Voting Is An Act of Violence

[acptulsa]

Imagine if everyone who was around in 2008 was still around, not for the purpose of trying to get someone elected POTUS, but to burn up the congressional switchboards everytime a bad bill was being considered which is basically every day congress is in session? But no. People didn't see the big picture and we are where we are.

Not a machine, but rather a lobbying group. Don't play in the mud of division, unite people for the purpose of holding politicians' feet to the fire and making them keep a promise or two.

Damn! Why didn't you toss this idea out in 2008?! It mighta worked!

Better than sitting in the air conditioning and trying to get each other banned for being just exactly as impolite as we are.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Probably because people were here for different reasons: Using RP to further their own agenda about 9-11, some because they wanted drugs legalized, etc.

 

[PAF]

Probably because people were here for different reasons: Using RP to further their own agenda about 9-11, some because they wanted drugs legalized, etc.

What was/is your reason?

 

[LibertyEagle]

The Democrats will tell you the United States is a democracy. The GOP will counter with, "No, the US is a republic, if you can keep it."

Both are full of bullsiht. What the US has is a two party system of governance; despite the founders never intending that (naivety at its most naive - George Washington railed against political parties, but the system the founders set up guarantees that two such parties would control the government). The candidates elected to office originate from one of the two major parties with an occasional third party candidate being elected (think of them as rare birth defects). Once in office, they represent their parties, not their constituents. The dominant parties in each legislative body control the chairpersonships of the committees in their respective houses. The party that controls the imperial presidency exerts control over the bureaucracies that run the federal government. You can think of the judiciary (the Supreme Court) as the long-term political party climate when compared to the political party weather that passes through the other two branches of federal government. The people that hold these offices don't hold allegiance to their constituents but rather to the political parties they belong to - their political survival (and long-term employment and under the table wealth) depend upon "allegiance to the Party" (thank goodness people in the US have two to choose from, the people in the Soviet Union only had one ... at least having two choices allows all the bases to be covered).

Each party in the legislative branch has a 'Chief Whip', a senior party member whose job is to ensure discipline within their party (that's in Article something or other in the Constitution, right?). They make sure their members vote the right way; though occasionally they'll allow a divergence if one member's vote is not absolutely required, and that member's dissenting (though losing) vote will help assure that member's re-election. And if a member happens to develop a conscience, the Whip books them into surgery to get the filthy thing removed.

I can’t imagine many, if any, here, pledges allegiance to any political party and if they did, it’s probably the Libertarian Party. lol

 

[LibertyEagle]

What was/is your reason?

That’s easy. Ron Paul. You know, Ron Paul Forums. I started here when he was running for President. You?

 

[acptulsa]

I can’t imagine many, if any, here, pledges allegiance to any political party...

One doesn't need any imagination. One merely needs to be able to read.

 

[LibertyEagle]

One doesn't need any imagination. One merely needs to be able to read.

Oh really? Sometimes it is fairly obvious where someone’s history is, but I don’t think many here are straight ticket voters. I know I’m not.

 

[acptulsa]

Oh really? Sometimes it is fairly obvious where someone’s history is, but I don’t think many here are straight ticket voters. I know I’m not.

I don't need many. You said you weren't sure there were any. And if there were, they had to be LP.

[MENTION=8593]spudea[/MENTION], I thought you were loyal to the GOP. It seems someone doubts you. Obviously you don't agree with everything every one of them says, and I'm glad for you that you don't seem to suffer the quandary of living in Graham's district. But the lady seems to be interested to know when the last time was you voted for someone who lacked that (R).

 

[PAF]

That’s easy. Ron Paul. You know, Ron Paul Forums. I started here when he was running for President.

That doesn't really answer my question.

You?

I came here from the DailyPaul and during the campaign I was seeking ideas and others who wanted to assist in promoting Ron Paul's message of liberty. Many of the folks who I remain in contact with no longer post on this site and have likewise adopted minarchism/anarchism. I'm not the worlds best conversationalist, but I am an information sponge and never stop learning. Liberty does come from within, but I enjoy reading different views because at times it helps me to hone in why I believe the way that I do, which helps me communicate more effectively during my Liberty Group meetings. Among all of the Trump/Other-Humping, I enjoy reposting articles which may help others connect the dots, hoping that over time, others will eventually realize that government/politicians is not the solution, but rather each individual becoming as principled and dedicated to the foundations of liberty as they possibly can. This won't be solved overnight and probably never will. But if nationalism and/or communism can take root, so can liberty. It takes one person at a time, and with each and every one, it can add up, and eventually maybe we can John Galt this thing. But it's certainly never going to happen by continuing to promote/vote for lesser of evil, simply because that only keeps their system alive.

