Walmart Strike

[UWDude]

the union doesn't own THE FUCKING COMPANY!

The union had to at one point negotatied the terms of working at the company. If you don;t like, it, go work at a non-union company. There are plenty of them. Whether the union owns the company or not is irrelevant.

they have become nothing but a gang of thieves.

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i'm glad we ran their asses out of our state.

We? We who?

our standard of living has gone up.

Oh? Really? What state? And since when has the standard of living gone up anywhere in the United States? (LoL, Louisiana)

the only company still plagued with the thieves in this state is P&G, and then, p&G ends up abusing temp agency work, and the union doesn't stand up for the worker, it stands up for the old timers, to protect their asses at the expense of the low paid workers.
every place the union has touched in this state became a crap plant, with crap production, and protective circles of privileged paid employees who did no work.

I sense.... ....conflict within you. Join the dark side... and know the TRUE POWER OF THE WORKER!

 

[torchbearer]

The union had to at one point negotatied the terms of working at the company. If you don;t like, it, go work at a non-union company. There are plenty of them. Whether the union owns the company or not is irrelevant.


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We? We who?


Oh? Really? What state? And since when has the standard of living gone up anywhere in the United States? (LoL, Louisiana)



I sense.... ....conflict within you. Join the dark side... and know the TRUE POWER OF THE WORKER!

the union uses temp workers as a way to avoid their own work.
they use them as slaves at p&g. its disgusting.
but if you went to afco, every worker is treated with dignity by the company, and every man contributes or gets fired. non-union.
how about you come over to the true power of voluntary work for voluntary pay.

 

[UWDude]

but if you went to afco, every worker is treated with dignity by the company, and every man contributes or gets fired. non-union.

Then work at Afco. Big deal. Free market at work. You don't have to work a union job. It's pretty simple, isn't it?

 

[torchbearer]

Then work at Afco. Big deal. Free market at work. You don't have to work a union job. It's pretty simple, isn't it?

well, that is what happened in louisiana.
Afco got the best workers, and p&g turnover keeps them from keeping up with quotas.
the non-union plants are creating bigger wages for the most workers, and the last union plants are proving their model as a failure.
our standard of living is booming, in what was one of the poorest states.

 

[UWDude]

well, that is what happened in louisiana.
Afco got the best workers, and p&g turnover keeps them from keeping up with quotas.
the non-union plants are creating bigger wages for the most workers, and the last union plants are proving their model as a failure.

Then what is the fucking problem? The union shops are failing. Sucks to be P&G, which is too big for its britches anyway. MAybe P&G should try to negotiate competitive wages to try and bring in Afco workers, (if what you say is true). Surely the unions are not the ones demanding pay be uncompetitive with non-union shops.

 

[Ender]

I am amazed that so few people on a Ron Paul forum understand Constitutional law or real capitalism.

Real capitalism is NOT corporatism or mercantilism- this is what we primarily experience today and was the real reason for the Revolutionary War.

Real capitalism is product driven: you make a product- if people like it you keep on making it. The price goes down and salaries go up. If I make a bad product, nobody buys and I'd better start another kind of business. I am not bailed out and people aren't forced to join an organization in order to work.

Right to work states promote everyone's right to a job without having to pay dues or join unwanted organizations. This is called FREEDOM.

If I am forced to join a union and have dues taken out of my paycheck without my consent, how is that any different than the British making the colonists buy only one brand of tea and at their price? How is it any different than the British taxing the Scots against their will?

 

[pathtofreedom]

I am amazed that so few people on a Ron Paul forum understand Constitutional law or real capitalism
I quite like Ron Paul even if I disagree with him on a small number of issues. The constitution is meaningless several supreme court cases as well as other things have proven this.
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution, it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it." from Padelford, Fay & Co. vs. The Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah. 14 Georgia 438, 520 "Just A Goddamned Piece Of Paper" - George Bush
famguardian.org/Subjects/LawAndGovt/Articles/SenateReport93-549.htm
Real capitalism is NOT corporatism or mercantilism- this is what we primarily experience today and was the real reason for the Revolutionary War.
What does this have to with anything? No one advocates the system we have today. Actually the revolutionary war was caused by the colonies being forced to give up colonial scrip and being forced onto a gold standard.
Real capitalism is product driven: you make a product- if people like it you keep on making it. The price goes down and salaries go up. If I make a bad product, nobody buys and I'd better start another kind of business. I am not bailed out and people aren't forced to join an organization in order to work.
I wish people would stop throwing around the words capitalism or socialism and being as both word have lost their meaning. I prefer the term free market. Capitalism is marxist term and libertarians will sound marxist when they throw that around "it is not real capitalism man" vs " the soviet union was not real communism". I oppose bail outs how ever no one is forced to join a union you can work for someone else.
Right to work states promote everyone's right to a job without having to pay dues or join unwanted organizations. This is called FREEDOM.
No it is not this is the government intervening in the market restricting the right of contract. That is called government intervention.
If I am forced to join a union and have dues taken out of my paycheck without my consent, how is that any different than the British making the colonists buy only one brand of tea and at their price? How is it any different than the British taxing the Scots against their will?

Simple you can work for someone who has an open shop. Either Employment is voluntary or not. If we accept that employment is voluntary so too is joining a union.

 

[UWDude]

If I am forced....

when you have to work for someone, for crap pay and unsafe conditions, it is not forced, because you can leave and go work somewhere else.

