Vivek Ramaswamy’s 2024 POTUS campaign

[fisharmor]

Do recall how Trump got comparatively little done, even with Republicrat control of both houses, ostensibly because everyone in both parties feared and hated him.

Yeah, I remember.
I remember a lot farther back than that.
I remember when the Republican establishment did stuff like having cops break an old man's hip at the Louisiana convention rather than let the Ron Paul supporters do what is required of their position.
I remember the establishment shutting down an entire Nevada convention and just deciding delegates behind closed doors.

You're not going to convince me that the system is hopelessly corrupt. I already got there 12 years ago.
I haven't voted since. We went back to voting against, instead of voting for.

If all Vivek does is talk, he's still unfailingly saying the things that we all got excited about in 2008.
If all he does is talk, he's saying the things that brought us together to have this argument.
If all he does is talk, then a few more drones might snap out of it and recognize what's really happening.

If he turns around and kicks us in the face, the way Rand did in 2012, then I'm going to do the same thing: walk away. But until he does that, he's the best chance we have.

 

[acptulsa]

It means that's his real position before he decided to lie to defraud people for donations.

Are you talking about Trump when he hired 91u1iani to torpedo his own investigation into the 2020 Selection?

He's making liberal heads explode. That was good enough for some people eight years ago. Now that someone's doing it with something more than a third grade vocabulary, both blue heads and red heads are exploding. No wonder everyone has purple hair.

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1743100300481728608

 

[osan]

If all Vivek does is talk, he's still unfailingly saying the things that we all got excited about in 2008.
If all he does is talk, he's saying the things that brought us together to have this argument.
If all he does is talk, then a few more drones might snap out of it and recognize what's really happening.

If he turns around and kicks us in the face, the way Rand did in 2012, then I'm going to do the same thing: walk away. But until he does that, he's the best chance we have.

Walking away is precisely what Theye want you to do. Throw up your hands, give up, and go all hermit. I can't say that I'd blame you or anyone else for doing so, but being a subscriber to the philosophy of pressing on regardless, come what may, I guess I'd rather die fighting the good fight, than live the existence of one who abandons his ideals in resigned acceptance of evil. Yeah, I'm that stupid, but I no longer care.

 

[acptulsa]

I guess I'd rather die fighting the good fight, than live the existence of one who abandons his ideals in resigned acceptance of evil. Yeah, I'm that stupid, but I no longer care.

Once you reach a certain age, say kids out of the nest +10, finding a good hill to die on isn't that unusual in corrupt times.

In the meanwhile, he's right. Ramaswamy is the only thing in this race so far, that I know of, from any party, who is right well more than half the time. Or anywhere near half the time.

 

[fisharmor]

Walking away is precisely what Theye want you to do. Throw up your hands, give up, and go all hermit. I can't say that I'd blame you or anyone else for doing so, but being a subscriber to the philosophy of pressing on regardless, come what may, I guess I'd rather die fighting the good fight, than live the existence of one who abandons his ideals in resigned acceptance of evil. Yeah, I'm that stupid, but I no longer care.

No, what they want you to do is shit-talk the one guy in the last 12 years whose express positions are at least 99.5% identical to Ron Paul's.
This dropped 2 hours ago and is not different from what he has been saying all along.



Cliffs notes:

-He is running first on the principle of trusting the public with the truth
-We are at an identity crossroads and he still believes our identity is the principles of 1776
-He will not be bowing out of the race to defer to Trump because Trump will be destroyed one way or the other, and we deserve an option
-He is spending more time in Iowa than all the other candidates combined (playing the RP game)
-Strongly pro-life but recognizes the unconstitutionality of a federal abortion ban
-Start making changes day 1 with mass firings - he literally said he wants to be Milei on steroids
-Incremental change is not possible
-Shut down the FBI entirely
-He actively wants Trump's help and would consider him for VP
-Strip pharma companies of their vaccine liability protections
-It's not about him and it's not about Trump, it's about the country
-Correctly pointed out that DeSantis wears a MAGA suit for TV
-"At a certain point, people gotta do their homework and open up their eyes, cause we have a country to save and we don't have a lot of time dickin' around"


If you go watch this you will see a man with Ron Paul's positions who, unlike Ron, is actually serious about running.

