Vivek Ramaswamy’s 2024 POTUS campaign

https://fedsoc.org/contributors/vivek-ramaswamy

Mr. Ramaswamy was born and raised in southwest Ohio. He graduated summa cum laude in Biology from Harvard in 2007 and began his career as a successful biotech investor at a prominent hedge fund. Mr. Ramaswamy continued to work as an investor while earning his law degree at Yale.​

Yes, but you didn't answer the question.

[MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] ? You are pro-closed borders, should this guy run, being he is not a Natural Born Citizen?


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?438946-Natural-Born-Citizen-Defined
 
[MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] ? You are pro-closed borders, should this guy run, being he is not a Natural Born Citizen?

At first glance, I don't see an issue.

My understanding of "natural born citizen" is a person born of two parents who are also born citizens, or legal immigrants who have completed the citizenship process.

A person also has to have been born on US soil.

As far as I know he meets those requirements.
 
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Yes, but you didn't answer the question.

[MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] ? You are pro-closed borders, should this guy run, being he is not a Natural Born Citizen?


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?438946-Natural-Born-Citizen-Defined

Well there's nothing in the constitution that prevents someone for running for an office they can't hold. That said...I know little of Ramaswamy. I asked FastGPT and I found this:

Were Vivek Ramaswamy's parents citizens when he was born?

Vivek Ramaswamy's parents were immigrants from India according to the context provided. The context does not specify whether his parents were U.S. citizens or not when he was born. It states:

Ramaswamy was born and raised in Ohio to immigrant parents from India. His father was a General Electric engineer and his mother was a geriatric psychiatrist.

So based on the information given, it is unclear whether Vivek Ramaswamy's parents were U.S. citizens or not at the time of his birth. The context only states that they were immigrants from India.

And...that's what I found doing my own Google search. Interesting article you posted. It would mean Obama isn't a natural born citizen regardless of whether or not he was born in Hawaii. But if Frank Davis was really Obama's father then Obama was a natural born citizen if he was born in Hawaii. The GOP should have stuck with that and downplayed the whole "battling birth certificates" saga.

And then there's the question of whether or not the 14th amendment changes the definition of "natural born citizen." (U.S. News article that makes the case that dreamer is more of a natural born citizen than Ted Cruz or John McCain who were born outside of America to American parent.) There at least 3 problems with the 14th amendment. 1) It was later construed to confer birthright citizenship. 2) it made it illegal to question the national debt and (section 3) and 3) it was later misconstrued to confer birthright citizenship.

I would have written it as follows. "All persons who were slaves or descendants of slave in the United States prior to the passage of the 13th Amendment are U.S. citizens."

But...I wasn't there.
 
At first glance, I don't see an issue.

My understanding of "natural born citizen" is a person born of two parents who are also born citizens, or legal immigrants who have completed the citizenship process.

A person also has to have been born on US soil.

As far as I know he meets those requirements.



Well there's nothing in the constitution that prevents someone for running for an office they can't hold. That said...I know little of Ramaswamy. I asked FastGPT and I found this:



And...that's what I found doing my own Google search. Interesting article you posted. It would mean Obama isn't a natural born citizen regardless of whether or not he was born in Hawaii. But if Frank Davis was really Obama's father then Obama was a natural born citizen if he was born in Hawaii. The GOP should have stuck with that and downplayed the whole "battling birth certificates" saga.

And then there's the question of whether or not the 14th amendment changes the definition of "natural born citizen." (U.S. News article that makes the case that dreamer is more of a natural born citizen than Ted Cruz or John McCain who were born outside of America to American parent.) There at least 3 problems with the 14th amendment. 1) It was later construed to confer birthright citizenship. 2) it made it illegal to question the national debt and (section 3) and 3) it was later misconstrued to confer birthright citizenship.

I would have written it as follows. "All persons who were slaves or descendants of slave in the United States prior to the passage of the 13th Amendment are U.S. citizens."

But...I wasn't there.


The Law of Nations: Or, Principles of the Law of Nature Applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns - Emer De Vattel

Chapter 19, Section 212 - Citizens and Natives (p.101)

"The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence to what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the father is therefore that of the children."

