Wal-Mart undercutting practises

Wal-Marx gets $1 Billion in government subsidies. Again, in a free market the people would be the regulators not the government! Those subsidies come off the backs of hard working people in the form of taxes. So at the barrel of a gun, my money goes to subsidizing Mega Corporations like Wal-Marx! That's not freedom!

Sources:
http://money.cnn.com/2004/05/24/news/fortune500/walmart_subsidies/
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Corporate_Welfare/WalMart_Welfare.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-norman/wal-mart-billionaire-want_b_443649.html
http://www.walmartmovie.com/facts.php
http://walmartsubsidywatch.com/methodology.html
http://www.thepanelist.net/neuberts...es-i-blame-the-government-not-the-corporation

Gets? That said Walmart has gotten over a billion in subsidies, over an unknown period of time (I'm assuming several years). Those subsidies listed include government health care programs that clearly are not subsidies, and tax breaks. It does not factor in the things government does to hurt Walmart (protectionist policies). The kicker is that Walmart, according to the first article, had over 9 billion dollars in profits that year alone. A billion dollars in "subsidies" (with a rather loose definition and no stated time frame) that does not factor in the things government does to harm Walmart, has very little to do with their success when they make 9 times that a year in profits.

LOL! That's rich. What happens is people compete to get Wal-Marx to buy their products, since it is a huge retailer. The supplier makes a deal with them and signs a contract, that Wal-Marx provides the supplier with, agreeing to to sell such product(s) for a trial of six months. Then at Wal-Marx's discretion they tell the supplier if they want to sell any more of their product line in Wal-Marx, the price needs to come down considerably. Because Wal-Marx is a huge retailer people try to keep up, but usually wind up going out of business because they can not sustain their business at the current rate they were undercut by Wal-Marx.

Sources:
http://www.fastcompany.com/1681262/walmarts-sustainability-challenge-yields-green
http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/03/creative-disruption-forbes-opinons-walmart.html
http://www.leadershipnow.com/leadershop/1594200769.html
http://www.brookesnews.com/070110walmart.html

Again, that is voluntary exchange. Those individuals agree to deals with Walmart because they believe they are better off for it.

You think the people in China voluntarily agree to the terms and conditions? $3.00 a day, in conditions, kennels in this country would be closed down for?

What a rediculous statement. $3.00 an hour is a nice job in China. They don't have the capital to work with that we do. So, China is somehow supposed to offer $25.00 dollar an hour jobs with benefits and air conditioning according to you?

And what particular production has America gained since all the big companies went overseas? Are you not paying attention to the current unemployment in our country?

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The unemployment crisis started in 2007 due to Fed monetary policy, not Walmart.

If we had a truly free market without government interferences, then competition would be wonderful. But this is not a level playing field when government allows Big Corporations to dictate.

You're saying that because we don't have a free market, the government needs to kill competition to protect politically favored firms. You've been posting here for four years now. Do you read any Mises.org articles?

Again, it was Wal-Marx who pushed to have RFID's placed in all products. You make no comment about the spy chips in our products, which they worked together with the DoD to have suppliers put spy chips in every product they sell. This adventure cost Wal-Marx $3 billion. Guess you must be comfortable with that as well--nah, it doesn't interfere with our civil liberties to have the products we buy being tracked and traced, eh?

So, do you think that a local Ma and Pa shop would turn down a $3 billion dollar contract?
 
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Well the easiest example would be tax exemptions they got from towns for building, exemptions that all the smaller competitors didn't get.

Or there is the issue of them telling their employees to get on govt welfare/healthcare/subsidy programs. Since they pay them low enough wages to qualify.

When did walmart tell their employees to get on govt welfare/ healthcare or subsidy programs? My father has worked for walmart for the past 10 years and hes never been on govt welfare/ healthcare or subsidy programs.
 
i hear to many of the stories about wal mart and how it shuts down the neighbourhood stores. The fact of the matter is that it also helps relativly low skilled individuals get employment. A friend of mine who dropped out of high school couldnt find any work. Then wal mart came along and he got a full time job with them. That was the only place that would hire him at his skill level and also provide him health care. THe mom n pap stores he worked at before couldnt provide health care for him.

