We must draft Ron Paul, starting over, not an option

[enjoiskaterguy]

Your wasting your vote argument.
If you don't vote for status quo you don't count.


I say, If you vote status quo, you get status quo.

I think you are misreading what the poster had meant. Like Ron Paul, he too is a member of the Republican Party, so if you think that party is of status-quo, then you must think that Ron Paul too, is of the same. That my friend is a double standard...maybe you didn't mean that though. My point is this...If we are to change our government, we most first work within the confines of our limits, then we will be able to expand TRUE conserative/Libertarian/Free-thinking ideals and change the system. Your rowing upstream without a paddle if you use the third party system for the most part...more if the specific area, or state is generally liberal or conservative. The campaign for Liberty sees this too. We have to use the Republican party, Get it back to its roots and spread what the REAL truths and values are to be upheld in our nation if we are to be free.

 

[torchbearer]

I think you are misreading what the poster had meant. Like Ron Paul, he too is a member of the Republican Party, so if you think that party is of status-quo, then you must think that Ron Paul too, is of the same. That my friend is a double standard...maybe you didn't mean that though. My point is this...If we are to change our government, we most first work within the confines of our limits, then we will be able to expand TRUE conserative/Libertarian/Free-thinking ideals and change the system. Your rowing upstream without a paddle if you use the third party system for the most part...more if the specific area, or state is generally liberal or conservative. The campaign for Liberty sees this too. We have to use the Republican party, Get it back to its roots and spread what the REAL truths and values are to be upheld in our nation if we are to be free.

I'm working within the GOP at the detriment of the LALP.
Get that straight.

I vote for the principled candidate, regardless of his party affiliation, and regardless of the 'he can't win' bullshit.

If you vote republican, regardless of who is running... then you are apart of the problem.

 

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

My "argument" is the way the world works. I'm not saying its a good thing, but we have to change what we can within the context of the world.

Serenity Prayer:
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference.

Ron Paul's philosophy of freedom is something we can spread, if we have the courage to. But the two-party system is something we must have the serenity to accept, at least in the short term.

wow. that is a really good piece of manipulation there. good stuff .....FOR ME TO POOP ON!

I choose to have the courage to change it and hope that my wisdom is just that and not some flawed douchebaggery.

 

[amonasro]

I think the GOP is our best chance. It's still a long shot, but we stand a better chance of our ideas getting out than with a third party. If we went third party: little to no MSM coverage, no debates, no support from current GOP members... the list goes on.

Bottom line, I think the positives outweigh the negatives. Besides I don't believe Ron even wants to run third party.

I also agree we need someone like Trevor (with his amazing email list) to start a draft Ron Paul 2012 site. Think how amazing the results would be if we started this far out.

 

[mstrmac1]

If someone can build the site.... I will fund it!!! lets get this going.

 

[FourTwenty666]

I agree with everything. Things are still not going good, Obama is not making good on many even basic promises he made, it's time for REAL CHANGE 2012.

I too believe Ron Paul is the only guy for the job. It would be such a shame that such a brilliant, articulate, and honest man could be robbed of the opportunity to be the best president we ever had.

I agree that we need to try to work with the republican party. Ron is getting on TV alot, and is becoming known, he needs to use this to his advantage. He needs to run republican 2012 the same way he did this year, go to the debates and everything, because it will be the best chance we have at getting this great man elected president. He needs to bring the republican party back to it's real roots, as everyone else has said, and stop letting the neo-cons ruin what this party once stood for!

I also agree with him not dropping out of the race just because he didn't get the republican seat, but I still think he should shoot for that at first.

 

[Suzu]

I say, Ron Paul 2012

 

[Pauls' Revere]

The reality is we have a two-party system. It may not be ideal, but like it or not that's what we have to work with. And the Republican Party is where most of our core values stand so this movement must remain a Republican movement. End of story. Everything else is just a waste of time.

