"We can't find qualified employees"

[tttppp]

This is not a "company." This is an opportunity to make more money by being involved in longer, more detailed projects. Most people lose interest and move on to other things, or leave projects unfinished, which only really hurts them. This is why I will never officially make it a company and hire people.

What type of project is it? I've never really had that become a major problem.

 

[MelissaWV]

What type of project is it? I've never really had that become a major problem.

Proofreading projects suffer from this kind of problem on a regular basis.

It doesn't seem like I'm alone in having this experience, since a few others have expressed similar frustrations in other fields.

 

[tttppp]

Proofreading projects suffer from this kind of problem on a regular basis.

It doesn't seem like I'm alone in having this experience, since a few others have expressed similar frustrations in other fields.

The only real instances where I've seen this is where it is caused by bad management. When employees are held accountable, they usually do their job. When they are allowed to get away with anything, thats usually what they'll do. Thats my experience. I don't know the details of everyone else.

 

[MelissaWV]

The only real instances where I've seen this is where it is caused by bad management. When employees are held accountable, they usually do their job. When they are allowed to get away with anything, thats usually what they'll do. Thats my experience. I don't know the details of everyone else.

You should count yourself lucky, or perhaps your experiences are with larger companies.

 

[tttppp]

You should count yourself lucky, or perhaps your experiences are with larger companies.

One of them was large. The other was very small.

 

[specsaregood]

The only real instances where I've seen this is where it is caused by bad management. When employees are held accountable, they usually do their job. When they are allowed to get away with anything, thats usually what they'll do. Thats my experience. I don't know the details of everyone else.

so what do you use? a paddle? some good old school corporal punishment? does that raise your insurance rates? the people in this thread already said the fire them when they fail at their job, what more can you do to hold them accountable?

good workers are hard to find, you gotta hold out for the ones that are hungry.

 

[tttppp]

so what do you use? a paddle? some good old school corporal punishment? does that raise your insurance rates? the people in this thread already said the fire them when they fail at their job, what more can you do to hold them accountable?

good workers are hard to find, you gotta hold out for the ones that are hungry.

As long as you demand results from employees, the vast majority of them with do what they are supposed to do, and will continue to improve as time goes on. The only major instances I've seen where employees slack off over time is when they are not held accountable and not asked to do anything. There are exceptions, but they are a small minority. For the most part, if you do you're job as a manager, you'll have great employees. If you don't, you'll have crappy employees.

 

[tttppp]

As long as you demand results from employees, the vast majority of them with do what they are supposed to do, and will continue to improve as time goes on. The only major instances I've seen where employees slack off over time is when they are not held accountable and not asked to do anything. There are exceptions, but they are a small minority. For the most part, if you do you're job as a manager, you'll have great employees. If you don't, you'll have crappy employees.

I disagree that good workers are hard to find. Most employees are at least decent. Great employees can be hard to find. Only a small percentage of people are really capable of excelling.

 

[specsaregood]

I disagree that good workers are hard to find. Most employees are at least decent. Great employees can be hard to find. Only a small percentage of people are really capable of excelling.

Yes, well it seems we have different standards.

 

[DamianTV]

No, what the Employers want is fucking PhD's in 28 subjects and to pay those people minimum wage, and less when they can scam a way to do it. This is what happens in an employers market. There is nothing really wrong with the employees. There is something wrong with setting the bar unrealisticly high.

When CompUSA was still in business, I was denied a job because I didnt have a 4 year college education for a minimum wage tech job. I had another job at the time but wanted to supplement my income, and this asshat pretty much told me that 4 years in the military and a year and a half of education focused on electronic engineering was as good as being a preschool dropout. I nearly took his head off, but did manage to get permanently banned from the property.

 

[thequietkid10]

My dad talks about his job at one of the large local manufacturers. He makes specialized drill bits for the company. He and his department doesn't have a traditional boss, and the people who do supervise him don't know how long it takes to make a drill bit so some of his co-workers can abuse the system and get by by doing a lot less work, then they really should.

I work third shift at the same place and my boss spends an hour after our lunch (6 hour shifts) taking with her favorite cleaner. I also see people take a lot of naps who work at the machines. This company is wildly successful.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

You know it. It's always amazing how the H1-B body shops can provide candidates that exactly match the Req.