At the end of the day you can tell just as many positive stories about walmart as negative. And when people complain about other businesses closing because of walmart. Well what the hell do you want? a society where there is no competation and so businesses never have to go belly up?
 
i hear to many of the stories about wal mart and how it shuts down the neighbourhood stores. The fact of the matter is that it also helps relativly low skilled individuals get employment. A friend of mine who dropped out of high school couldnt find any work. Then wal mart came along and he got a full time job with them. That was the only place that would hire him at his skill level and also provide him health care. THe mom n pap stores he worked at before couldnt provide health care for him.

At the end of the day you can tell just as many positive stories about walmart as negative. And when people complain about other businesses closing because of walmart. Well what the hell do you want? a society where there is no competation and so businesses never have to go belly up?
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Somehow, voluntary exchange is considered a bad thing to much of this board. People agree to work for Walmart voluntarily, and buy their products voluntarily. The biggest winners are the poor, who get job opportunities and much needed lower prices.
 
Gets? That said Walmart has gotten over a billion in subsidies, over an unknown period of time (I'm assuming several years). Those subsidies listed include government health care programs that clearly are not subsidies, and tax breaks. It does not factor in the things government does to hurt Walmart (protectionist policies). The kicker is that Walmart, according to the first article, had over 9 billion dollars in profits that year alone. A billion dollars in "subsidies" (with a rather loose definition and no stated time frame) that does not factor in the things government does to harm Walmart, has very little to do with their success when they make 9 times that a year in profits.

And I am saying government should not be in the business of protecting Big Business like Wal-Marx--or any Big Business for that matter.

Again, that is voluntary exchange. Those individuals agree to deals with Walmart because they believe they are better off for it.

Yeah tell that to the countless businesses who had to shut down because they could not keep their lights on, pay employees and make a profit when Wal-Marx undercut them to produce the products they offered.

You can take a drive in New England, especially in Maine and check out all the countless empty textiles building that went belly-up because they could not compete with the Chinese made clothing.

What a rediculous statement. $3.00 an hour is a nice job in China. They don't have the capital to work with that we do. So, China is somehow supposed to offer $25.00 dollar an hour jobs with benefits and air conditioning according to you?

To make a statement like, paying Chinese workers $3.00 a DAY to live in conditions that a kennel here in our country would be shut down for is ridiculous? How very humanitarian you are. I suppose you are in favor of slave labor then. :rolleyes:

We don't do the Chinese people any favors by continually supporting their Communist government, by the way.

Source:
http://factsanddetails.com/china.php?itemid=367&catid=9&subcatid=60

The unemployment crisis started in 2007 due to Fed monetary policy, not Walmart.

When industries like the textiles, paper and other manufacturers started shutting down shops and moving overseas, tons of people lost jobs, and that was way before 2007. It has been incremental, but just as it has been incremental, the effects are coming home to roost now as well.

You're saying that because we don't have a free market, the government needs to kill competition to protect politically favored firms. This entire post is scary, and the ideas behind come from unions. You've been posting here for four years now. Do you read any Mises.org articles?

SIGH...no that is not what I am saying, what I am saying is that we do not have a truly free market. What we have is a crony capitalistic market. In a truly free market, a market that is set by the people and not government, competition would be wonderful. As it stands now, we have corporations dictating to government and government comes in and regulates businesses. It's corrupted from stem to stern. Big pHarma is a perfect example of this corruption as well.

So, do you think that a local Ma and Pa shop would turn down a $3 billion dollar contract?

As it stands now, Mo and Pops don't get those luxurious bids--most of them have been driven right out of business.

That's how corporate America works. Corporations are like the mafia and the government is their muscle men.
 
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And I am saying government should not be in the business of protecting Big Business like Wal-Marx--or any Big Business for that matter.
I agree. None the less, Walmart had over 420 billion dollars in revenue last year, per wikipedia. Getting 1.2 billion dollars in "subsidies" over the last few years is not why they are successful.

The government should not be in the business of protecting big business or small business. Everyone should be treated equally.

Yeah tell that to the countless businesses who had to shut down because they could not keep their lights on, pay employees and make a profit when Wal-Marx undercut them to produce the products they offered.

You can take a drive in New England, especially in Maine and check out all the countless empty textiles building that went belly-up because they could not compete with the Chinese made clothing.

