We may have lost the battle, but we are winning the war!

ChrisDixon said:
We've had the RNC rig the game, steal the show, and invalidate all of our hard work that many begun long before the 2012. Many people are discouraged. Why?

I've had it on my mind a lot lately, what do we do from here? It would be so easy to run, and many are prepared to jump ship on the Republican Party now. Admittedly, I've seriously considered it too. The RNC doesn't care about us. But they're not winning.

I had a high up GOP leader here pull me aside the other night after a replacement delegate nearly blew a blood vessel for people being upset with him. This individual told me that the old guard are all waiting until after the election for us to leave, they all expect it and they're merely laying low until they can come back in and retake their old positions. He pleaded with me not to leave and others to not as well. I heard the same thing at the State Convention as time went on and it became increasingly clear what the score was: we're only here for the man, once the man is gone, we will be, too.

But it's more than a man. It's a message. And if this is truly the case, then we're not going anywhere.

The RNC won this battle by successfully thwarting the nomination of Congressman Ron Paul and preventing a speaking spot. They won.

BUT, they're losing the war. When a local supporter the other night said it wasn't worth it, I told him to wait. In November, as a result of the great divide spawned by the infighting and the tactics by the RNC and Romney campaign, there will be heavy losses. The GOP will lose ground in the U.S. House, fail to capture the Senate, and will lose the Presidency hard like in 2008. That will be our victory, as we show our strength.

From there, we continue on retaking the Republican Party. If we bow out now, they all come back in and retake one of the two major parties and now have a powerhouse to enact their big government, warmongering policies. Even if we're not advancing our goals, we're complicating theirs, and that should be enough to keep moving forward.

Nobody said this was going to be easy. Nobody said this was going to happen over night. And it certainly isn't going to be solved in a single election cycle.

Do it for Ron. Ron Paul fought for three decades as a one man minority among hundreds of tyrants and was the laughing stock of Congress. He was a lunatic, a nut job, an outcast. Did he ever give up his fight for freedom? It all eventually paid off.

I plead with you all to stay the course within the Republican Party. I'm not asking you to vote for Romney, go for whomever. But as far as your party activism for the future goes, we can't let the neoconservatives take back sole control of the GOP. Or else we all lose.

Onward, for liberty!

"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as freedom should not be highly rated."
-Thomas Paine
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"what do we do from here?"

Wreck the convention.

I'm not discouraged. (I knew that winning 0 primaries meant a loss, unless Romney vanished)

I'm pissed. They cheated. They stole our delegates.

We need to figure out a way to DETER them from doing it again.
If they know we can wreck the convention, they won't steal our delegates again.

So, we have to wreck the convention.

I mentioned it before in another thread.

1) At some point, stop mentioning Ron Paul. This could be going in, this could be after Romney is officially the nominee, and all you have left to do is be unhappy. Screaming Ron Paul, or End the Fed, or whatever sort of ProLiberty message you want to get out there, isn't going to be helpful after Romney is the nominee. And not
before either, really, unless the circumstances really call for it. But, certainly, blurting out Ron Paul will only cause people to say "Ron Paul supporters are immature and prone to outbursts." They think that already.

2) After you stopped with the Ron Paul stuff, put on the Romney stuff. Pretend to be a Romney supporter. And say weird, embarrassing things. "I hate poor people, so does Romney. Good for him. Yeah I'm a Romney supporter. You do this to a video camera in the context of an interview. It could be CNN, or it could be one of us. It could go to millions of people "Romney supporters are real jerks" people will think. And that's not quite the infomercial Romney wants. We can also put this footage on Youtube. Youtube Title: Romney Supporter at RNC: "I hate poor people" And we then Share to facebook. If the Ron Paul supporters, sitting at home all knew what was coming, and what they were supposed to do with it, and they all did, or many did, we could really shape the perception of the RNC and Romney. In that way "wrecking" the convention. In a kinda "it would've been better if we didn't steal the delegates" way. People have argued that Ron Paul said we shouldn't be disruptive.
There is nothing disruptive about this. It makes the medias job easier. We are helping fill their cameras with stuff. The jibber jabber of the rinos will take place without hoots and hollers from us. We're focused on quietly talking, and filming us talking, as Romney supporters, who are the worst stereotype of Romney and the Romney supporters. No one should say Ron Paul said not to do this. This is having fun.

3) Although being disruptive is not the primary focus, the time to be disruptive is during Romney's speech. Remember, nothing Ron Paul related. There's no - "everyone will magically change their minds when I yell Ron Paul" happening. Ron Paul is best served not being a part of this at all. This is people yelling. And chants. And yes, that's disruptive, and Ron Paul said don't be disruptive. But there are changed conditions. He said don't be disruptive before the RNC (this is their convention) started
taking away our delegates because they'd vote wrong. Before they did that, it was harder to say we were fully morally justified in being disruptive. Now, I think we are.
We really HAVE to respond. We really have to DETER them from doing that to us or any Conservative again. And being disruptive would do that.
The purpose of the chant is for the chant to be funny, and also a damning stereotype. The equivalent of booing the golden rule like at the South Carolina debate.
I like "4 More Wars" "Is - ra - el", don't have any others, but it would be FUN to think them up. Solo shouts could be simple insults. "YOU SUCK" would be extremely funny when he's talking about something really heartwarming, or sad, or emotional. I mean, I can see it. "The one time I really felt a great pain of loss" "YOU SUCK".
You I could mix it up, nasty chants, funny chants, nasty shouts funny shouts. This is something we wouldn't have to decide about doing until right before.
 
runamuck said:
You just keep on dreaming. Meanwhile I'll be standing with the party that is promoting the true philosophy of liberty and voting for Gary Johnson
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Oh, I assume that a lot of the "stay with the Republican Party types" will be voting for Gary Johnson. There just isn't any point to joining the LP. The ideological purity of a candidate that won't win is not that important to me. As long as there are enough libertarians to get the candidates for the major offices on the ballot, whoever the LP picks as a protest vote would be fine with me.