 

[acptulsa]

If you go watch this you will see a man with Ron Paul's positions who, unlike Ron, is actually serious about running.

I find he's not a great source on principle, especially where foreign policy is concerned. I also wish he'd remind some of these hacks badgering him to specifically denounce white supremacy that they aren't wearing sunglasses -- he really is that color.

Ron managed to do a little Reaganesque humor once in a great while. Gee, Rick, I don't know which three of the five Cabinet departments I want to cut you say you'll cut too. Hey, Newt, how about a bicycle race against this old codger?

Do like Ramaswamy's energy. Do like the way he manages to back them down and still make his point in under a minute, though I'm not sure Texans can understand speech that comes at you so rapidly.

[MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] is that the Iowa Interstate's business car he's riding in? It ain't Amtrak.

 

[acptulsa]

It means that's his real position before he decided to lie to defraud people for donations.

Are you open minded enough to listen to the Viva Frei interview fisharmor posted? You should listen starting at 11:00. He figures he's playing the VP who keeps Trump from getting shot, figuratively speaking. And I don't mean later, I mean, now, during the campaign. He figures if he drops out, they'll send DeSantis and the blimp home, disqualify Trump, and nobody will be left but Haley. Then they can basically install her. If he stays in all the way, suddenly that's not an option for them.

If only Trump really was all he says the guy was (in that he claims to agree with you), then that really would be a serious stumbling block to such a strategy.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Better narrative delivery than Ron, Rand, or Thomas.
Vivek has melanin that would make hypocrites of people screaming about people of color....
He is Smart, well spoken, has the right message, young, has money. I want him as my ally not my enemy. I can't think of one person in politics that deserves more support than Vivek. If I don't want to donate money or time, the least I could do is speak out that he sounds good to me and in my opinion is the best candidate I have seen in my lifetime.

It would be very interesting to see the Treatment of a President Ramaswamy.
I say he is better than Trump is, or could ever be. He counters everything with cohesive narrative, intellect, and current law, rather than personal attack and insults.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

"Im not sure how much time America has left" with Vivek Ramaswamy | The Roseanne Barr Podcast #29

 

[Occam's Banana]

"Im not sure how much time America has left" with Vivek Ramaswamy | The Roseanne Barr Podcast #29

https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1743414621078258069

https://twitter.com/primalpoly/status/1743437337860898964
& https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1743508353995702381

 

[osan]

Once you reach a certain age, say kids out of the nest +10, finding a good hill to die on isn't that unusual in corrupt times.

In the meanwhile, he's right. Ramaswamy is the only thing in this race so far, that I know of, from any party, who is right well more than half the time. Or anywhere near half the time.

Right? Words? Worthless until proven. I hope he proves out, but there seems reason to wonder about it. Time will tell.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Right? Words? Worthless until proven. I hope he proves out, but there seems reason to wonder about it. Time will tell.

Who is the best nominee or person for President?

 

[osan]

No, what they want you to do is shit-talk the one guy in the last 12 years whose express positions are at least 99.5% identical to Ron Paul's.
This dropped 2 hours ago and is not different from what he has been saying all along.

Not sure who "you" are, but it's not me.

