Watch what Happens when a Pair of Girls Open-Carry in a Walmart

[Sam I am]

@ 4:30: businesses have a right to refuse someone? Does that mean that a business can discriminate against someone because they're exercising their Constitutional 2nd Amendment right?

Interesting. Well how about someone exercising their Constitutional 1st Amendment right to freedom of religion? Can businesses discriminate against them, too? I'd be interested to hear of any stories where the police are asking a person wearing a cross on a necklace, a woman wearing a burqa, a man wearing a kippa, a man in orange robes, or other religion-based issues, for their papers, giving them lectures, asking why they're being filmed, etc. because the business owner has a right to refuse someone. Can businesses also tell people to remove their religious articles or clothing?

How about someone exercising their constitutional 1st amendment right to insult and berate customers and staff or any number of things that citizens generally have a right to do

 

[AFPVet]

Welcome.. and Thank You for your service.

On the issue of "if people are alarmed".

That is their problem,, and Dispatchers need to be informed and to inform the callers that carrying a firearm is perfectly legal. And unless there is some actual crime,, police should not be involved.

Yep... all they have to ask is... "what is the person doing with the gun"? If they say, nothing... just in holster, the dispatcher should inform the caller that it is not a crime.

 

[newbitech]

Let's just step back for a moment. We know that it's part of the police ritual to ask for identification. But what is really going thru the cops head when he does this? How the hell does looking at that piece of plastic do anything in regards to any sort of "investigation"?

Like the ID is going to tell the cop if people have committed a crime? I don't know if anyone understands what I am saying, but before that ID can do anything to help in any sort of legit investigation, they would need to run the id thru a database to see who these people are.

I mean really, what does looking at the id and handing it back to them actually accomplish? It's retarded! Yes i know it's a tactic whatever, but it just looks so stupid.

 

[Acala]

Let's just step back for a moment. We know that it's part of the police ritual to ask for identification. But what is really going thru the cops head when he does this? How the hell does looking at that piece of plastic do anything in regards to any sort of "investigation"?

Like the ID is going to tell the cop if people have committed a crime? I don't know if anyone understands what I am saying, but before that ID can do anything to help in any sort of legit investigation, they would need to run the id thru a database to see who these people are.

I mean really, what does looking at the id and handing it back to them actually accomplish? It's retarded! Yes i know it's a tactic whatever, but it just looks so stupid.

You are correct. Although in this case he eventually "runs" the information. But just looking at the id seems to be more of a show of authority than anything else.

 

[Keith and stuff]

A question arose in another place I posted the video, and we were just wondering.... did anyone from WalMart ask you or your group to leave prior to the LEOs arriving?

Don't know but generally, Walmart is against open carry.

 

[devil21]

Let's just step back for a moment. We know that it's part of the police ritual to ask for identification. But what is really going thru the cops head when he does this? How the hell does looking at that piece of plastic do anything in regards to any sort of "investigation"?

Like the ID is going to tell the cop if people have committed a crime? I don't know if anyone understands what I am saying, but before that ID can do anything to help in any sort of legit investigation, they would need to run the id thru a database to see who these people are.

I mean really, what does looking at the id and handing it back to them actually accomplish? It's retarded! Yes i know it's a tactic whatever, but it just looks so stupid.

It is really important for those that open carry to know if they live in Stop and Identify states and the state laws about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_Identify_statutes (The Detention section is the most pertinent since the cop has detained you because of your gun)

Missouri is listed as a stop and identify state so a cop asking for your ID without direct suspicion of a crime is generally acceptable under state law. The other videos that you see where the open carrier refuses to show ID are usually in states without stop and identify laws and therefore the cop has no legal authority to check your ID solely on basis of open carrying (if open carry is legal in that state).

The reasons for the ID checks are to run the person through NCIC to check for felony convictions or other notations that would make possession of the gun a criminal offense, thus leading to seizure of the gun and arrest of the carrier. Of course it's also a check for warrants and other "Wanted" notations unrelated to the open carry.

In my state, there is no stop and ID law and open carry is 100% legal so I would handle that same situation differently than someone in Missouri.

 

[Acala]

It is really important for those that open carry to know if they live in Stop and Identify states and the state laws about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_Identify_statutes

Missouri is listed as a stop and identify state so a cop asking for your ID without direct suspicion of a crime is generally acceptable under state law. The other videos that you see where the open carrier refuses to show ID are usually in states without stop and identify laws and therefore the cop has no legal authority to check your ID solely on basis of open carrying (if open carry is legal in that state).

The reasons for the ID checks are to run the person through NCIC to check for felony convictions or other notations that would make possession of the gun a criminal offense, thus leading to seizure of the gun and arrest of the carrier. Of course it's also a check for warrants and other "Wanted" notations unrelated to the open carry.

In my state, there is no stop and ID law and open carry is 100% legal so I would handle that same situation differently than someone in Missouri.

That is some useful info right there brother.