Vote.

[osan]

I know there are many who refuse to vote because they don't want to be seen as participating in the tyrannical system. I fully empathize with this and agree, in principle.

I would love to live sufficient thousands of years to see humanity evolve into proper anarchists, where men respected one another, etc. That, I am sad to say, is unlikely.

That means we are left with what we have - a wholly screwed up "system". Given this, is holding to one's principles as he sits idly by watching the rest make all the decisions for him a wise course to take? I say no. While I fully endorse work toward better circumstances, the here-and-now reality that has been foisted upon us is equally important.

Some say that voting makes no difference at the individual level. While that can be argued as so, it can also be argued as nonsense. Place enough grains of sand in the bags and the camel's back breaks. This is observable reality.

Some further say that there is nothing "good" for which to vote. That may also be true, or not, depending on how one chooses to look at it. Regardless, even if all we have to vote for is a lesser evil, I say vote for it, lest the greater evil be foisted upon us. Does this not make some basic sense? I say it does.

So I am going to ask everyone here to say "fuck it" and go out and vote this November. If you love me, and you should because I am so damned impossibly lovable, then please do as I ask. I would suggest you vote Republican down the line. Why? Because as evil as some of those bastards are, they are several quanta less so than their Democrat counterparts. If we cannot vote in the good, we can at least deny the more evil access to the power that would be used to put the gronk on us with ever greater pinch.

I'm dead serious about this. You really have nothing to lose. Go vote, preferably R, and keep those commie bastards out of power.

The Rs are nothing to write home about, but at least they listen every once in a while, which is that much more than you will ever get from the left.

Please?

Thanks.

ETA: It now appears the Democrats may win the House. I would strongly suggest you all do your best to convince friends to get the hell out and do what is needed to stop this. We are no longer in a philosophical exercise. This is real-deal political warfare and you will choose one way or another - proactively or through the default of inaction.

As Dr. Paul is oft quoted, let it not be said we did nothing.

 

[youngbuck]

I agree with you, same sentiment, and am encouraging other liberty minded folks to vote.

 

[CaptUSA]

I would have never had guessed it... osan is Taylor Swift!


Seriously, though. I generally cast my lots. I don't expect it to accomplish much and I go about living my life. But I don't care about any parties - that's where they get you. Here's my method: Are there any liberty candidates? Cast a piece of sand for them. No liberty folks? Are there any incumbents? Cast a vote for their opponent. Running unopposed? Leave it blank. Is there a write-in line?? RON PAUL.

 

[osan]

I would have never had guessed it... osan is Taylor Swift!


Seriously, though. I generally cast my lots. I don't expect it to accomplish much and I go about living my life. But I don't care about any parties - that's where they get you. Here's my method: Are there any liberty candidates? Cast a piece of sand for them. No liberty folks? Are there any incumbents? Cast a vote for their opponent. Running unopposed? Leave it blank. Is there a write-in line?? RON PAUL.

I would call that all good in "normal" times.

This time, however, I think things are so obviously bad (whether it's organic or all theater designed to corral us in a direction, I cannot say), that defending against what I see as the venomous ire of the "left" is perhaps a good idea at this point. I could be wrong, but what if I am not?

 

[CaptUSA]

I would call that all good in "normal" times.

Lol. These are ALL normal times. Parties dividing, government growing, liberty receding... Been going on since I've been alive. The only thing "new" is the volume has been turned up thanks to the media's drive for ratings and need to compete against "social" media. Turn off the radio, TV, and computer and things pretty much look the same as always.

I vote against government - not the party. The parties are just a battle of who gets to control the power. I have no interest in their games.

Fear not, though... If it matters to you, my Senate and Representative incumbents are democrats.

 

[jkr]

WIFE wont vote for repub senator in ohio because "they trying to pass a law disallowing pre existing conditions" and she is a breast cancer survivor


so that sucks

never mind CHARADE brown is a traitor with no fidelity to the constitution, she thinks the R's will kill her.

that is what were dealing with.