Please, read Bastiat.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basSophCover.html

It makes no sense (and is morally horific) to use government force to protect failed firms from competition. I'm sorry for not hating Walmart for driving incompetent firms into bankruptcy and freeing up their resources.

To make a statement like, paying Chinese workers $3.00 a DAY to live in conditions that a kennel here in our country would be shut down for is ridiculous? How very humanitarian you are. I suppose you are in favor of slave labor then.

Please, take a basic economics course. You cannot magically raise standards of living in developing countries with little to no capital. You're making yourself look foolish by demanding that Walmart pays third world workers high wages.

When industries like the textiles, paper and other manufacturers started shutting down shops and moving overseas, tons of people lost jobs, and that was way before 2007. It has been incremental, but just as it has been incremental, the effects are coming home to roost now as well.

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No, the unemployment rate was normal.

SIGH...no that is not what I am saying, what I am saying is that we do not have a truly free market. What we have is a crony capitalistic market. In a truly free market, a market that is set by the people and not government, competition would be wonderful. As it stands now, we have corporations dictating to government and government comes in and regulates businesses. It's corrupted from stem to stern. Big pHarma is a perfect of example of this corruption as well.

You're saying that because we don't have a free market, and have crony capitalism, that we need to protect inefficient business's because they are politically favored.

As it stands now, Mo and Pops don't get those luxurious bids--most of them have been driven run out of business.

That's how corporate America works. Corporations are like the mafia and the government is their muscle men.

Ma and Pa shops don't get those luxorious bids, because they do not have the resources. If they had them, they would take three billion dollars in a heart beat.
 
I agree. None the less, Walmart had over 420 billion dollars in revenue last year, per wikipedia. Getting 1.2 billion dollars in "subsidies" over the last few years is not why they are successful.

The government should not be in the business of protecting big business or small business. Everyone should be treated equally.

Umm, yeah that is what I have already stated twice. Let me see if I can make it a little simpler for you--Government has no business regulating ANY business--period.

It makes no sense (and is morally horific) to use government force to protect failed firms from competition. I'm sorry for not hating Walmart for driving incompetent firms into bankruptcy and freeing up their resources.

Who the HELL is asking for government force to protect failed firms?????????????? Please go back and re-read what I wrote. Again, reiterating, GOVERMENT HAS NO BUSINESS REGULATING AND PROTECTING BUSINESSES--period.

Please, take a basic economics course. You cannot magically raise standards of living in developing countries with little to no capital. You're making yourself look foolish by demanding that Walmart pays third world workers high wages.

I don't need an economics indoctrination. I can clearly add 2+2, and I have owned three successful businesses without a College Indoctrination certificate. I am not asking for anyone to raise the standard of living in any country. By buying Chinese-made products you inadvertently are supporting slave labor whether you want to believe it or not. I do not support propping up Communist countries, and abhor the way the Communist Chinese treat their people. So I make it a practice, to try to not buy things made in China--not because I hate the people, but I do not support slave labor of any kind.

No, the unemployment rate was normal.

Oh okay if you say so. :rolleyes:

Ma and Pa shops don't get those luxorious bids, because they do not have the resources. If they had them, they would take three billion dollars in a heart beat.

Indeed they would, but they don't have a chance in a crony capitalistic system.
 
Umm, yeah that is what I have already stated twice. Let me see if I can make it a little simpler for you--Government has no business regulating ANY business--period.

Who the HELL is asking for government force to protect failed firms?????????????? Please go back and re-read what I wrote. Again, reiterating, GOVERMENT HAS NO BUSINESS REGULATING AND PROTECTING BUSINESSES--period.
I live in a small town who continuously fights to not let Walmart in or around our town. I am thankful a lot of people have insight and enough wisdom to be stubborn enough to not fall for their deception-- that it will bring jobs to our area and all the other lies they say. We have a lot to protect around here, we keep local businesses in business by keeping Walmart out of our town!

Quite clearly, you are. Your own words.

I don't need an economics indoctrination. I can clearly add 2+2, and I have owned three successful businesses without a College Indoctrination certificate.

Owning a business has nothing to do with economic understanding. Read what Bastiat has to write about trade, protectionism, and labor.

By buying Chinese-made products you inadvertently are supporting slave labor whether you want to believe it or not.

