Water Vapor is 97% of Greenhouse Gases on Earth; Man's CO2 is 1% !!!

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

It's not the "percentage" that is important.

When you have a system at equilibrium, a change to that system, even if small, has the ability to disturb the equilibrium and potentially create unwanted changes.

To put it in layman's terms, its the "straw that broke the camel's back" idea. The camel may have been successfully carrying 970 pounds of goods on his back (think of that as the "water vapor")- but if you toss a 1 lb bale of straw (think of that as anthropogenic CO2) on it's back, the camel might not be able to carry the load. That last little bit of straw was enough to screw things up, even though that straw was a tiny percentage of the weight the camel was carrying.

Scientists and people can discuss/argue the effect that the straw we call "man-made CO2" has on the system, but discussing percentages is irrelevant.

The reason anthropogenic (man-made) greenhouse gases (including CO2) are a hot topic is that WE CAN CONTROL THEM. We can't control the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere (nor can we control natural sources of CO2), but we can control our CO2 output.

Once you understand the problem, then you can better discuss what should be done about it (if anything).

Geological record shows plainly that CO2 levels lag by 100 to 200 years behind global temperature changes. In other words, historically, FIRST a global temperature change occurs, and 100 to 200 years later CO2 level changes. So CO2 is NOT the global temperature driver, quite the opposite.

Secondly, geological record also show that CO2 levels used to be 10 times what they are now, and it corresponded with great increase in vegetation and plant life. So, far from being a global killer CO2 is a life giving gas for the plants!

Thirdly, in light of these facts, your “straw that broke the camel’s back” argument makes no sense at all; and to build on this argument an economy and freedom destroying policies, that will reasonably result in death and starvation of hundreds of millions of people is no less than criminal!

Man-made Global worming scam is a ploy to:

1) Destroy liberty the world over and to establish a global dictatorship
2) Depopulate the earth by starving hundreds of millions of people.
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Do you want to be a part of that based on illogical and contradictory claims that latest global temperature changes (including freezing in Mexico) are caused by man made CO2?

The science of this claim is wrong and compromised, the morality behind the scam is criminal. Let’s use true science and liberty instead!

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

New Jersey withdraws from 10-state "climate pact" that is slated to implement cap-and-trade policies. [Bravo! Now, for the other 9.]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/27/nyregion/christie-pulls-nj-from-greenhouse-gas-coalition.html?_r=1


from http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Prof. Horst Malberg: Climate Change At Most 10% Because Of CO2 – Dominated by The Sun

http://www.prisonplanet.com/prof-ho...10-because-of-co2-–-dominated-by-the-sun.html

 

[Teaser Rate]

It's not a 1:1 ratio. The ocean doesn't absorb all the extra carbon. The extra carbon dioxide in the water can also lead to more acidity in certain areas, and damage things like coral reefs.

I really hope most people aren't getting their global warming information from this forum.

In my experience, more information alone won't change anyone's mind about the subject of Climate Change, people are going to continue to believe what they want to believe no matter what evidence you can show them.

 

[amy31416]

In my experience, more information alone won't change anyone's mind about the subject of Climate Change, people are going to continue to believe what they want to believe no matter what evidence you can show them.

Pretty rare that I agree with you, but being pretty familiar with the butterfly effect, it's obvious and inevitably true that human activity has an effect on the environment. How detrimental that is or isn't is quite debatable though. Same with the solutions.

I'm a pretty serious free market person, but the deforestation of the rain forest is tragic on so many levels. It's one of those issues that I don't have some great libertarian response for.

 

[Sam I am]

for body temperature, 98.6 degrees is normal, and 104 degrees warrants a trip to the hospital.

The point is, that small changes can mean a whole lot.

Generally, a majority of researchers agree that emissions contribute to global warming which counts for about half a degree every several years, which might not seem like a lot, but it does matter.

 

[acptulsa]

Must be time to blow up some dams, then. And as humid a sauna as it is around here today, and as many of the old folks have told me that this region used to have a 'dry heat' in the summer, I'm more than ready.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]"...A crucial means of establishing and maintaining this domination is by co-opting, by bringing within the ruling elite, the opinion-moulding classes in society. These opinion-moulders are the professional shapers of opinion: theorists, academics, journalists and other media movers and shakers, script writers and directors, writers, pundits, think-tankers, consultants, agitators, and social therapists. There are two essential roles for these assorted and proliferating technocrats and intellectuals: to weave apologies for the statist regime, and to help staff the interventionist bureaucracy and to plan the system.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The keys to any social or political movement are money, numbers, and ideas. The opinion-moulding classes, the technocrats and intellectuals supply the ideas, the propaganda, and the personnel to staff the new statist dispensation. The critical funding is supplied by figures in the power elite: various members of the wealthy or big business (usually corporate) classes."