Cliffs notes:

-He is running first on the principle of trusting the public with the truth
-We are at an identity crossroads and he still believes our identity is the principles of 1776
-He will not be bowing out of the race to defer to Trump because Trump will be destroyed one way or the other, and we deserve an option
-He is spending more time in Iowa than all the other candidates combined (playing the RP game)
-Strongly pro-life but recognizes the unconstitutionality of a federal abortion ban
-Start making changes day 1 with mass firings - he literally said he wants to be Milei on steroids
-Incremental change is not possible
-Shut down the FBI entirely
-He actively wants Trump's help and would consider him for VP
-Strip pharma companies of their vaccine liability protections
-It's not about him and it's not about Trump, it's about the country
-Correctly pointed out that DeSantis wears a MAGA suit for TV
-"At a certain point, people gotta do their homework and open up their eyes, cause we have a country to save and we don't have a lot of time dickin' around"


If you go watch this you will see a man with Ron Paul's positions who, unlike Ron, is actually serious about running.

All well and good. As I wrote before and more than once, I hope he proves out, but until I see it happen, I will believe nothing. The skeptical position is the only rational position.

I would also point out a couple of things.

Firstly, those are very large claims of what it is he WILL do, as opposed to what me may want to do. I doubt those in his cross hairs will go without fights.

Secondly, the SCOTUS is likely to be called upon to butt in, which as you should well know means there is a wildcard to be played because those foobs cannot be trusted to the end of my nose.

Thirdly, now that he's made public his intentions, which threatens a whole shitload of feds, where would the incentive lie for people to keep the elections straight up? Those pricks have already and almost certainly stolen two major elections. I see no impediment that they face to stop them from doing it again. Indeed, I see every incentive for them to go balls to the walls this time because so much would be at stake, were swami to prove sincere and determined to make good on his promises.

Fourthly, on that otherwise agreeable list, I see no suggestion that he would flay and gut government employee unions. I find this a glaring omission. Of course, if he were to make such an announcement, huge numbers of voters would be fashioning waxen dolls and burnishing their needles to fine points. But if you're going to play the game of bravado, then so far as I am concerned you should go all the way. But I acknowledge he could be playing a strategy with this. Equally likely, he has no intention of dissolving the unions, in which case he is as useful as lips on chickens.

Time will tell. I doubt he will accomplish anything better than split the Trump vote, but again and for at least the fourth time: I may be wrong and pray that I am.

 

[osan]

Who is the best nominee or person for President?

God, please tell me you ask this as a joke.

Assuming you're serious, "best" here is a splitting of hairs in a circumstance that currently dances on the edge of oblivion for all hope for the future of humanity as being anything better than a race of abject slaves whose existences continue but at the whim and deign of people whose entire family lines should be slaughtered.

I don't give a shit if Jesus himself steps up. It's not nearly so much the candidate as the septic tank in which he will be called upon to do his work. Swami, not unlike Trump, can promise me a gold dick. It doesn't mean he will he able to deliver, even if he wants to. Trump fulfilled several of his promises, but he failed to make good on the single most important one - the ONLY one that really mattered: draining the swamp. He had almost limitless NDAA authority to apprehend the traitorous members of Congress, whisk them off to Gitmo, hold drumhead trials, and have them very rapidly hung from their necks until so very thoroughly dead. But he didn't, and that is ALL that matters. All he needed was the military to back him, and my suspicion is that they would have because a vast plurality of Americans would have been on board with it. We could speculate as to why he failed at his only truly important promise, but to what end? All we can do is excuse or condemn, and none of that serves any worthwhile purpose as our land slips away with our freedoms into what used to be. I've written this so many times: the Fuckers are playing for keeps and they will see us all in manacles while we express offense at the suggestion that the time rapidly approaches where killing them and their children will be the only chance remaining to us not to relegate human posterity to nightmare existences.

We will watch it snatched away because we are too rotten to see to our own best interests.

Glad I'm a short-timer because the future looks like it is really going to suck.

 

[Swordsmyth]

God, please tell me you ask this as a joke.

Assuming you're serious, "best" here is a splitting of hairs in a circumstance that currently dances on the edge of oblivion for all hope for the future of humanity as being anything better than a race of abject slaves whose existences continue but at the whim and deign of people whose entire family lines should be slaughtered.