 

[jmdrake]

Probably because people were here for different reasons: Using RP to further their own agenda about 9-11, some because they wanted drugs legalized, etc.

Funny, but 9-11 conspirary theories have more basis in reality than the conspiracy theories that led to January 6th. The reason the truth needed to get out about that is the same reason the truth needed to get out about COVID. Regardless of who wins any particular election, the PTB advance their agendas on a bedrock of lies. Trump came much closer to embracing 9-11 truth than Ron Paul or Rand Paul ever did, straight up telling Jeb Bush to his face that his brother didn't protect the country on 9-11, and guess who got elected president?





In comparison to Donald Trump pointing out the obvious failures of "dubya" in the lead up to 9-11, Ron Paul stubbornly stuck to the "blowback" theory, which alienated most Republican voters, and Ron flubbed the question "Some of your supporters think that the government let 9-11 happen or covered it up." Ron should have said "Well I agree that there was a cover up" because that's the position he had taken multiple times. Had he taken the Donald Trump position that in that debate that Donald Trump took which is at the very least the idea that 9-11 couldn't have been prevented is a flat out lie, he might have won the presidency. But he took the Michael Scheuer "blowback" position without the benefit of having Michael Scheuer on the campain trail because Mr. Scheuer is so openly critical of U.S. policy towards Israel. Yes I know. It's shocking that on this one issue I agree with Donald Trump more than I do Ron Paul. But the proof is in the pudding. The idea that 9-11 conspiracy theories needed to be suppressed for Ron Paul to win was rediculous then and asinine now in hindsight. Even Tucker Carlson who infamously walked out on the "Rally For The Republic" over Jesse Ventura bringing up 9/11 is basically now himself a 9/11 truther and has openly talked about WTC 7.

 

[Madison320]

Solution???

Just because I don't vote doesn't mean that I don't contact senators and congresspeople. They hear from me all of the time. The problem is, when I voice my positions I am more than typically told: "huh, you're the first person who has called about this". So, that tells me that even those who do vote don't even bother to hold them accountable after they have cast their "consent".

Other than that, I stay low and under, and look for ways to starve the state the best that I can.


Tom Massie: "Noncompliance is more effective than voting." He's right, ya know

My theory is nothing is going to happen until this all time, gigantic bubble pops. No one wants to do the right thing, which is reducing the size of government, while we're still doing moderately well. When this bubble pops and our standard of living goes down in flames, there's a chance we'll do the right thing. Or at least maybe some states will secede. That might be even better. As long as there's a free state that has good trout fishing.

 

[acptulsa]

My theory is nothing is going to happen until this all time, gigantic bubble pops.

Yup.

They know they can't stop it. But they do think they can make it happen on their schedule. They know it'll make people disgusted with The System. But they want to come out of this mess still in charge.

So, the psyop, the clown show. If you have to crash the currency anyway, might as well spend on a psyop to get people so mad at each other they have no bullets left for you.

Better than sitting around watching that Dr. No character and his meddlesome minions slowly convince people they'd be better off if you had less power.

 

[Madison320]

Yup.

They know they can't stop it. But they do think they can make it happen on their schedule. They know it'll make people disgusted with The System. But they want to come out of this mess still in charge.

So, the psyop, the clown show. If you have to crash the currency anyway, might as well spend on a psyop to get people so mad at each other they have no bullets left for you.

I don't think anyone is running the show. I think it's mostly politicians trying to stay in power by keeping the bubble going in the short run and hoping they get out of dodge before it hits the fan. To be more specific they're trying to keep the bubble going with government spending, borrowing, artificially low rates and money printing. In other words "stimulus". They had to slow down with the stimulus because price inflation got politically unpopular but they're about fire it up again. The problem is the price inflation will come roaring back as soon as the stimulus starts, it won't take that long this time.

 

[Voluntarist]

I can’t imagine many, if any, here, pledges allegiance to any political party and if they did, it’s probably the Libertarian Party. lol

I wasn't saying that the voters hold allegiance to political parties (though even among voters, there's 30-40% of voters on the left and another 30-40% of voters on the right who do). But the candidates do hold such allegiance. In the case of the Libertarian Party (recall that I labelled third parties as birth defects on the two-party system - they're rare and have little to no chance of winning) ... I don't think there's much allegiance on the part of candidates or voters to the birth defect parties; most voters see them as protest votes against the two major parties.