Rothbard


...And scientists are some how magically immune to these political forces...? The climate has always been changing, we survive it and will continue to do so by adopting unfettered capital accumulation, not more government. In fact, the government burdens those who are trying to adapt by taking their very means to do so.
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A very important point. This is why federal funding for arts and sciences exists.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Pretty rare that I agree with you, but being pretty familiar with the butterfly effect, it's obvious and inevitably true that human activity has an effect on the environment. How detrimental that is or isn't is quite debatable though. Same with the solutions.

I'm a pretty serious free market person, but the deforestation of the rain forest is tragic on so many levels. It's one of those issues that I don't have some great libertarian response for.

Couldn't you and a bunch of other nature-lovers just buy up forest land and keep people off of it? Problem solved.

 

[acptulsa]

Couldn't you and a bunch of other nature-lovers just buy up forest land and keep people off of it? Problem solved.

That's almost certainly what would have to be done, considering the Northwest gets replanted and it's mainly the Brazilian rainforests which are actually disappearing.

 

[amy31416]

Couldn't you and a bunch of other nature-lovers just buy up forest land and keep people off of it? Problem solved.

Yeah...but most of those other treehuggers don't roll that way. We need more lefty libertarians for that sort of solution, and there's quite a PR campaign against libertarianism on the left. Otherwise, it's the perfect solution!

 

[DamianTV]

Kind of off topic, what what exactly do they say is wrong with Libertarianism?

 

[oyarde]

Last I checked , .2 %

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Pretty rare that I agree with you, but being pretty familiar with the butterfly effect, it's obvious and inevitably true that human activity has an effect on the environment. How detrimental that is or isn't is quite debatable though. Same with the solutions.

I'm a pretty serious free market person, but the deforestation of the rain forest is tragic on so many levels. It's one of those issues that I don't have some great libertarian response for.

I do. I learned it from Ron Paul. He said, that historically, if forest is privately owned, it is much better taken care of and replanted by the owner. Makes sense. If something is owned by the government, which sells lumber rights, no wander the forest is disappearing, because no one cares! Private ownership is a solution.

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

for body temperature, 98.6 degrees is normal, and 104 degrees warrants a trip to the hospital.

The point is, that small changes can mean a whole lot.

Generally, a majority of researchers agree that emissions contribute to global warming which counts for about half a degree every several years, which might not seem like a lot, but it does matter.

Half a degree is 100%. Human CO2 is less than 2% of that 100%!

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

A very important point. This is why federal funding for arts and sciences exists.

Federal funding for art and sciences is immoral. It is an act of legal plunder.

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

"The prestigious Times Atlas of the World, is caught fabricating images and information to sell the myth of global warming. It illustrates Greenland with 16% ice reduction while satellite images show an entirely different picture. [This book now is being used in schools to twist cheldren's minds.]" (from http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2039797/Global-warming-twisting-childrens-minds.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

The global worming will happen. The Bible predicted it. But it will NOT be cause by human made CO2! It will be caused by the Sun. The elites however wish to exploit that to destroy peoples liberty by lying about the causes of climate change.

For now, however, we have global cooling for a decade or so.

Let the truth prevail. Let Liberty triumph!

 

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

 

[reillym]

Except for that little thing that happens when we have too much water vapor... what is it called again? oh, RAIN.


98/100 climate scientists are not in a worldwide conspiracy to promote climate change, deniers. Please, that notion is more than childish, it's irresponsible. The science is settled, that is a fact. Please research before making ridiculous claims about water vapor that you have no idea about.

 

[ds21089]

Except for that little thing that happens when we have too much water vapor... what is it called again? oh, RAIN.


98/100 climate scientists are not in a worldwide conspiracy to promote climate change, deniers. Please, that notion is more than childish, it's irresponsible. The science is settled, that is a fact. Please research before making ridiculous claims about water vapor that you have no idea about.

Who are these "climate scientists"? Government-paid scientists? A bullshitted number to serve an agenda? Is there a verified list of well-known scientists that say this is the case?

It's not hard for the government to lie.. And as far as the "worldwide conspiracy" part... U.N... Bilderberg. Two meetings where rich from all over the world join together. You don't think the leaders could easily conspire to preach this agenda to their country? Think outside the box.