VOTE FOR THE NEXT MONEYBOMB DATE: 5th of November OR 11/11/11?

[kojirodensetsu]

I vote for veteran's day because Ron Paul is a veteran and it could be our thanks to him. Also having a big fundraiser on a military-related day could help his image with the conservative base. Even though November 5th is a big deal for Ron Paul supporters I don't think the conservative base we need to win over really cares about it. Especially considering they could try to lump the whole Guy Fawkes thing with Occupy Wall Street.

Pros Nov 5th: Potentially more money raised from more enthusiasm
Cons: The event itself could hurt Ron's image

Pros Nov 11th: Event could potentially help Ron's image
Cons: Might make less money

It's a toss up. But I'd rather not give the media more ammunition.

 

[lucent]

We could promote a donation drive week with Remember the 5th of November and V is for Victory or V-Week (Victory Week).

 

[Kludge]

We've taken the extraordinary, moving and inspiring moneybombs for an inspirational fellow introducing extraordinary ideas to the public and turned them into a arbitrary monthly date people are encouraged to donate. It's getting too late to correct this. Romney will win if we don't do something huge, and very soon. Our fundraising efforts are way behind our '07 efforts, and our poll numbers are looking less promising every day as we actually seem to be losing support, which is truly unprecedented. In '08, we took 10% in the Iowa primary. It was a disappointment. The latest credible Iowa poll puts Paul in the single digits.

In '07 and '08, I think the vast majority of us who came over had only just heard of Ron Paul, and were amazed to hear his message getting out to people like us. Now, Paul has mostly the same supporters hearing the same things, and watching the same things being done, again. There isn't that fresh, energizing feeling so much this time around. How can we bring that back?

 

[lucent]

We've taken the extraordinary, moving and inspiring moneybombs for an inspirational fellow introducing extraordinary ideas to the public and turned them into a arbitrary monthly date people are encouraged to donate. It's getting too late to correct this. Romney will win if we don't do something huge, and very soon. Our fundraising efforts are way behind our '07 efforts, and our poll numbers are looking less promising every day as we actually seem to be losing support, which is truly unprecedented. In '08, we took 10% in the Iowa primary. It was a disappointment. The latest credible Iowa poll puts Paul in the single digits.

The fundraising for Ron Paul is a lot further head this year than it was in 2007.

The latest Iowa poll has us at 10%.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...owa_republican_presidential_primary-1588.html


We took 10% in the caucus with 5% in the polls.

In '07 and '08, I think the vast majority of us who came over had only just heard of Ron Paul, and were amazed to hear his message getting out to people like us. Now, Paul has mostly the same supporters hearing the same things, and watching the same things being done, again. There isn't that fresh, energizing feeling so much this time around. How can we bring that back?

Impossible. Only the new people to the movement are going to feel that way.

 

[Kludge]

The fundraising for Ron Paul is a lot further head this year than it was in 2007.

The latest Iowa poll has us at 10%.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...owa_republican_presidential_primary-1588.html


We took 10% in the caucus with 5% in the polls.

You're definitely right about fundraising. In '07 Q3, Paul raised just over $5m. We raised ~$8m this year's Q3. But, there was also the $4.2m boost he gets in a couple weeks, and another $1m was going toward the blimp around this time. We might be able to get $3m total by two days out, and that's essentially taking the place of our first blockbuster Nov. 5th bomb since we had a loooooong time to promote it last time around. We're still a bit ahead, but I'm not seeing the momentum we had last time around, and on Dec. 16th, about 9 weeks out, we raised over $6m.

The poll I was referring to with Paul in single digits was the one making the rounds in the news today by the AP's polling organization -- http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2011-10-19/Poll-GOP-Obama-Romney-Cain/50831014/1. Granted, there's a 6% MoE, but that'd probably put us around 10-11% in a realistic favorable situation. In the end of '07, Paul was just starting to break double digits. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ia/iowa_republican_caucus-207.html -- really, he was right around where the polls pegged him (granted, his numbers were much worse this time in '07 polls, but we've tapped into a lot of the sympathetic people already, so I don't think it's reasonable to expect the same rate of support increase, even though we have more supporters already).

