WARNING! Govt to Nationalize Farming and Outlaw Gardens/Organic Farming!

[dgr]

Is this the one where you can't give away the stuff you grow to friends?

now about that goverment control of the food supply

The FDA and USDA have been in a fight since last year when the FDA said cloned meat was safe for the food supply and the USDA said no it wasn't

I felt like I'm living Slovent Green. ever since Bush got testy when foreign markets didn't won't geneticly enginered food

Well I don't want any either cloned or genitic

 

[DamianTV]

Um, what is the difference between the USDA and FDA? United States Department of Agriculture and the Food and Drug Administration. Dont look at what the acronyms stand for, look at it from the perspective of the foods you eat!

For example: Sunflower Seeds. Ingredients. Sunflower Seeds, hydrogenated soybean oil, and I could continue for another 30 ingredients that I cant pronounce but if all we are being sold is Chemical Foods Inc., shouldnt these two departments basically be just one? Again, look at it from the perspective of what you eat, and tell me how exactly Dichlorotriazine (thats a chemical name for one of the Dye's used commonly in food processing) is not treated as a drug? If it were labeled Mydicinyourmouthochlorofluorochorobenzine Dioxide Hydrochloride, how is the average person supposed to know that whatever I just called that and Dichlorotriazine, between the two, which one qualifies as a drug and which one doesnt?

I guess a better point to put to this is "Oh you want to be able to be self sustaining and grow and eat your own foods? Well we cant have that. Lets outlaw anything thats not chemically treated for your own good." Yeah, I wonder how we got along for 4.6 billion years without having Big Dino Pharma. Hmm, maybe that opens up some new conspiracy theories on what wiped out the dinosaurs...

 

[GaryVSen]

are there any flyers made I could hand out locally against these bills?

 

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

Here in Minnesota, back in the early 1900's, a farmer loaded up a produce cart and and started selling his produce in St. Paul. He was arrested for peddling without a license. His defense was that since he grew the food himself, he did not need a license to sell it. That case went all the way to the Minnesota supreme court, and he was convicted! The good people of Minnesota responded by adding Article 13 section 7 to the state constitution stating in plain language that a farmer can sell his products without restrictions.

If we shut down 875, 759, 814 etc., more of this garbage will keep popping up until we are caught off guard and one eventually sneaks through. The only way we can shut this crap down for good is to go directly to the states and pass a constitutional amendment. You know the kind, "Congress shall make no law. . . " We need someone well-versed in legalspeak to draft something like this.

Considerations:
Subsistence farming is in no way under the jurisdiction of any government.
Direct farm to consumer transactions are also off-limits for government, since market forces exist to ensure public safety and there is immediate traceback if there was an incident.
Seed saving is a right and shall be protected as such.
An unsubsidized owner operated farm (not agribusiness) shall be immune from eminent domain.

I am open to feedback. Right now, we are playing defense. We need to go on the offensive. The uber-lefties that deny that The Leader wants to take their organic granola from them will totally be on board with this, and the Republicans *should* since it would mean smaller government.

 

[fedup100]

Here in Minnesota, back in the early 1900's, a farmer loaded up a produce cart and and started selling his produce in St. Paul. He was arrested for peddling without a license. His defense was that since he grew the food himself, he did not need a license to sell it. That case went all the way to the Minnesota supreme court, and he was convicted! The good people of Minnesota responded by adding Article 13 section 7 to the state constitution stating in plain language that a farmer can sell his products without restrictions.

If we shut down 875, 759, 814 etc., more of this garbage will keep popping up until we are caught off guard and one eventually sneaks through. The only way we can shut this crap down for good is to go directly to the states and pass a constitutional amendment. You know the kind, "Congress shall make no law. . . " We need someone well-versed in legalspeak to draft something like this.

Considerations:
Subsistence farming is in no way under the jurisdiction of any government.
Direct farm to consumer transactions are also off-limits for government, since market forces exist to ensure public safety and there is immediate traceback if there was an incident.
Seed saving is a right and shall be protected as such.
An unsubsidized owner operated farm (not agribusiness) shall be immune from eminent domain.

I am open to feedback. Right now, we are playing defense. We need to go on the offensive. The uber-lefties that deny that The Leader wants to take their organic granola from them will totally be on board with this, and the Republicans *should* since it would mean smaller government.

^^^^^ This and we need to jump on it pdq! We need a sticky to get this done in every state that we have forum members in that can organize and report.