Justice Marshall's opinion reiterates this definition. Only an amendment would alter this, which has been repeatedly attempted but so far has failed.

Fact: The US Constitution requires the president to be a NATURAL-BORN CITIZEN

Fact: John Jay wrote a letter to George Washington suggesting the requirement be made.

Fact: The description of natural-born citizen was derived from Vattel's work, Law of Nations § 212

Fact: In the SCOTUS decision, The Venus, 1814, Justice Marshall defines 'natural-born citizen' using Vattel's work, but in his own words saying, (#123) 'Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says, 'the citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or indigenes, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.'

http://openjurist.org/12/us/253/the-venus-rae-master

Fact: During the 2nd Session of the 37th Congress in 1862, Mr. Bingham defined 'natural-born citizen' on the House floor and none disputed his definition:

"The Constitution leaves no room for doubt upon this subject. The words "natural-born citizen of the United States" occur in it, and the other provision also occurs in it that "Congress shall have power to pass a uniform system of naturalization." To naturalize a person is to admit him to citizenship. Who are natural-born citizens but those born within the Republic? Those born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth - natural-born citizens. There is no such word as white in the Constitution. Citizenship, therefore, does not depend upon complexion say more than it depends upon the rights of election or of office. All from other lands, who, by the terms of the laws and a compliance with the provisions becomes naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural-born citizens."


Well, the country is so far gone anyway, the issue of NBC is just yet another thing of the past. It's whatever suits folks at the present time, right?


BTW, Obama, and Vivek Ramaswamy, are NOT Natural Born Citizens.
 
Well, the country is so far gone anyway, the issue of NBC is just yet another thing of the past. It's whatever suits folks at the present time, right?


BTW, Obama, and Vivek Ramaswamy, are NOT Natural Born Citizens.

Obama certainly is not.

I have not looked closely at Ramaswamy.
 
Well, the country is so far gone anyway, the issue of NBC is just yet another thing of the past. It's whatever suits folks at the present time, right?


BTW, Obama, and Vivek Ramaswamy, are NOT Natural Born Citizens.

That's not what I said! And I read your article. You're ignoring this:

The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

If Vivak's parents were naturalized citizens when he was born in Ohio then he's a natural born citizen by the criteria you put forward. If they were not then he is not by the criteria you put forward. So, do you have evidence to prove that Vivak's parents had not be naturalized before he was born?
 
That's not what I said! And I read your article. You're ignoring this:

The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

If Vivak's parents were naturalized citizens when he was born in Ohio then he's a natural born citizen by the criteria you put forward. If they were not then he is not by the criteria you put forward. So, do you have evidence to prove that Vivak's parents had not be naturalized before he was born?

And... here we go again :up: :tears:


Perhaps reread the entire essay. Simply put, at the end of the essay that I provided:

All from other lands, who, by the terms of the laws and a compliance with the provisions becomes naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural-born citizens."
 
And... here we go again :up: :tears:


Perhaps reread the entire essay. Simply put, at the end of the essay that I provided:
All from other lands, who, by the terms of the laws and a compliance with the provisions becomes naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural-born citizens."

Okay. So you're arguing that Vivak's parents had dual citizenship after being naturalized? Source? Because what you quoted does not say that a son of immigrants who became naturalized citizens is not a natural born citizen. Read what you quoted yourself again.
 
Here ya go:
His mother is a geriatric psychiatrist, and his Father is a doctor. They immigrated to the U.S. in the 1970s; their native countries are Tamil Nadu and India.

https://tvshowstars.com/meet-vivek-g...maswamy-vivek/

That doesn't say they didn't become naturalized citizens prior to Vivak's birth or that they retained dual citizenship. Alexander Issaiévich Soljenítsin's native country was the USSR, but as a defector he owed no allegiance to it.

Also if you use INDENT tags instead of QUOTE tags when you quote your sources it's easier for people to respond to you.
 
Okay. So you're arguing that Vivak's parents had dual citizenship after being naturalized? Source? Because what you quoted does not say that a son of immigrants who became naturalized citizens is not a natural born citizen. Read what you quoted yourself again.