 

[TheTexan]

This is a Great thread

The only way our oppressors will ever stop is if we get out there and vote!! Let's show them what we're made of this November

If you sit home this November not voting, I have to call you a coward. Afraid to make the hard choices, afraid to do what has to be done.

Get out there and vote like a man

 

[TheTexan]

Be sure to also write "please" and "thank you" on your ballot for good luck!

 

[timosman]

Be sure to also write "please" and "thank you" on your ballot for good luck!

-rep as this may invalidate the ballot.

 

[jllundqu]

I know there are many who refuse to vote because they don't want to be seen as participating in the tyrannical system. I fully empathize with this and agree, in principle.

I would love to live sufficient thousands of years to see humanity evolve into proper anarchists, where men respected one another, etc. That, I am sad to say, is unlikely.

That means we are left with what we have - a wholly screwed up "system". Given this, is holding to one's principles as he sits idly by watching the rest make all the decisions for him a wise course to take? I say no. While I fully endorse work toward better circumstances, the here-and-now reality that has been foisted upon us is equally important.

Some say that voting makes no difference at the individual level. While that can be argued as so, it can also be argued as nonsense. Place enough grains of sand in the bags and the camel's back breaks. This is observable reality.

Some further say that there is nothing "good" for which to vote. That may also be true, or not, depending on how one chooses to look at it. Regardless, even if all we have to vote for is a lesser evil, I say vote for it, lest the greater evil be foisted upon us. Does this not make some basic sense? I say it does.

So I am going to ask everyone here to say "fuck it" and go out and vote this November. If you love me, and you should because I am so damned impossibly lovable, then please do as I ask. I would suggest you vote Republican down the line. Why? Because as evil as some of those bastards are, they are several quanta less so than their Democrat counterparts. If we cannot vote in the good, we can at least deny the more evil access to the power that would be used to put the gronk on us with ever greater pinch.

I'm dead serious about this. You really have nothing to lose. Go vote, preferably R, and keep those commie bastards out of power.

The Rs are nothing to write home about, but at least they listen every once in a while, which is that much more than you will ever get from the left.

Please?

Thanks.

Allow me to posit another theory.

What will move us toward more human freedom... truly? I am a firm believer that we need nothing short of some serious hard times for the ball to be moved even in inch in that direction. Therefore it follows that whatever will bring us closer to 'hard times' would be the most appropriate remedy to the current predicament, no? I say let the Ocasio Corez's and the Bernies and Antifa wield the levers of power for a while... I'm here in flyover country and we've been WAITING for such an event... this will end up with one of several likely scenarios: 1) Secession/Peaceful dissolution, 2) Civil Conflict 3) Fill in the blank.... I think any outcome is better than preserving the status quo.

To summarize: Let them come.

 

[Jamesiv1]

Die hard. Vote harder.

 

[timosman]

Allow me to posit another theory.

What will move us toward more human freedom... truly? I am a firm believer that we need nothing short of some serious hard times for the ball to be moved even in inch in that direction. Therefore it follows that whatever will bring us closer to 'hard times' would be the most appropriate remedy to the current predicament, no? I say let the Ocasio Corez's and the Bernies and Antifa wield the levers of power for a while... I'm here in flyover country and we've been WAITING for such an event... this will end up with one of several likely scenarios: 1) Secession/Peaceful dissolution, 2) Civil Conflict 3) Fill in the blank.... I think any outcome is better than preserving the status quo.

To summarize: Let them come.

8 years of Obama wasn't enough for you?

 

[Swordsmyth]

WIFE wont vote for repub senator in ohio because "they trying to pass a law disallowing pre existing conditions" and she is a breast cancer survivor


so that sucks

never mind CHARADE brown is a traitor with no fidelity to the constitution, she thinks the R's will kill her.

that is what were dealing with.

You need to point out all the ways the Demoncrats want to kill her, start with death panels.

