Wash Post: RP did not write The Manifesto?

[Highland]

Yes, so? There is no evidence Rockwell was the ghostwriter.

No, but the ghostwriter is a subordinate of Rockwell.

 

[gls]

No, but the ghostwriter is a subordinate of Rockwell.

Where are you getting your information...(t)Reason magazine?

http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2008/04/02/matt-welch-neocon-mouthpiece/

 

[MsDoodahs]

The anti Rockwell vermin never sleeps.

Ron isn't ditching Lew, and that chaps their ass more than anything else in the world.

 

[Highland]

Where are you getting your information...(t)Reason magazine?

http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2008/04/02/matt-welch-neocon-mouthpiece/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/01/AR2008090102461.html

 

[Highland]

The anti Rockwell vermin never sleeps.

Ron isn't ditching Lew, and that chaps their ass more than anything else in the world.

I don't think he should ditch Lew per say....Ron himself distanced himself back in SC when it all came out. I was down there at the time and doing commercials, so it is first hand information.

 

[gls]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/01/AR2008090102461.html

umm...ok...that article has nothing to do with Lew Rockwell or the newsletters. Nice try though.

 

[MsDoodahs]

Yeah, and having Lew speak today at the Rally is Ron's way of "distancing himself."

Tell it to someone who buys what you're selling.

WOO HOO LEW IS ABOUT TO SPEAK!

 

[Highland]

http://www.highlandmediaworks.com/ronpaulad/

Those were shot in SC and have been used nationally. I did write that it was my humble opinion and both of you have been rude and questioned my integrity. Unacceptable.

 

[Highland]

umm...ok...that article has nothing to do with Lew Rockwell or the newsletters. Nice try though.

It has everything to do with who is running the Institute and who works as his subordinate.

 

[MsDoodahs]

It has everything to do with who is running the Institute and who works as his subordinate.

The Kocktopus is vast and has nasty tentacles that attempt to reach even into this forum and choke off support for its enemies, and Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell are its enemies.

 

[Highland]

The Kocktopus is vast and has nasty tentacles that attempt to reach even into this forum and choke off support for its enemies, and Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell are its enemies.

I don't follow....All I am saying is that I love Ron Paul and his views....my views are only constructive critisism. We have done commercials, had original artwork created and sold for the cause at the first rally and traveled because we could do video and thought that others needed help....I think I have earned the right to say I think RP should steer clear of Rockwell and ghostwriting. that is all

 

[libertythor]

Hillary Clinton's "It Takes a Village" was ghost written, and she went out of her way to hide that fact and then refused to acknowledge it. Ron appears to have let the facts stand.

 

[llepard]

The Kocktopus is vast and has nasty tentacles that attempt to reach even into this forum and choke off support for its enemies, and Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell are its enemies.

Get off his back Millie. You may like Lew Rockwell but many of us who know the score know what he did and did not do. He could easily have protected Ron and himself but he does not have enough honor or courage to do so.

The fucking indisputable fact of the matter is that Lew Rockwell wrote or oversaw the output of newsletters that were blatantly racist, condescending and inflammatory. I have talked to multiple sources that were there. PERIOD. He may have done it for the best of reasons (fire up his base and raise money, but the fact is he did it. ) Ron Paul's name was on the top of those newsletters. We fell apart on that issue. The newsletters hurt Ron Paul and the pure message that he is selling. Now, one of Ron's weaknesses, yes he has some, is that he is loyal to a fault. So he did not saw Lew off when he clearly should have.

In my mind this movement is about principles, not people. We are all flawed, but good people when they make a mistake admit it, take blame or apologize. We did not see too much out of Mr. Lew Rockwell in that regard, which does not speak to all of the other wonderful things he has done for this movement, it just speaks to who he is and what his character is. The evidence is the message.

I think that is the point the earlier posters were trying to make.

LWL

 

[llepard]

I don't follow....All I am saying is that I love Ron Paul and his views....my views are only constructive critisism. We have done commercials, had original artwork created and sold for the cause at the first rally and traveled because we could do video and thought that others needed help....I think I have earned the right to say I think RP should steer clear of Rockwell and ghostwriting. that is all

You have earned that right and don't let Ms. Doodahs insult you or make you back down. Your points are well taken and I have had the same reaction.