I don't give a $#@! if Jesus himself steps up. It's not nearly so much the candidate as the septic tank in which he will be called upon to do his work. Swami, not unlike Trump, can promise me a gold dick. It doesn't mean he will he able to deliver, even if he wants to. Trump fulfilled several of his promises, but he failed to make good on the single most important one - the ONLY one that really mattered: draining the swamp. He had almost limitless NDAA authority to apprehend the traitorous members of Congress, whisk them off to Gitmo, hold drumhead trials, and have them very rapidly hung from their necks until so very thoroughly dead. But he didn't, and that is ALL that matters. All he needed was the military to back him, and my suspicion is that they would have because a vast plurality of Americans would have been on board with it. We could speculate as to why he failed at his only truly important promise, but to what end? All we can do is excuse or condemn, and none of that serves any worthwhile purpose as our land slips away with our freedoms into what used to be. I've written this so many times: the $#@!ers are playing for keeps and they will see us all in manacles while we express offense at the suggestion that the time rapidly approaches where killing them and their children will be the only chance remaining to us not to relegate human posterity to nightmare existences.

We will watch it snatched away because we are too rotten to see to our own best interests.

Glad I'm a short-timer because the future looks like it is really going to suck.

Trump knows the ropes better now and wants revenge.
That's the best argument for him.
Even if Ramaswampy is sincere, he has no experience in dealing with the swamp, unlike Ron Paul and now Trump, he also lacks the personal anger that Trump now has.
Let Ramaswampy prove himself in some lower office or the cabinet post he repeatedly refuses in Trump's administration.
And that's ignoring all his openly bad positions like wanting to send jobs overseas with the TPP and bring in millions more of his countrymen to take the jobs that remain here.
Then there is his nonNBC status.

 

[unknown]

https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1743414621078258069

Dayum, that was strong.

Did Trump pardon any of the Jan 6 protesters?

 

[unknown]

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1742671157109604620

Going after the leading candidate.

Does anyone believe her poll numbers? 25%?

But dayum, that was strong.

 

[unknown]

 

[unknown]

Dayum, that was strong.

https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1743073318905790707

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

God, please tell me you ask this as a joke.

Assuming you're serious, "best" here is a splitting of hairs in a circumstance that currently dances on the edge of oblivion for all hope for the future of humanity as being anything better than a race of abject slaves whose existences continue but at the whim and deign of people whose entire family lines should be slaughtered.

I don't give a $#@! if Jesus himself steps up. It's not nearly so much the candidate as the septic tank in which he will be called upon to do his work. Swami, not unlike Trump, can promise me a gold dick. It doesn't mean he will he able to deliver, even if he wants to. Trump fulfilled several of his promises, but he failed to make good on the single most important one - the ONLY one that really mattered: draining the swamp. He had almost limitless NDAA authority to apprehend the traitorous members of Congress, whisk them off to Gitmo, hold drumhead trials, and have them very rapidly hung from their necks until so very thoroughly dead. But he didn't, and that is ALL that matters. All he needed was the military to back him, and my suspicion is that they would have because a vast plurality of Americans would have been on board with it. We could speculate as to why he failed at his only truly important promise, but to what end? All we can do is excuse or condemn, and none of that serves any worthwhile purpose as our land slips away with our freedoms into what used to be. I've written this so many times: the $#@!ers are playing for keeps and they will see us all in manacles while we express offense at the suggestion that the time rapidly approaches where killing them and their children will be the only chance remaining to us not to relegate human posterity to nightmare existences.

We will watch it snatched away because we are too rotten to see to our own best interests.

Glad I'm a short-timer because the future looks like it is really going to suck.

So basically even Jesus would not be able to fulfill his promises?
If nobody can do it, there is no benefit in condemning the one with the most promising narrative.
If anything the swamp has gotten much bigger. Judges, DA's, Congress, Senate, Deep State, Loonies.