But when you have to work for someone for better pay and safe conditions, but pay just part of that better pay for union dues, it is not forced, because you can leave and go work somewhere else.

See how that works?

Irrational hatred of unions.

Real capitalism is NOT corporatism or mercantilism- this is what we primarily experience today and was the real reason for the Revolutionary War.

who cares about this philosophical drivel, and what bearing does it have on unions? Are we going to talk about reality, or some kind of libertopia that exists only in your mind...

I always find it amazing that people say "this isn't real capitalism". OK. I agree. But why, since it is not real capitalism, are you taking the side of the people who benefit the most form the cronyism and privilege of wealth?

 

[UWDude]

It makes me angry, because the UAW has a majority of the blame for all but a fraction of the production work leaving this area over the last 40 years or so. This area still hasn't completely recovered from CAT closing down over 80% of it's plants around here.

So, umm, why do you care if all production work left, all it was doing was hiring lazy neck beards anyway.

And it's always the greedy unions fault, not the poor victimized shareholders and executives faults, who are always having to sacrifice for the good of their workers.

Give me a fucking break.

 

[pcosmar]

if you're going to work at walmart you may as well just collect food stamps, seriously. Jobs like that are for teenagers.

It is one of the few employers here. and one of the largest employers outside of the State. My wife works there part time.
She is one of those folks that spend most of the day refolding tables of clothes that are on the shelves. and putting stuff out on those shelve for folks to shop through.

Not entirely unskilled. She had managed Store in the Keys for years.Walmart pays fair money,, defending on position. Generally starting anywhere is higher than minimum. And they offer employees benefits and bonuses,, which is also fair.

 

[UWDude]

It is one of the few employers here. and one of the largest employers outside of the State. My wife works there part time.
She is one of those folks that spend most of the day refolding tables of clothes that are on the shelves. and putting stuff out on those shelve for folks to shop through.

Not entirely unskilled. She had managed Store in the Keys for years.Walmart pays fair money,, defending on position. Generally starting anywhere is higher than minimum. And they offer employees benefits and bonuses,, which is also fair.

Warrior_of_Freedom is a better person than your wife, and I am sure he will be glad to tell his story of hard work and success, how he has always been the best employee ever, and I am also sure he will forget to mention any privilege and instead attribute it to his superior personality and intellect. I can't wait to listen to his narcissistic masturbation.

 

[Zippyjuan]

I am amazed that so few people on a Ron Paul forum understand Constitutional law or real capitalism.

Real capitalism is NOT corporatism or mercantilism- this is what we primarily experience today and was the real reason for the Revolutionary War.

Real capitalism is product driven: you make a product- if people like it you keep on making it. The price goes down and salaries go up. If I make a bad product, nobody buys and I'd better start another kind of business. I am not bailed out and people aren't forced to join an organization in order to work.

Right to work states promote everyone's right to a job without having to pay dues or join unwanted organizations. This is called FREEDOM.

If I am forced to join a union and have dues taken out of my paycheck without my consent, how is that any different than the British making the colonists buy only one brand of tea and at their price? How is it any different than the British taxing the Scots against their will?

What about the "free rider" problem? In an open shop, a non- union worker gets the same benefits (usually) of a union worker without paying to support the union which helped achieve those benefits.

 

[BAllen]

Here's another success story of Market Socialism for you sheep. Oh wow look at this, a bunch of workers voluntarily getting together and thriving. And they're even making a decent wage:





BUT HOW WILL THEY EVER MANAGE WITHOUT A CAPITALIST ELITE RAPING THEM EVERYDAY?!?!?!?!?!!

Where's the sound?

 

[silverhandorder]

What about the "free rider" problem? In an open shop, a non- union worker gets the same benefits (usually) of a union worker without paying to support the union which helped achieve those benefits.

It exists. This would be for the union and management to figure out. Do you think there needs to be a law?

 

[UWDude]

It exists. This would be for the union and management to figure out. Do you think there needs to be a law?

They already do figure it out, it is one of the contract points. Not all shops are closed. But if a union is striking, and they say we want the shop closed, management says "no", unions say "fine, we aren't working until you say 'yes'", management says "fine we don't need you"... ..and then 3 weeks later, as they lose milions per day, decide they actually do. That is how these things are decided.

No need for a law, just contract enforcement, which is one of the prime duties of government.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

One thing this would signal is the onset of inflation.

 

[UWDude]

One thing this would signal is the onset of inflation.

So junk in Wal-Mart goes up 10%. It's not the end of the world. Fred Meyer, Albertsons and Safeway are unionized. It's not the end of the world, but it is the end of Wal-Mart sucking off the tit of government and paying its workers crap trying to "stay competitive" with places that pay their workers better wages.

 

[silverhandorder]

So junk in wal mart goes up 10%. It's not the end of the world. Fred Meyer, Albertsons and Safeway are unionized. It's not the end of the world, but it is the end of wal-mart sucking off the tit of government and paying its workers crap trying to "stay competitive" with places that pay their workers better wages.

Never heard of them. Where are they based?

 

[UWDude]

Fred Meyer is a super store competing with Wal mart, west of the Appalachians
Safeway and Albertsons are very large grocery store chains.
Costco is a large warehouse store that bases its value on buying in bulk, and it pays its employees very well, while still remaining competitive with Sam's Club, Wal-Mart's version of Costco (except with pittance pay for its employees)

 

[silverhandorder]

What unions operate in those stores?