Washington Times: 'Rand's camp ignoring Ron's supporters'

William Tell said:
I've pointed out before that Ron made terrible endorsements as well. But the Ron lovers who are also Rand haters do not care.
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If Ron had made endorsements of terrible candidates while other, much better candidates were still in the exact same race, I would see your point.
Which of his terrible endorsements fits this description, please?
 
William Tell said:
Unfortunately that is irrelevant at this point. Doesn't change anyone's mind. Ron's old supporters have already decided about Rand, whether they love him, hate him, or are meh about him.

I've pointed out before that Ron made terrible endorsements as well. But the Ron lovers who are also Rand haters do not care.

Bottom line. We can see the Romney thing hurt Rand with a lot of people. It is doubtful it helped him at all. This cycle has been very strange.
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For the most part, I suppose. Anecdotally, I've brought a couple drop-offs back after discussing these things. Yes, mentioning Ron's distasteful endorsements...

Anti Federalist said:
Maybe.

If he was, it was his second biggest political blunder.

The first?

"Freedom is popular".
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I hear you.

#YaPutsInUrQuartersAndTakeUrChances
 
fisharmor said:
... especially if the issue that motivates her is keeping additional brown people out of the country.
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Playing the race card is your best indictment of Trump? Backlash against the "leftist media" is what drives a lot of Trump supporters, and playing the race card only pushes them further into the Trump camp.
 
William Tell said:
I've pointed out before that Ron made terrible endorsements as well. But the Ron lovers who are also Rand haters do not care.

Bottom line. We can see the Romney thing hurt Rand with a lot of people. It is doubtful it helped him at all. This cycle has been very strange.
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Ron endorsed some questionable candidates, yes, true.

But that's not what this was about.

Ol' Marty Milquetoast Romney was as straight as a grizzly's dick.

That wasn't the point, the point was, throwing your dad under the bus to score "insider" political points.
 
Anti Federalist said:
Well, to tweak it slightly, the blunder is basing a political strategy upon it.
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I disagree as well. No matter what the political hacks say, there was stuff happening. There were old men willing to go take over conventions and get their hips broken for the trouble. There were enough people in Nevada that the insiders had to shut down the whole damned convention.

Another thing Ron said, repeatedly, is that revolutions are not won by a majority, but by a tireless minority. We had that. We had more than that. And stuff was happening as a result.

All it needed was for someone to pick up that torch and hold it. And instead he told everyone doing all that stuff exactly what you said, AF: he told them to fuck off.
 
Brian4Liberty said:
Playing the race card is your best indictment of Trump? Backlash against the "leftist media" is what drives a lot of Trump supporters, and playing the race card only pushes them further into the Trump camp.
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Well, when the focus shifts to Canadians or Australians taking our jobs and welfare, then I'll change my rhetoric.
 
fisharmor said:
I disagree as well. No matter what the political hacks say, there was stuff happening. There were old men willing to go take over conventions and get their hips broken for the trouble. There were enough people in Nevada that the insiders had to shut down the whole damned convention.

Another thing Ron said, repeatedly, is that revolutions are not won by a majority, but by a tireless minority. We had that. We had more than that. And stuff was happening as a result.

All it needed was for someone to pick up that torch and hold it. And instead he told everyone doing all that stuff exactly what you said, AF: he told them to fuck off.
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Sometimes my cynicism clouds my judgement.
 
I read this article and different emotions came to me, mainly sadness and anger. In May of this year, I was on Facebook and was on one of Rand's Facebook pages and talked with somebody who was looking for somebody who needed help with graphic designing or social media skills. I fulfill those 2. I got an inbox from one of the heads of the campaign apologizing saying that they already found somebody. I told them not to worry and asked them if there's any way I could help from abroad (living in Chile). He told me to continue to promote Rand's campaign to my friends in the USA by sending them messages explaining his message and so I decided to do so. I know it's hard to get a no but I think the response from some of these people mentioned in the article just made me sick! If the campaign told me "thank you very much but we don't need your services", I wouldn't go and stab the movement in the back and campaign for another candidate! I just hope that we can fight the media spin and comeback together! :(
 
fisharmor said:
I disagree as well. No matter what the political hacks say, there was stuff happening. There were old men willing to go take over conventions and get their hips broken for the trouble. There were enough people in Nevada that the insiders had to shut down the whole damned convention.