Alright, so is the Republican Party a.k.a. the GOP ready to nominate Ron Paul? This is the same party which refused him a speaking role at the convention labelled him a kook, marginalized his base, pulled the plug on his delegates, is berated by every GOP mouthpiece (Rush etc...) let alone the state level shenanigans which occured on vote counts. The GOP has flatly rejected Ron Paul and his supporters. They will not endorse or support him because doing so will be an admission that they (the GOP) made a huge mistake backing McCain. This they will NOT do. It would be a flat out admission that the entire platform they are running on is similar to the Democrats because Ron Paul's platform exposes the exact likeless in which the two party system runs upon. Both parties like big government but spend it on what they like. That threatens them and thier livlihood which they will not give up. Personnally, I'd like to see Ron Paul do a third party run, I've had it with the GOP & Dems.

 

[FourTwenty666]

Alright, so is the Republican Party a.k.a. the GOP ready to nominate Ron Paul? This is the same party which refused him a speaking role at the convention labelled him a kook, marginalized his base, pulled the plug on his delegates, is berated by every GOP mouthpiece (Rush etc...) let alone the state level shenanigans which occured on vote counts. The GOP has flatly rejected Ron Paul and his supporters. They will not endorse or support him because doing so will be an admission that they (the GOP) made a huge mistake backing McCain. This they will NOT do. It would be a flat out admission that the entire platform they are running on is similar to the Democrats because Ron Paul's platform exposes the exact likeless in which the two party system runs upon. Both parties like big government but spend it on what they like. That threatens them and thier livlihood which they will not give up. Personnally, I'd like to see Ron Paul do a third party run, I've had it with the GOP & Dems.

Very true. But do you not think that by 2012 that the repubs won't be even a little willing to admit their mistakes and bring the party back to its roots with Dr. Paul? Can you imagine what that would do for our country and the republican party if they managed to push real republican ideals with Dr. Paul and brought the party back to what it stands for and what some still claim it stands for?

I mean I hear people on Fox News all the time talking about bringing the party back to its roots. Sean Hannity even said something on TV today about bringing the party back to its real conservative roots. I know what he says is worth pretty much about the same as what comes out of my anus, but, still its a start and if it can be done, and if the repubs decide to give Ron more coverage and start acting like they really wanna be real conservatives, then it would be a good thing.

You would think after losing to Obama so terribly and having such a terrible candidate who was pretty much mocked the whole campaign, it would be obvious they need to make these changes. The simple outcome of this election already proved how stupid they were and how wrong they are in their current views. It shows the public wasn't buying it.

 

[PureCommonSense]

He MUST run as a Republican again. That is the only strategy worth considering in that regard. Maybe then do a third party campaign if the GOP nominee is terrible.

Ron Paul is currently the only guy who can represent the ideas of Liberty in the same way we're used to. Some new faces are emerging, but they do not have the same recognition yet. I thought that Bob Barr might have been a new symbol in the last general election and garnered at least 5-10% of the vote, but unfortunately people did not unite decisively behind him.

 

[fedup100]

We need to get it sorted out right now before they take over his r3volution.

 

[RickyJ]

Agreed.

Although Bruno I couldn't even keep up with RP in Iowa. Him not working his ass off is a misconception and I'm not sure how it got started.

I was tired following him around at all the different places in Iowa and I didn't have to stand for hours at a time giving speeches.

He is a hard worker, it was his campaign staff that seemed to drop the ball. He was responsible for them.

 

[PureCommonSense]

We need to go hard out in NH this time. The reason I heard from a legitimate political strategist that he did not do well in NH in 2008 is that he did not spend enough time there, as the other candidates did. Thats what you gotta do to win in New Hampshire!

 

[idiom]

He needs a lot more high profile surrogates this time. He needs endorsements. The Gop is getting pretty desperate this time around.

All in all we are better organised. It is time to start the three year campaign. We go in and use the 2010 elections to springboard directly into 2012. We puch Congressional replacements as "Ron Paul" Republicans, and have an excuse to start sticking his name everywhere right now.

