

[haaaylee]

When Texas joined the Union, there was a clause in the agreement that in the future, if so inclined, that the state may break itself up into as many as FIVE states. IF the state were broken up first, you could take one of the smaller of the five new states to form a NEW Republic of Texas!

I like this idea. Form one around Austin, you'd already have the largest Ron Paul meetup group here, wouldn't be hard to join us.

 

[FrankRep]

I like this idea. Form one around Austin, you'd already have the largest Ron Paul meetup group here, wouldn't be hard to join us.

Plus with the NAFTA Superhighway being built I bet there will be a whole rebellion of people wanting to join us.

Lets not forget our Libertarian Party and Constitution Party friends in Texas

 

[Columbia Blue]

How about New Mexico? Under two million population which is not an unimportant factor when you want to take over the state legislature, elect a Governor, and send two Senators and a handful of Congressmen to Washington.

Also believe it would be far easier in a unpopulated state to buy media( i.e. radio and television stations) to spread the message........It's also far warmer than New Hampshire or Wyoming.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Let's decide which state to all move to, vote Ron Paul for President, and begin to formulate articles of secession. I'm serious...

Remember that only 3% of American males took up arms in the first revolution against King George. We've got better than 3%...

That's like saying, "we need our own mafia"

lolol

 

[erin moore]

columbia blue- youre on the right track but we need a state with proximity to Canada in stead of Mexico. (Mexica can and does allow people to be persued across its borders, Canada does not)

 

[tpreitzel]

You need twice as many people as there are precincts in Wy (minus those of us already here) because PCs are the only people in WY that vote on some things (like presidential races for one) and they have to be voted in 2 years prior, or nab a vacancy. Two people per precinct to become PCs who get to vote, one male, one female, plus some people willing to vote them into the PC position, and the state's taken over completely. So, a whole lot less than 50,000, but people would have to be willing to get involved at the PC level. As much as I'd love to see you all move here and do that, it might be better for us all to get involved ourselves locally where we're at.

Right... ideally Maybe, the various Free State Projects should hold a meeting and outline precisely the numbers required and then add enough overhead to ensure the likelihood of success for each state, i.e. New Hampshire, Wyoming, and other possibilities. Realistically, even IF we ALL get involved locally, we're still NOT the majority. With caucuses, we do better, because we can gain control with minimal manpower. With primaries, we don't do so well which is another reason why we need a free state with sufficient numbers so we ARE the voting majority and having sufficient numbers of natives on board already is honestly needed for success. Time is running out unfortunately.

 

[SteveMartin]

We could also conceivably look at the option of getting a county or several counties to secede...Wouldn't necessarily have to be a whole state.

But, the important thing is to start soon. I agree with tpreitzel. We are running out of time.