But as a thought experiment, suppose Tom Massie or Rand Paul had originally run as Independents (laying out their positions, and stating where they disagreed with the Democratic and Republican candidates); do you think they would have been elected? When running as GOP candidates, they both defeated their GOP primary opposition - would they still beat those same opposition candidates if those candidates had the backing of the GOP and Massie/Rand were running as Independents? All the candidates are still the very same people with the same political positions, the only difference being that now Massie/Rand don't have that little "(R)" next to their names on the ballots - some other candidates do.

=== Edited to add ===
If you really wanted to screw with the US electoral process, then forbid ballots from listing the political party affiliation of each candidate and make sure that the order of names on the ballot gave no clues to party affiliation.

 

[PAF]

My theory is nothing is going to happen until this all time, gigantic bubble pops. No one wants to do the right thing, which is reducing the size of government

The bubble is the biggest thing. Even so far as defending and protecting the very Bill of Rights, they have no interest or care anymore. Any slight wins that we hear about, folks are happy to hear about them, but they themselves rely on others to pull that weight, while at the same time ignoring and giving passes to somebody who has before and announces now that they will abuse their power if/once elected again.

, while we're still doing moderately well. When this bubble pops and our standard of living goes down in flames, there's a chance we'll do the right thing. Or at least maybe some states will secede. That might be even better.

This whole "secession" thing is beyond ridiculous and not to be taken seriously. Half of the folks who want it really don't, and the other half want it for entirely the wrong reasons. Those folks will rant and cheer for nationalist solutions, well, because "communism", but they still rely on intrusive government just the same. There are a few folks like me who would like to see a secession, but we anarchists are frowned upon and demonized by the majority of secessionists, so basically we would still be in the same position that we are in now - trying to fight back a flavor of government. Which, btw, is what it comes down to; each individual making their own path and not relying others to do it for them. To me that is true secession.

As long as there's a free state that has good trout fishing.

I planned further ahead; I spear fish wherever there's an ocean ;-)

 

[acptulsa]

I don't think anyone is running the show.

Did you pay close attention to that little operation they called The Pandemic?

These people are full well capable of scheming to make us over as another China, friend. Take a closer look at that Jab Show and tell me they're just a grasping gaggle who can't get organized.

 

[Madison320]

This whole "secession" thing is beyond ridiculous and not to be taken seriously. Half of the folks who want it really don't, and the other half want it for entirely the wrong reasons. Those folks will rant and cheer for nationalist solutions, well, because "communism", but they still rely on intrusive government just the same. There are a few folks like me who would like to see a secession, but we anarchists are frowned upon and demonized by the majority of secessionists, so basically we would still be in the same position that we are in now - trying to fight back a flavor of government. Which, btw, is what it comes down to; each individual making their own path and not relying others to do it for them. To me that is true secession.

There's always going to be a flavor of government.

At least with secession the governments will be more manageable. There are plenty of governments that have done the right thing, not all governments grow, if they did every country would be communist by now. The scandinavian countries scaled back after they went broke in the late 1900s. New Zealand scaled way back. I'm not so optimistic with the US because we're so big.

And I've watched way to many shark documentaries to ever go spear fishing ...

 

[Madison320]

Did you pay close attention to that little operation they called The Pandemic?

These people are full well capable of scheming to make us over as another China, friend. Take a closer look at that Jab Show and tell me they're just a grasping gaggle who can't get organized.

Who do you think is running it?

 

[PAF]

There's always going to be a flavor of government.

Yes, of course.

At least with secession the governments will be more manageable. There are plenty of governments that have done the right thing, not all governments grow, if they did every country would be communist by now. The scandinavian countries scaled back after they went broke in the late 1900s. New Zealand scaled way back. I'm not so optimistic with the US because we're so big.

Until whatever happens, my goal is to continue educating others concerning self-reliance and liberty.

And I've watched way to many shark documentaries to ever go spear fishing ...

lol so you've never gone on a shark dive? I just recently took my offspring on one down in Costa Rica ;-)

 

[acptulsa]

Who do you think is running it?

Well if people like Gates, Schwab, Soros and Rothschild aren't on the board of directors, at least they know who is.