What I am saying is:


His mother is a geriatric psychiatrist, and his Father is a doctor. They immigrated to the U.S. in the 1970s; their native countries are Tamil Nadu and India.

https://tvshowstars.com/meet-vivek-ganapathy-and-geetha-ramaswamy-vivek/

And:


In other words, a natural born citizen means at least a second generation citizen of the country. Vattel's own note on the margin of his book refers to the Roman law: NEMO PLUS JURIS TRANSFERRE POTEST, QUAM IPSE HABET, meaning "No one can give more rights than he himself has" (by Dr. A. Altec).

All from other lands, who, by the terms of the laws and a compliance with the provisions becomes naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural-born citizens."​



Thanks for the INDENT tip ;-)
 
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What I am saying is:


His mother is a geriatric psychiatrist, and his Father is a doctor. They immigrated to the U.S. in the 1970s; their native countries are Tamil Nadu and India.

https://tvshowstars.com/meet-vivek-ganapathy-and-geetha-ramaswamy-vivek/

And:


In other words, a natural born citizen means at least a second generation citizen of the country. Vattel's own note on the margin of his book refers to the Roman law: NEMO PLUS JURIS TRANSFERRE POTEST, QUAM IPSE HABET, meaning "No one can give more rights than he himself has" (by Dr. A. Altec).

All from other lands, who, by the terms of the laws and a compliance with the provisions becomes naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural-born citizens."​



Thanks for the INDENT tip ;-)

Using your logic, nobody is ever a natural born citizens. "No one can give more rights than he himself has." So. Your immigrant great grandfather could not bestow the right to be president on his son, who could not bestow it on his son and so on. Also you keep using a term you have not actually defined. "Owing allegiance to another country." Someone who has renounced his previous citizenship owes no allegiance to that country. He can't be taxed by that country. He can't be drafted into that country's army. Putting the same undefined or misdefined terms in bold doesn't change anything. And you're welcome regarding the indent tip.
 
Using your logic, nobody is ever a natural born citizens. "No one can give more rights than he himself has." So. Your immigrant great grandfather could not bestow the right to be president on his son, who could not bestow it on his son and so on. Also you keep using a term you have not actually defined. "Owing allegiance to another country." Someone who has renounced his previous citizenship owes no allegiance to that country. He can't be taxed by that country. He can't be drafted into that country's army. Putting the same undefined or misdefined terms in bold doesn't change anything. And you're welcome regarding the indent tip.


Person's parents are born and citizens of another country, even if they eventually become citizens here. Person is born in the U.S. Therefore, Person is first gen citizen, thus Non-NBC.

Person's parents are born in the U.S. Person is born in the U.S. Therefore, Person is second gen citizen, thus NBC.

That's the way that I read and understand it.


I question whether naturalized is enough to meet the requirement, but at least his parents are called into question:


March 08, 2023

While Ramaswamy and Haley were indisputably born in the United States, there is a lack of evidence that either set of parents naturalized as U.S. citizens prior to the candidate’s birth on U.S. soil. Both candidates’ parents happen to hail from India.

After Barack Obama declared his presidential candidacy in February 2007, controversy arose given that his claimed father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., was for his entire life a foreign citizen, first of Great Britain via his birth in the then-British colony of Kenya in 1934, and later, of Kenya after it achieved independence in late 1963. Although varying narratives of the younger Obama’s life story abound, it has been consistently reported, and Obama II has never denied, that his father never became a U.S. citizen, having been forced to leave the country after Harvard refused to allow him to finish his studies, according to government documents.

https://www.thepostemail.com/2023/03/08/the-natural-born-question-will-it-be-answered/
 
Person's parents are born and citizens of another country, even if they eventually become citizens here.

Unless they renounce their citizenship to their previous country. You keep leaving that part out. We don't know if his parents are dual citizens or not.

Person is born in the U.S. Therefore, Person is first gen citizen, thus Non-NBC.

Person's parents are born in the U.S. Person is born in the U.S. Therefore, Person is second gen citizen, thus NBC.

That's the way that I read and understand it.


I question whether naturalized is enough to meet the requirement, but at least his parents are called into question:

Fair enough. So by the definition of the 18th century source you cited he might not be a natural born citizen. Then again he might.
 
Unless they renounce their citizenship to their previous country. You keep leaving that part out. We don't know if his parents are dual citizens or not.