 

[gls]

The fucking indisputable fact of the matter is that Lew Rockwell wrote or oversaw the output of newsletters that were blatantly racist, condescending and inflammatory.

According to "Reason" magazine and their liberal allies, you mean.

I have talked to multiple sources that were there. PERIOD.

Please feel free to name these sources if you are so certain of their veracity.

 

[llepard]

According to "Reason" magazine and their liberal allies, you mean.

Please feel free to name these sources if you are so certain of their veracity.

They are still in the Ron Paul organization. I am not going to disclose their names because I received the information in confidence. I have answered the question to my satisfaction. I suppose you have a better alternative explanation?

How do you think the newsletters got written? Huh?

 

[llepard]

According to "Reason" magazine and their liberal allies, you mean.

Did you ever print out and read the newsletters? I did. I conclude that they were racist, condescending and inflamatory. Many other reasonable people came to the same conclusion. I don't give two shits what the people at Treason magazine say.

 

[libertythor]

Did you ever print out and read the newsletters? I did. I conclude that they were racist, condescending and inflamatory. Many other reasonable people came to the same conclusion. I don't give two shits what the people at Treason magazine say.

The comments in context weren't racist. Of course the majority of those in south central LA were on welfare, of course Washington DC has a huge crime problem, and as a gay man I can say that bug chasing is a sick and disturbing trend.

Sorry but the newsletters were just fine.

 

[llepard]

The comments in context weren't racist. Of course the majority of those in south central LA were on welfare, of course Washington DC has a huge crime problem, and as a gay man I can say that bug chasing is a sick and disturbing trend.

Sorry but the newsletters were just fine.

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine.

Did you print out and read the newsletters? I wrote the author at Reason and I got a link to newsletters. I think they took it down after a while. They were pretty bad. If you did not see the source documents then please reserve comments. Thank you.

 

[gilliganscorner]

Get off his back Millie. You may like Lew Rockwell but many of us who know the score know what he did and did not do. He could easily have protected Ron and himself but he does not have enough honor or courage to do so.

The fucking indisputable fact of the matter is that Lew Rockwell wrote or oversaw the output of newsletters that were blatantly racist, condescending and inflammatory. I have talked to multiple sources that were there. PERIOD. He may have done it for the best of reasons (fire up his base and raise money, but the fact is he did it. ) Ron Paul's name was on the top of those newsletters. We fell apart on that issue. The newsletters hurt Ron Paul and the pure message that he is selling. Now, one of Ron's weaknesses, yes he has some, is that he is loyal to a fault. So he did not saw Lew off when he clearly should have.

In my mind this movement is about principles, not people. We are all flawed, but good people when they make a mistake admit it, take blame or apologize. We did not see too much out of Mr. Lew Rockwell in that regard, which does not speak to all of the other wonderful things he has done for this movement, it just speaks to who he is and what his character is. The evidence is the message.

I think that is the point the earlier posters were trying to make.

LWL

Holy fuck. If this is true, and Ron Paul was smeared by something Lou Rockwell wrote, and Lou DID NOT FUCKING STEP FORWARD and admit it, it just buried his character with me. Not that he cares....

The pro-State trolls seized on those damn newletters and lit up every post with racism slurs next to Ron Paul.

Here is an example:

Argument) Ron Paul thinks the Federal Reserve should be abolished because it is unconstitutional and confiscates our productivity via the inflation tax.
Response) Ron Paul is a racist.

Argument) All the money collected from the IRS goes to pay the debt owed to the Federal Reserve. Ron Paul thinks we should abolish the IRS and replace it with nothing. If we stopped unproductively policing the world and brought our troops home, we could easily afford to stop taxing income, return the loot government would have stolen from its rightful owners, and revived the economy, instead of giving Americans silly incentive checks.
Response) Ron Paul is a racist.

Besides, if the MSM drones can publish something Paul didn't do in 1992, I wonder why they give McCain a free pass on something he DID do in 1992:

Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain's intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days.

Actually, I don't wonder at all. McCain will support the establishment. And they give him the term "maverick". I don't know about you folks, but I thought when Paul advocated the abolition of the FED and the IRS (amongst a slew of alphabet soup departments foisted upon us by FDR's "New Deal" in response to the FED engineering the Great Depression ON PURPOSE), now that's a maverick!

The media needs to perpetrate the hallucination of a "race to the Presidency", don't they?