 

[phill4paul]

Everything is pre-ordained and votes don't matter so I'm doing a straight RED ticket. It really doesn't matter, right? So what the fuck?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Everything is pre-ordained and votes don't matter so I'm doing a straight RED ticket. It really doesn't matter, right? So what the fuck?

Just did the same thing on an absentee ballot this very afternoon, for the first time in, decades, IIRC.

Obviously "our" side, while having all the weapons, are clearly afraid to actually do anything with them in the face of gale force winds of tyranny, and since carefully husbanded and guarded weapons are no weapons at all, this move is the only self defense move I can think of.

 

[Danke]

Gun restrictions have eased over the recent years because of Republicans.

 

[TheTexan]

Just did the same thing on an absentee ballot this very afternoon

Nice! +rep

 

[phill4paul]

Just did the same thing on an absentee ballot this very afternoon, for the first time in, decades, IIRC.

Obviously "our" side, while having all the weapons, are clearly afraid to actually do anything with them in the face of gale force winds of tyranny, and since carefully husbanded and guarded weapons are no weapons at all, this move is the only self defense move I can think of.

If'n as many say hear it don't matter, or that you should do one or the other for strategical purposes, then I'll cast my lot. Who cares, right? Doesn't matter. The voting machines are controlled by Israelis' and the Bilderburg pick the candidates. Will I take my 91 year old dad and 87 year old mom out to early vote? Yes. Yes, I will. I'm giddy about it. But, in the end, we will have much fun, go out and eat after, and call it a good day.

 

[osan]

Allow me to posit another theory.

What will move us toward more human freedom... truly? I am a firm believer that we need nothing short of some serious hard times for the ball to be moved even in inch in that direction. Therefore it follows that whatever will bring us closer to 'hard times' would be the most appropriate remedy to the current predicament, no? I say let the Ocasio Corez's and the Bernies and Antifa wield the levers of power for a while... I'm here in flyover country and we've been WAITING for such an event... this will end up with one of several likely scenarios: 1) Secession/Peaceful dissolution, 2) Civil Conflict 3) Fill in the blank.... I think any outcome is better than preserving the status quo.

To summarize: Let them come.

Defeating them in November is, I suspect, more likely to drive the "left" to the extremes needed to get the rest of us out of complacency. I could be mistaken, but putting those cockroach wannabes back into power is likely not the good path forward. I understand your approach, but do not think it would work as you believe. We had eight years of Obama and his horde of vile dullard criminals in power. What did Americans do? Nothing. It is not the way. Defeating them, thus driving them to such rage that they fire the first shot so that we can fire the last, all the while denying them access to their means of putting the screws to decent people.

I no longer see any reasonable likelihood that we are able to resolve these deep divisions without bloodshed. The "left" is marching on the sovereign rights of everyone who is not them, openly stating their intentions to the world as to what they will do with those unaligned with them. Therefore, I say feed their bitter hatred until they attack so that we may, in defense of what decency remains to us, destroy them once and hopefully for all. I know this is all very dramatic sounding, but the choice seems clear: eliminate them or capitulate to them. Firing the first shot is not the way for "us", so they must be given the incentive to do so, that we may fire the last.

Rather that those of the "leftish" persuasion got some sense, but this is highly unlikely. Therefore, they should be destroyed for they represent a very real existential threat to the shred-remnants of human freedom.

 

[osan]

Everything is pre-ordained and votes don't matter so I'm doing a straight RED ticket. It really doesn't matter, right? So what the fuck?

But what if they are not preordained?

Likely? Perhaps not. But consider this: if they are not, your actions contribute to what seems clearly a lesser evil. If they are, you've lost nothing but a few minutes of your time.

I believe that slim chance renders the effort worth the while. If Democrats regain one or both houses, bet your ass they will wage a campaign of retribution on the rest of us. Their bitter hatred is their weakness and is no joke. Granting them access to the levers of state would be madness. Setting them upon the American people would drive us to either fire the first shot or capitulate. Either way, we lose. Keep them outside in the cold, drive their hatred beyond their weak-tea limits so they make first move.