Defeating these thugs can only be done on a local level, that is why the Sheriff Mack sticky is so important. Wake up people, there are so few of you that really know what is going on.

 

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

Bump for Constitutional amendment.
Seriously, I need someone else to run with this. I am about the worst person in the world to try to get this thing going. Not to mention, I don't have time. 15 or so hours of every day are dedicated to my organic farm, and I have no idea how I am even going to juggle farming and my new low-level leadership positions in the Republican party.

Help, please!

 

[malkusm]

The language of most Constitutional Amendments is rather straightforward. How about something like:

"The right of the citizens to produce food for their own consumption, or for private transaction, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States, nor by any state."

??

 

[Magicman]

Bump

 

[Objectivist]

Good, I hope it pisses off the former military farmers of America.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Here in Minnesota, back in the early 1900's, a farmer loaded up a produce cart and and started selling his produce in St. Paul. He was arrested for peddling without a license. His defense was that since he grew the food himself, he did not need a license to sell it. That case went all the way to the Minnesota supreme court, and he was convicted! The good people of Minnesota responded by adding Article 13 section 7 to the state constitution stating in plain language that a farmer can sell his products without restrictions.

If we shut down 875, 759, 814 etc., more of this garbage will keep popping up until we are caught off guard and one eventually sneaks through. The only way we can shut this crap down for good is to go directly to the states and pass a constitutional amendment. You know the kind, "Congress shall make no law. . . " We need someone well-versed in legalspeak to draft something like this.

Considerations:
Subsistence farming is in no way under the jurisdiction of any government.
Direct farm to consumer transactions are also off-limits for government, since market forces exist to ensure public safety and there is immediate traceback if there was an incident.
Seed saving is a right and shall be protected as such.
An unsubsidized owner operated farm (not agribusiness) shall be immune from eminent domain.

I am open to feedback. Right now, we are playing defense. We need to go on the offensive. The uber-lefties that deny that The Leader wants to take their organic granola from them will totally be on board with this, and the Republicans *should* since it would mean smaller government.

Wouldn't it be easier to try and petition Congress and friendly reps to do this on a national level, rather than try to start and run 50 different campaigns?

-t

 

[OptionsTrader]

As with everything the government touches (education, housing, healthcare), this can only have one outcome.

Higher food prices.

 

[LittleLightShining]

Here in Minnesota, back in the early 1900's, a farmer loaded up a produce cart and and started selling his produce in St. Paul. He was arrested for peddling without a license. His defense was that since he grew the food himself, he did not need a license to sell it. That case went all the way to the Minnesota supreme court, and he was convicted! The good people of Minnesota responded by adding Article 13 section 7 to the state constitution stating in plain language that a farmer can sell his products without restrictions.

If we shut down 875, 759, 814 etc., more of this garbage will keep popping up until we are caught off guard and one eventually sneaks through. The only way we can shut this crap down for good is to go directly to the states and pass a constitutional amendment. You know the kind, "Congress shall make no law. . . " We need someone well-versed in legalspeak to draft something like this.

Considerations:
Subsistence farming is in no way under the jurisdiction of any government.
Direct farm to consumer transactions are also off-limits for government, since market forces exist to ensure public safety and there is immediate traceback if there was an incident.
Seed saving is a right and shall be protected as such.
An unsubsidized owner operated farm (not agribusiness) shall be immune from eminent domain.

I am open to feedback. Right now, we are playing defense. We need to go on the offensive. The uber-lefties that deny that The Leader wants to take their organic granola from them will totally be on board with this, and the Republicans *should* since it would mean smaller government.

Are you on facebook? There's a group for this and I think it would be great to repost this there.

 

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

Are you on facebook? There's a group for this and I think it would be great to repost this there.

No, I am not on Facebook. I figure I waste, er, ahem! SPEND enough time here that if I joined Facebook I would never get anything done. Feel free to repost though. I really like malkusm's idea of keeping it simple; no loopholes.

 

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

Wouldn't it be easier to try and petition Congress and friendly reps to do this on a national level, rather than try to start and run 50 different campaigns?

-t

I think we can do both, sort of hedge our bets, although I have no faith in Congress to do the right thing.

 

[euphemia]

I went to a town hall meeting yesterday prepared to ask one of my senators about this legislation. I did not have the opportunity to do so because the UAW sent a busload of people who dominated the time asking the same question over and over and over.

Sorry.

 

[Margo37]

Congresswoman Rosa De Lauros husband works for Monsanto


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