Freedom Can Save Us. Ron Paul 2012!

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Very true. But do you not think that by 2012 that the repubs won't be even a little willing to admit their mistakes and bring the party back to its roots with Dr. Paul? Can you imagine what that would do for our country and the republican party if they managed to push real republican ideals with Dr. Paul and brought the party back to what it stands for and what some still claim it stands for?

I mean I hear people on Fox News all the time talking about bringing the party back to its roots. Sean Hannity even said something on TV today about bringing the party back to its real conservative roots. I know what he says is worth pretty much about the same as what comes out of my anus, but, still its a start and if it can be done, and if the repubs decide to give Ron more coverage and start acting like they really wanna be real conservatives, then it would be a good thing.

You would think after losing to Obama so terribly and having such a terrible candidate who was pretty much mocked the whole campaign, it would be obvious they need to make these changes. The simple outcome of this election already proved how stupid they were and how wrong they are in their current views. It shows the public wasn't buying it.

I see your point. I hear them speak as well but frankly I'm not buying it. If they are indeed sincere about changing the GOP (assuming it's worth it) then the GOP needs to give the boot to it's leadership and that's just for starters. I honestly see very little "change" (ugh I used that word) as in the recent election of Steele as the RNC chair. Not to mention all the regular players are still there, Hannity, O'Riely, Rush, Coulter, Lara, et al. They want a new face but one which they can mold. To that end I think it would be a mistake for Ron Paul to stick with a party which has deviated so far from what it is suppose to represent not unlike our government, yes? If he bolted and went independent or third I think it would boost his stance by the fact that he will always stand on principle rather than politics. IF Ron Paul decided to run as a GOP candidate he also has to carry around the eight years of baggage left by George Bush which we all know single handedly nearly destroyed the GOP. Dr Paul would be enetering a campaign having to defend the GOP and the BS of the Bush years and try to get the freedom message across to millions of voters. A double wammy! I think it would be easier and probably serve just as well vote turnout wise if he ran Independent. If you mention third party people freak out but are more friendly to the Independent label for whatever reasons. Who knows after the BS from Obama most Americans are going to be ready for the Independent Party, or perhaps the Libertarians.

 

[Beanie_N]

The GOP leadership is the problem. As a lifelong Republican, I had always believed the party was based on consrvative/libitarian principles but now I am seeing that with the current leadership, it does not. Anyways, it is the leadership that is the problem, not the party itself.

I guarantee you that up to 90% of the conserative base will vote for Paul if he is doing well, and the leadership will be forced to change to fit the base. If he is not nominated though, he should run third party and get like 10-15% of the vote.

The conservative base is hungry for a change in the party regardless of the leadership. I honestly believe he has a good shot at winning the nomination if he does it right, and we need to start now. We need a website soon, too.

We also need a cool logo. Like a spade, or two muskets crossed.

 

[jake]

agreed. Paul or bust in 2012.

 

[eok321]

 

[Badger Paul]

Agreed. I know he'll be 76 by 2012 but no one else right now either can fill Paul's role nor keep us united like him. Otherwise we'll be split into different candidacies once again like last fall. If he's got one more left in him he should give it a shot. Maybe he doesn't beat Obama but at least he could change American politics.

 

[ARealConservative]

Agreed.

Although Bruno I couldn't even keep up with RP in Iowa. Him not working his ass off is a misconception and I'm not sure how it got started.

I was tired following him around at all the different places in Iowa and I didn't have to stand for hours at a time giving speeches.

he visited the state of Iowa about 1/10 as often as the others. The furthest East he got was Iowa City and he completely ignored the second largest market in Iowa.

He spent a ton of money in the last week...too late to gain any real buzz.

I posted a link over a year ago that dotted a map of all the campaign visits. That link showed with no uncertainty that Ron Paul was the least active candidate by far.