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Let's face it, Gary Johnson is probably a nice guy and a fine enough candidate, but he will not crack 1% in this election. He will be like Bob Barr and Michael Badnarik before him--he will have little to no impact--and then he will move on to something else. He just doesn't have the name recognition on top of the rules that hamper 3rd Parties anyway.
 
My god there is some serious derangement on this forum. STOP THE PERSONALITY CULT. Ron is done with elections.

Most here thought that after 2008. Those that thought he might run in 2012 would have been called deranged by you then. Not only has Ron Paul himself hinted that he might run in 2016, but at the start of his rally in Tampa it was hinted that he might run in 2016 as well.
 
DailyPaul.com is an eyesore. Haven't been there in forever.

Who wants to argue all the time about a candidate who won't even get a full 1% of the vote this November?
 
Let's face it, Gary Johnson is probably a nice guy and a fine enough candidate, but he will not crack 1% in this election. He will be like Bob Barr and Michael Badnarik before him--he will have little to no impact--and then he will move on to something else. He just doesn't have the name recognition on top of the rules that hamper 3rd Parties anyway.

Yeps. Third party candidacies are totally inconsequential. Those who believe that they'll be able to "build upon" Johnson's results or campaign are going to have a rude awakening. It won't affect the 2 party system in the slightest.

Perot won 19% of the popular vote and was leading in the polls before he decided that bizarre campaign suspension. John Anderson got 7% of the popular vote. George Wallace got 45 electoral votes and 14% of the popular vote. Lasting consequences? Zero. Johnson will be lucky to get above 1% in more than one or two states. In a couple of months, nobody will remember his candidacy. Heck, most people won't even notice it.
 
DailyPaul.com is an eyesore. Haven't been there in forever.

Who wants to argue all the time about a candidate who won't even get a full 1% of the vote this November?

Well, I've liked DP. Started out there, in fact. However, if the community there doesn't like the change, maybe Josh will pick up traffic.

Better mousetrap, and all that....
 
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My god there is some serious derangement on this forum. STOP THE PERSONALITY CULT. Ron is done with elections.

It's not so much a "personality cult" as the true fact that Ron Paul has built up more goodwill and name recognition than any libertarian maybe ever. Almost everyone knows and likes Ron Paul, and it will be difficult to build up that goodwill and name recognition elsewhere.
 
The simple fact of the matter is that a site like dailypaul takes $$ to operate. Over the last few months, when I've been there, an average of about 300 users on there at any given time. Ads don't bring in nearly as much as what people might think. I would guess the bulk of his income came from subscriptions, which have been apparently decreasing each month.

He's been fairly open about wanting to rebrand the site, even asking some of the users what they would like it to be. The RP graphic at the top of the site, about a month ago he started fading it, but got a lot of backlash from the users, because the RNC hadn't happened yet.

I have been watching it get 'taken over' by several groups over the last 3-6 months. There are a persistent few who make GJ posts to the point where it was an automatic -50 within an hour of being posted. Then they began to disguise their posts/thread titles so that people would read a bit until they saw it was pushing GJ, then those would get downvoted. These people are opportunistic, and wish to recruit passionate folks on the dailypaul to go do their work for them.

The L4RP and their 'satellites' have worked the board pretty hard, too. Whenever someone would respond to them by posting the various business ventures this group operates, the poster and relevant information would vanish into the 403 hole.

The fear porn peddlers have settled in at dailypaul. I have heard from others that this is typically what happened after the last election cycle. This is by far the most profitable niche, and what I expect will become of the dailypaul.

What you see over there is a terraforming process - those who partake in this business have it down to a science, and what they want, they usually get- eventually. If they can't have dailypaul, they will suck its userbase dry and kill the site.

I suspect you have just stumbled into the path of these pros, and had a rude awakening. Welcome to the wild West.
 
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Most here thought that after 2008. Those that thought he might run in 2012 would have been called deranged by you then. Not only has Ron Paul himself hinted that he might run in 2016, but at the start of his rally in Tampa it was hinted that he might run in 2016 as well.

Ron will be 81 years old.
 
Well, I've liked DP. Started out there, in fact. However, if the community there doesn't like the change, maybe Josh will pick up traffic.

Better mousetrap, and all that....

Both will likely lose traffic. Because people won't want to talk about Ron Paul as much now.

I appreciate that they're trying to come to terms with reality over there.

Reality is that GJ is on the ballot. They're quick to ban/delete over there.

Voting for GJ is the most reasonable thing to do.
 
Both will likely lose traffic. Because people won't want to talk about Ron Paul as much now.

I appreciate that they're trying to come to terms with reality over there.

Reality is that GJ is on the ballot. They're quick to ban/delete over there.

Voting for GJ is the most reasonable thing to do.

Only if you want to.

I was speaking about relative traffic between the sites though.
 
Yeps. Third party candidacies are totally inconsequential. Those who believe that they'll be able to "build upon" Johnson's results or campaign are going to have a rude awakening. It won't affect the 2 party system in the slightest.

Perot won 19% of the popular vote and was leading in the polls before he decided that bizarre campaign suspension. John Anderson got 7% of the popular vote. George Wallace got 45 electoral votes and 14% of the popular vote. Lasting consequences? Zero. Johnson will be lucky to get above 1% in more than one or two states. In a couple of months, nobody will remember his candidacy. Heck, most people won't even notice it.

The idea is that GJ might be able to do well this year, because of all the Ron Paul supporters who suddenly have nothing else to do. By well, the best the LP has ever done, which is a little bit over 1%. Voting for GJ is really what Ron Paul supporters should be doing. And people shouldn't be busting on dailypaul for GJ hype.
 
Only if you want to.

I was speaking about relative traffic between the sites though.

I really have only spent time over there when someone here says something about something over there. I like that they've recognized our current situation. I would think that on the margins their idea is good.
 
The idea is that GJ might be able to do well this year, because of all the Ron Paul supporters who suddenly have nothing else to do. By well, the best the LP has ever done, which is a little bit over 1%. Voting for GJ is really what Ron Paul supporters should be doing. And people shouldn't be busting on dailypaul for GJ hype.
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DP should do what Michael wants, it is his site. However, it seems to me that people should similarly vote as THEY think they should.
 
Great it's settled then, write-in campaign 4 Ron Paul 2012 !! Darn it.

Right! And we can count his votes ourselves by having a site where everyone can go to to say they voted for Paul. We will have to rely on people being honest and not cheating by trying to vote more than once, but if most people are honest and few try to cheat, we will have a good idea how many voted for Ron Paul for president regardless if the some states don't count his vote.
 
I'm going into the lebanon county election board tomorrow and find out about all this for my area. I called 3 times today and was promised a return call but nothing. They definitely don't like me in there because I do too much digging and asking questions. I ask them just about every question off the black box voting website. LOL Does anybody have the latest scoop on Pennsylvania write - ins or for lebanon pa ?
 
Right! And we can count his votes ourselves by having a site where everyone can go to to say they voted for Paul. We will have to rely on people being honest and not cheating by trying to vote more than once, but if most people are honest and few try to cheat, we will have a good idea how many voted for Ron Paul for president regardless if the some states don't count his vote.

We can also compare the number who voted, nationwide, with the number who voted for presidential candidates on the ballot. If the gap is unusually large, that is a protest vote, imho
 
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