You're either fighting for something valuable, or strolling in to something which really has so far been worthless. More candidates with no party at all win elections than Libertarians do. The probable next Maine US Senator is a pure I, not affiliated with any party. And the Libertarian US Senate nominee in Maine, well, he's not going to win.

On the other hand, it'd be fun to be in control of the Libertarian Party. Picking candidates and such. I'd be a little more concerned with getting votes, and much less concerned about ideological purity. I could be on the "getting popular rock stars to run" committee. Someone else could find athletes perhaps? Ex athletes? Maine doesn't have the sports teams. I I'd Dead Season, Ian Truman especially as a good candidate. His band is big in Maine, has been for years, they play almost entirely in Maine.

Phish has 575,837 facebook likes (Jon Fishman, the drummer, lives in Northport, ME)
Angus King has 31,811 facebook likes
Dead Season has 6,321 facebook likes
Charlie Summers has 1960 facebook likes
Cynthia Dill has 896 facebook likes
Andrew Ian Dodge has 230 facebook likes

Ian Truman, the lead singer of Dead Season would be an upgrade over Dodge.

Jon Fishman would've beaten us and gotten the Maine delegates at the Convention.
You think there aren't 1119 Phish fans who live in Maine, could register Republican, go to a caucus, go to a convention,
and vote for the drummer of Phish? Those are some pretty dedicated fans they have.

Romney vs 50 Rock Stars from 50 states.
Getting 50 rock stars onboard might be difficult. I don't know 50 rock stars from 50 states. I don't even know who they'd be.
But that would be quite something, wouldn't it? But 50/50 works best within the context of primaries in parties that can win, that's
D and R.

It really should be a no brainer to have any popular well known person be the nominee. 230 Facebook likes isn't a whole lot
6,321 is 20 or 30 times more. So, right off the bat you have the potential for a lot of votes without doing much of anything.
These lead singers have good strong voices, charismatic, used to dealing with crowds, lead singers are usually the most famous as well.
They talk to large crowds comfortably all the time, between songs. How you doin Portland! Raaaah. No one from the Libertarian
Party should object to this. No one is on the fence about AID based on ideological purity. Most have no idea who he is. And I really
can't see a way for him to get better known. In this race, the Democrat is polling in single digits.
 
Wish I could +100 reps to the OP. Great post!! I absolutely agree. Time to dig in the heels. Time for payback. Time to keep taking out the garbage.

The only way to get control of the beast is to stay on its back no matter how hard it tries to buck you off. And if it bucks you off, you get up, and jump back on, and you stay on until eventually it has no fight left.
 
You can't win by fighting within the system at the national level. The system will prevail every time. It's set up by design with purpose and on purpose to not allow the people to rule. The fact that some can't see it is very scary.

Screw the GOP. They hate you and don't want you. The GOP has made that very clear. Sorry folks, it's the truth.

The GOP has already started to co-opt our message "rhetorically" just like they co-opted the Tea Party. I totally predicted it. The writing is on the wall. If some of you think you have to be stuck with the GOP, then have at it. Many of us are done with the GOP at the national level and strive for much better.

Remember, it's the system and the system needs to be shocked from the outside.
 
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At least it will be somewhat interesting to see the rules get changed to such a degree that even people seeking to oppose liberty will find themselves locked out of their own positions.
 
Liberty74 said:
You can't win by fighting within the system at the national level. The system will prevail every time. It's set up by design with purpose and on purpose to not allow the people to rule.
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Irrational defeatism. The GOP consists of people. The current crop will struggle to maintain power, just as anyone would. But they are not infinitely powerful deities. They can be outnumbered, out-maneuvered. Their defense tactics, which we see, is proof that our movement is a potential threat.

Keep on the pressure!
 
Great post. I know the party has pulled a lot of dirty tricks to minimize our impact, and frankly I'm not sure why they went to such lengths to slight us since we were never close to a national majority. All they've done, I think, is make us more determined than ever. I don't think we should interpret their actions as indicating we were close to winning the nomination. Regardless of our great organization and our wins in a number of states, the base just isn't ready (yet) to accept all of the assumptions that underpin our message. More are coming around and I believe as long as we keep promoting our message, and as long as the economy continues to sputter and vindicate our assertions about the consequences of big government, we will continue to accumulate support. But this is a process that takes time; more than a presidential election cycle or two. I think we need to be positive about the growth of the movement over the past 8 years and now work on our next steps. Without Ron running for president we need to find new voices who can get media exposure and continue to make our case on the national stage.

Regarding the discussion of political parties, I still believe we can wrest power from the Republicans by filling state and local party organizations. Leadership can only insulate itself so much from the rank and file, and this will only work as long as they retain a strong majority. As we erode the establishment majority the leadership, rules, and platform will be exposed to reform. It may not be sexy, but it is proving to be effective.
 
CapitalistRadical said:
Irrational defeatism. The GOP consists of people. The current crop will struggle to maintain power, just as anyone would. But they are not infinitely powerful deities. They can be outnumbered, out-maneuvered. Their defense tactics, which we see, is proof that our movement is a potential threat.

Keep on the pressure!
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Amen! The immortality factor applied to the GOP is dumbfounding. Sure, they have the power right now. But they are struggling, after what? A couple years of preparation? Just wait until what we can do now that we're a full blown machine.

Don't forget the age factor. How many of young people are in this movement? Doesn't take too long to wait the old guard out...
 
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