 

[1836]

I hear a lot about Dec 16. That's all well and good but if Iowa is the 3rd of January, we should work to get the money to the campaign sooner that that shouldn't we?

That big late push right before the caucus is extremely expensive and needs more than two weeks to plan. Plus, if we do well in Iowa or win outright, fundraising will increase exponentially with no need for a moneybomb.

I would trade 5 million on Dec 1 for 6 million on Dec 16; the two extra weeks would be tremendous. My point is that we need to get the campaign money much earlier than the 16th of December.

 

[lucent]

You're definitely right about fundraising. In '07 Q3, Paul raised just over $5m. We raised ~$8m this year's Q3. But, there was also the $4.2m boost he gets in a couple weeks, and another $1m was going toward the blimp around this time. We might be able to get $3m total by two days out, and that's essentially taking the place of our first blockbuster Nov. 5th bomb since we had a loooooong time to promote it last time around. We're still a bit ahead, but I'm not seeing the momentum we had last time around, and on Dec. 16th, about 9 weeks out, we raised over $6m.

You can't just take 2007's Q4 donations and put it on Q3 donations to compare it to this years Q3 donations.

The poll I was referring to with Paul in single digits was the one making the rounds in the news today by the AP's polling organization -- http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2011-10-19/Poll-GOP-Obama-Romney-Cain/50831014/1. Granted, there's a 6% MoE, but that'd probably put us around 10-11% in a realistic favorable situation. In the end of '07, Paul was just starting to break double digits. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ia/iowa_republican_caucus-207.html -- really, he was right around where the polls pegged him (granted, his numbers were much worse this time in '07 polls, but we've tapped into a lot of the sympathetic people already, so I don't think it's reasonable to expect the same rate of support increase, even though we have more supporters already).

In Iowa we had 1 to 4 percent in October. We got a bump because that is the time when most people start paying attention to politics.

Anyway, this conversation is derailing the thread. Best to take it to another thread if you want to discuss it.

 

[lucent]

I hear a lot about Dec 16. That's all well and good but if Iowa is the 3rd of January, we should work to get the money to the campaign sooner that that shouldn't we?

That big late push right before the caucus is extremely expensive and needs more than two weeks to plan. Plus, if we do well in Iowa or win outright, fundraising will increase exponentially with no need for a moneybomb.

I would trade 5 million on Dec 1 for 6 million on Dec 16; the two extra weeks would be tremendous. My point is that we need to get the campaign money much earlier than the 16th of December.

Well, then better take the reigns and start the money bomb then. No one else is.

 

[Elwar]

The month leading up to the Heritage Foundation debate needs to cast Ron Paul as pro-soldier.

The debate is November 15.

Once Ron Paul is solidified as a supporter of national defense, all else will fall into place with the Republicans.

Have it on November 11.

 

[anewvoice]

I'd say December 16th, give the grassroots some time to recharge. Undoubtedly the campaign will do something as well, but my concern is with the campaign spending so aggressively (WOOO!) they may need more money and soon. We're driving this train, tey buy 1 millionl, we raise 2 million, they spend 2 more million!

Honestly, I love Veterans Day due to the positive connotation, but positive does not motivate the grassroots. Attacking "the man" does more so than anything else. BTO was lower dollars than I expected but the # of donors was spot on, I saw 22k+ on a thread. TeaParty is that again.

 

[lucent]

The month leading up to the Heritage Foundation debate needs to cast Ron Paul as pro-soldier.

The debate is November 15.

Once Ron Paul is solidified as a supporter of national defense, all else will fall into place with the Republicans.

Have it on November 11.

If you haven't noticed, no one is reporting on BTO. Sorry, the theme, unless it is controversial is not going to get headlines. The theme is used as a marketing tool to motivate people to spread the word and donate. "Veteran's Day" is not good marketing. The goal is to raise money for Ron Paul so his campaign has money to run a campaign. Anything else besides that is secondary.

 

[centure7]

I most certainly won't be supporting a November 5th date money bomb regardless of how well supported it gets. Last time around we didn't realize the date was based on a nutty idea about Guy Fawkes until after we started promoting it! By then it was basically too late to change our mind. December 16th should be the next big one. November 11th should be a 1M target money bomb and I would support that.