The typical claim of a protectionist with no argument. Find any proof what so ever that Walmart is employing slaves. Note that simply getting paid less than the average American in 2011 does not make someone a slave.

I do not support propping up Communist countries, and abhor the way the Communist Chinese treat their people. So I make it a practice, to try to not buy things made in China--not because I hate the people, but I do not support slave labor of any kind.

As if the United States has a remotely free country, society, or has a government that treats people fairly.

Oh okay if you say so.

Yes, as the graph shows so clearly.

Indeed they would, but they don't have a chance in a crony capitalistic system

Or because they don't have the resources.
 
Quite clearly, you are. Your own words.

My own words is that my town, the people in it are educated in economics. They know by allowing a Big Corporation like Wal-Marx in, it will hurt the locals. When you buy local you keep the local economy going. Again, I don't need a poison-ivy league degree nor do the people in our town. We get it!
Owning a business has nothing to do with economic understanding. Read what Bastiat has to write about trade, protectionism, and labor.

“They will come to learn in the end, at their own expense, that it is better to endure competition for rich customers than to be invested with monopoly over impoverished customers.” ~Frederic Bastiat

“And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God” ~Frederic Bastiat
The typical claim of a protectionist with no argument. Find any proof what so ever that Walmart is employing slaves. Note that simply getting paid less than the average American in 2011 does not make someone a slave.



 
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I like the extra lead I get with Walmart products.
 
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My own words is that my town, the people in it are educated in economics. They know by allowing a Big Corporation like Wal-Marx in, it will hurt the locals. When you buy local you keep the local economy going. Again, I don't need a poison-ivy league degree nor do the people in our town. We get it!
By your own words, you do support government interference with private business, oppose private property rights, and want to protect politically favored firms from competition.

I think it is evident to everyone reading this topic that you're community is not educated in economics. It's blatently obvious that protectionism is wrong, and supported by no major schools of economic thought. Every single Austrian economist in the world is opposed to protectionism. 90% of professional economist oppose protectionism. 75% of the Ron Paul Forums opposes protectionism.

The idea of a local economy is as laughable as it gets. There is nothing local about your economy, or any other economy today. You have a product or item from every country in the world in your community. Try avoiding trade with the rest of the world. See where it gets your community.

“They will come to learn in the end, at their own expense, that it is better to endure competition for rich customers than to be invested with monopoly over impoverished customers.” ~Frederic Bastiat

“And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God” ~Frederic Bastiat

I'm not looking for random quotes that have nothing to do with the conversation. I'm suggesting you actually read his books about trade.



I can't believe I actually spent 17 minutes watching those videos. At no point is it ever shown that anyone is forced into slavery by Walmart. The first video was made by a union leech looking to make a buck off the rest of society through government. The first video actually ended with the girl saying she is glad that she worked for a sweat shop.

The other video was not about Walmart in particular, China in particular, and was made by ignorant American leftist reporters that claimed that high wages, health care benefits, paid vacation, and maternity leave are all "fundamental human rights". They are astounded that Bangledash, a country with a per capita income of $1,500 dollars a year, did not ban child labor, had multiple families living together, and that Disney only paid them a few dollars a day. As if Bangladesh workers produce enough to feed their children. Banning child labor in Bangladesh results in starvation and prostitution. Demanding benefits that they aren't productive enough to earn gets them fired and sent back to the jungle.
 
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I think it is evident to everyone reading this topic that you're not educated in economics. It's blatently obvious that protectionism is wrong, and supported by no major schools of economic thought. Every single Austrian economist in the world is opposed to protectionism. 90% of professional economist oppose protectionism. 75% of the Ron Paul Forums opposes protectionism.

I have not, nor do I advocate government protectionism...so why do you keep repeating this Ad nauseam? What the people in my town are doing is protecting their vital interests as per the Declaration of Independence-- Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. My town isn't looking for government handouts to subsidize our farms/ranches and other businesses. Many of us barter--can't barter with Wal-Marx now can you?

I back Dr. Paul 150% and I agree with everything he says about Big Business and Big Government. So what is your disconnect?

 
I'm curious to see what WalMart does when China drops the dollar peg. WalMart relies so heavily on products from China and we just won't be able to afford their stuff anymore. I'd like to see if they are planning for this and what their plans might be.

I wonder if children in Africa will work for near nothing....
 
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