Fair enough. So by the definition of the 18th century source you cited he might not be a natural born citizen. Then again he might.

:up: :)
 
Ramaswamy's tweet ends: "They said it violated their policies relating to 'misinformation, hate speech, and violence.' Sad but not surprising."

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1661879006470238209
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The Anti-woke Candidate
Presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy says America’s in a “national identity crisis.”
Four symptoms: “woke-ism”… "transgender-ism”… "climate-ism”…“Covid-ism.”
Here is our full interview:

https://rumble.com/v2njne6-the-anti-woke-candidate.html


From the description of the YouTube release of the same interview:
Vivek Ramaswamy: The Full Interview on Wokeness, Free Speech, destructive ESG & the Climate Cult.

Vivek Ramaswamy is a successful entrepreneur who created a biotech company. Now he’s running for president.

“As a businessperson, you're saving lives…why politics?” I ask.

"I think there is an opportunity to drive a national revival in our country,” he tells me. "I couldn't think of a better way to do it than to...get elected U.S. president.”

Ramaswamy is obviously a long shot, but his arguments--that America has become a nation of victims, and that some on Wall St now collude with government to cripple capitalism--made me want to learn more about him.

Here is our full interview.
 
Vivek Ramaswamy (running for president)

Vivek Ramaswamy was born to immigrant parents from India August 9, 1985 in Cincinnati, Ohio. Religion: Hindu


Vivek Ramaswamy - Co-founder of Campus Venture Network (2007-2009); partner at hedgefund QVT Financial (2007-2014). Founder and CEO of Roivant Sciences Pharmaceutical Corporation (2014-2021); co-founder and executive chairman of Strive Asset Management (2022-present).


Vivek Ramaswamy: “I feel like I recoil when I see someone describe me as a conservative,” he told an interviewer. “Not that there’s anything wrong with being a conservative. It’s just not how I would describe myself.”


Vivek Ramaswamy: “I am taking the Trump America first agenda to the next level to actually get the job done,” he recently told a reporter https://indianexpress.com/article/w...erica-first-agenda-to-the-next-level-8475100/


PharmaVoice profiled Ramaswamy, noting that his calls for the United States to get tough on “Chinese business appear to be newly held, as two of Roivant’s subsidiaries during his time leading the company … notably focused on the innovations of medicine in China and for patients across Asia.

In its profile of Ramaswamy, Business Insider highlighted the fact that he “moonlighted as a rapper” while he was an undergraduate at Harvard.


Vivek Ramaswamy joined QVT Financial, where he slowly made a name for himself with a simple “buy low, sell high strategy.” In one notable example of this approach, he bought shares of the New Jersey-based Pharmasset in 2008 at $5 apiece, and then was a top shareholder by the time Gilead bought the company for $137 a share four years later.

Then, in 2014, he left QVT to found Roivant with a goal to “reduce the average time and cost of the drug development process”.

In a model Ramaswamy dubbed the “Berkshire Hathaway of drug development,” Roivant was designed to spin out smaller, highly focused subsidiary companies.

When one of the company’s first “vants” — Axovant — launched with what was at the time the biggest IPO in U.S. Biotech history (it’s now been surpassed by Moderna), Ramaswamy canceled his honeymoon to ring the bell at the New York Stock Exchange. During his tenure as CEO, a role he stepped down from in 2021, Ramaswamy oversaw the FDA approval of five medications.


Although as a Biotech CEO Ramaswamy signed a 2017 letter supporting the “principles and best practices to increase gender diversity” in the life sciences industry, just five years later Ramaswamy became a mouthpiece against similar goals.


To fight the fentanyl crisis, Ramaswamy said he would consider a “military assault” of Mexican drug cartels using airstrikes, drone attacks and special forces operations.

Despite his background in Pharma and recent debates over how the federal government should handle drug pricing, Ramaswamy has yet to release a policy platform on the issue, or other issues directly impacting the drug industry.


https://www.pharmavoice.com/news/vivek-ramaswamy-2024-president-anti-woke-biotech-roivant/643559/

https://www.cfr.org/blog/meet-vivek-ramaswamy-republican-presidential-candidate
 
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