 

[anewvoice]

I most certainly won't be supporting a November 5th date money bomb regardless of how well supported it gets. Last time around we didn't realize the date was based on a nutty idea about Guy Fawkes until after we started promoting it! By then it was basically too late to change our mind. December 16th should be the next big one. November 11th should be a 1M target money bomb and I would support that.

I knew about Falkes, and the movie V (one of my faves), but the news turned it on Ron Paul which folks weren't predicting (stupid misinterpretation of course).

I love this idea of a Veterans Day 1 million boost to hold us over until December 16th, keeps the wheels greased.

 

[lucent]

Right now the problem is the people who started BTO are currently MIA. I had contacted dusman a couple of times urging him to have the next moneybomb website prepared for when BTO was over. I also gave a number of marketing suggestion. We are limited on time, even if we chose 11-11-11. I was basically ignored.

 

[Elwar]

Right now the problem is the people who started BTO are currently MIA. I had contacted dusman a couple of times urging him to have the next moneybomb website prepared for when BTO was over. I also gave a number of marketing suggestion. We are limited on time, even if we chose 11-11-11. I was basically ignored.

I believe that Dusman is in New York right now...

 

[TexMac]

I like the idea of doing instead of a one day money bomb doing a week long money bomb starting November 4th and ending November 11th that way not only is everyone happy and it's not tied to one specific 24 hour period. Doing it that way would raise more money (since there would be universal support and marketing for this) and stay neutral because the fund raising is over the course of a week and can't be tied to one specific date. We could even call it "Patriots Week" or "A Week of Remembrance" something that also celebrates our right to elections (Election Day November 8th) and a number of other Patriotic dates in our history:




I agree pinning us down to Veterans day is going to end up costing the campaign probably millions of dollars, but then again I also understand the other side of the argument we don't want to be tied to November 5th as tightly for reasons of potentially harming the campaign through misinterpretation of the even through public relations, because of other groups possibly doing other things that day such as Anonymous, etc.

Also lately it seems our money bombs at the request of the campaign has spilled over at minimum a few hours to a entire weekend to reach a specific goal whether it's going past $1 million, etc. So doing a week long fund raising event isn't really that foreign or strange and remember we are the dreamers of dreams. Who ever said a money bomb needed to be just a 24 hour period?

Because every sub group in the grassroots would be able to enjoy this week of fund raising it gives them the flexibility to independently decide to promote it and have fun while doing it which means more visibility and promotion which in return brings in millions of more dollars to the campaign.

Agree with this and think of all the sub-bombs people could have! There could be contests, different groups could take over certain days and try to make their day bigger than other groups days!

 

[lucent]

I believe that Dusman is in New York right now...

He's still around on the forum. He's posted and made threads.

Agree with this and think of all the sub-bombs people could have! There could be contests, different groups could take over certain days and try to make their day bigger than other groups days!

There were lots of money bombs in 2007 and only a tiny few caught on. People only accept what they like or what their "leader" urges them to do.

 

[mport1]

The 5th. I don't want to celebrate anything related to the military.

 

[chris41336]

I don't think weeklong moneybombs work as well. The whole idea of a one-day money bomb is really what has set this campaign apart and really helps to motivate the donations. Look at BTO, we got most of our donations yesterday and I doubt that we will see any substantial increase after early this morning.

We need to pick a day, and we need to stick with it.

The 5th of November has the Nostalgia, but keep in mind we don't want to just preach to the choir (aka the people who feel nostalgic for the 5th of Nov.), we want new donors and to win he GOP Primary, right? GOP primary voters love Veterans, they love the military, and we all know the military loves us.

I saw we do the 11th. Call it the "Bring 'Em Home" Moneybomb, and have the quote underneath the ticker say "Our Troops Support Ron Paul. We owe it to them to do the same."

 

[JoshLowry]

I already posted on this. Do not promote November 5th here. Go to a different website to pimp it. This is fairly simple.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...of-November!&p=3671505&viewfull=1#post3671505