Another thing Ron said, repeatedly, is that revolutions are not won by a majority, but by a tireless minority. We had that. We had more than that. And stuff was happening as a result.

All it needed was for someone to pick up that torch and hold it. And instead he told everyone doing all that stuff exactly what you said, AF: he told them to fuck off.
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I'm sorry, but this stuff is basically pie-in-the-sky, and I swallowed most of it back in 2012. When you fight the establishment the way we were doing, you get roughed up and shutdown and nothing changes. Any lasting change will have to occur under more practical and gradual conditions and will involve an entire change in the culture of everyone here.

This whole "tireless minority" thing assumes that the American Revolution was a success for liberty, but a careful analysis of the early history of this country proves this to be a lie. At best, we had a brief period of relative liberty during the Articles of Confederation, but the eventual enshrining of the so-called U.S. Constitution put the so-called revolution on the road to destruction, beginning by the gradual destruction of the state churches and sovereignty of each former colony, until it was all finished when "The Union" fully prevailed in 1865.

A tireless minority in a modern American context will fast become an insane minority, and this lunatic woman who decided to back an unabashed authoritarian in Donald Trump because Rand wasn't whispering sweet nothings in her ear often enough leads me to believe that the so-called "rELOVution" was made up primarily of crazed Jacobins. I wonder who this Diana Orrick lady plans to guillotine first when her "anointed one" takes his throne?
 
fisharmor said:
It is sad. It's sad that this has to be explained so many times yet so many people here continue to not get it.

Rand's message - the message you guys have been disseminating anyway - from the very beginning has been that no candidate is perfect, you have to work through the existing process to make changes, and if you don't win, you don't get any changes made.

How is what she did not 100% in line with that message? Rand's numbers tanked almost immediately. She's had almost a whole year to see that he's not going anywhere. If the point is to give up on some principles in order to win, it makes perfect sense that she shifted over to Trump, especially if the issue that motivates her is keeping additional brown people out of the country.
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Okay. I had to read through what you were saying three times before I got it. But I got it. Basically Donald Trump looks "libertarian enough" and he's winning. So support Donald Trump. That Donald Trump isn't libertarian enough for most people doesn't matter. He's "winning." Here reaction to Rand seems to be the reaction of Jesus to the church of Laodicea. "I wish that you were either hot or cold. Since you are neither hot nor cold (winning or pure libertarian) I will spit you out of my mouth."

Mmmm....okay. Not the conclusion I would go to but....okay. I hope Ted Cruz continues to kick Trumps butt and then gets declared ineligible for being born out of the country but only after the damage done to Trump is too much for him to recover. Maybe Rand can somehow beat Rubio, Christie, Carson and Jeb.
 
Brian4Liberty said:
Money talks. Wonder if that is what happened specifically with her? Paying money for endorsements? When are the indictments coming down against the Trump campaign?
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The establishment never indicts one of their own, especially when in the act of doing them a favor.
 
Brian4Liberty said:
Money talks. Wonder if that is what happened specifically with her? Paying money for endorsements? When are the indictments coming down against the Trump campaign?
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Is it against the rules for RNC National committee members to be paid staff on, or receive contracts from, a campaign?
 
William Tell said:
Unfortunately that is irrelevant at this point. Doesn't change anyone's mind. Ron's old supporters have already decided about Rand, whether they love him, hate him, or are meh about him.

I've pointed out before that Ron made terrible endorsements as well. But the Ron lovers who are also Rand haters do not care.

Bottom line. We can see the Romney thing hurt Rand with a lot of people. It is doubtful it helped him at all. This cycle has been very strange.
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He watched what happened to his father. If he hadn't endorsed Romney, they would have howled that he was not a real Republican.
 
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