Ladder climbers like H1B workers because they can easily be threatened into doing whatever is wanted. I've seen it happen to foreign friends. It's uglier than you can imagine (unless you've been there like I have).

 

[paulbot24]

No, what the Employers want is fucking PhD's in 28 subjects and to pay those people minimum wage, and less when they can scam a way to do it. This is what happens in an employers market. There is nothing really wrong with the employees. There is something wrong with setting the bar unrealisticly high.

When CompUSA was still in business, I was denied a job because I didnt have a 4 year college education for a minimum wage tech job. I had another job at the time but wanted to supplement my income, and this asshat pretty much told me that 4 years in the military and a year and a half of education focused on electronic engineering was as good as being a preschool dropout. I nearly took his head off, but did manage to get permanently banned from the property.

Incredible. Similar everything and I even managed to get sued for remotely sending a global email explaining the incompetency in the department to all because the VP said the email was "threatening." This email was not threatening. The only thing threatened was my boss's job security when people realized why everything seemed to take so long. Lost the lawsuit. Of course, he was fired months later, but that doesn't change anything at that point now does it?

 

[tttppp]

No, what the Employers want is fucking PhD's in 28 subjects and to pay those people minimum wage, and less when they can scam a way to do it. This is what happens in an employers market. There is nothing really wrong with the employees. There is something wrong with setting the bar unrealisticly high.

When CompUSA was still in business, I was denied a job because I didnt have a 4 year college education for a minimum wage tech job. I had another job at the time but wanted to supplement my income, and this asshat pretty much told me that 4 years in the military and a year and a half of education focused on electronic engineering was as good as being a preschool dropout. I nearly took his head off, but did manage to get permanently banned from the property.

That pretty much seems like the job market today. These companies basically want the CEOs of a multi-billion dollar corporations to come in and scrub their toilets for free. Anyone lower than CEO is just not good enough to scrub toilets.

 

[Anti Federalist]

+rep to the OP for this thread.

 

[thequietkid10]

I think the real question is what can the liberty agenda do to help. I think the average american is afraid that in a freer society it would be even more of an employers market.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I think the real question is what can the liberty agenda do to help. I think the average american is afraid that in a freer society it would be even more of an employers market.

Perhaps, in a real free society, you would work for yourself instead of as a wage slave?

 

[Yieu]

As long as you demand results from employees, the vast majority of them with do what they are supposed to do, and will continue to improve as time goes on. The only major instances I've seen where employees slack off over time is when they are not held accountable and not asked to do anything. There are exceptions, but they are a small minority. For the most part, if you do you're job as a manager, you'll have great employees. If you don't, you'll have crappy employees.

I have noticed this as well. A meal is a great motivator. If the employees know that results are demanded of them, they produce or they leave the company.

 

[rockerrockstar]

As with most complex issues, there are multiple factors involved when companies say that they "can't find qualified employees". This article addresses automated resume screening software.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304821304577436172660988042.html

I agree with the OP. What I have noticed is that Engineering jobs are a lot like that. Most HR are looking for someone that all ready did the job. Every Engineering job is different. Thus, they can't find qualified people. It is their own fault. It makes it real hard for the job seeker too.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I've seen it happen to foreign friends. It's uglier than you can imagine (unless you've been there like I have).

It depends on what kind of abuse you are talking about. I have never engaged in or witnessed violations of labor law, but there are plenty of stories about people on work visas being told to write less hours on their time cards than they are actually working. For instance, they can only write 40 hours per week but are expected to work 60. The abuses I have witnessed are more of personal harassment nature, and I have never witnessed an American manager engaging in this. Part of this is a cultural difference, and part of it is witnessing the caste system in action. An Indian tech worker confided that it is the Indian managers who do most of the abusing, and that they feel lucky if they can work for an American. That (situation) is almost unheard of anymore, as most of the direct management is now Indian. The American motivation is just executives and bean counters who believe (often wrongly) that they get more for their money by hiring people on visas or outsourcing. Interestingly enough, I have noticed managers from both Canada and the Netherlands who tended to be pretty abusive of employees. It varies. People are individuals no matter what culture they come from, but it is interesting to observe the differences and misinterpretations that occur.