fisharmor
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Five Republican candidates for governor, Lt governor, and AG have refused to return VCDL's gun rights position survey.
Several candidates - including Youngkin, who is running for governor and currently has the best visibility - have have left no trace of what their actual positions are.
Even more candidates have made their rallying cry here "I'm not a Democrat" and they're expecting that to be enough to get people to turn out at the polls.
And speaking of which, nobody has talked about election integrity here - I mean those who have been actually looking into what happened all realize at this point there are pretty much two types of states, leftist states, and states with election integrity. No attempt here to get in front of that. (Correction - one Lt Governor candidate, Maeve Rigler, is calling for keeping voter ID here.)
But the thing that's sealing the deal is that VA is going to be the 16th state to go recreational on pot. Here's the bill....
https://lis.virginia.gov/000/senatecannabisgovernorsub.pdf
It's being touted as necessary for social justice - they even moved up the effective date presumably to stop arresting black people for pot.
I read through the bill and here's the kind of bullshit Democrats call "social justice".
1) The bill specifically says any marijuana with THC content greater than 0.6% will be destroyed. A medium THC content for a particular strain is listed as 14-16% on retail sites. There's a testing discrepancy here which isn't resolved in the bill. Even using what is obviously the state's intended test, 0.6% is pretty low. So we're officially going to be the "3.2 beer only" state. § 3.2-4114.2
2) It will be literally impossible to get a license to both grow and sell. They've segregated growing, wholesaling, and retailing into distinct functions with different licenses and no entity can have more than one. § 4.1-805
3) There is a TON of stuff in there about alcohol that I didn't even read, but alcohol law is changing a bunch and they obviously snuck it in.
4) If you're not licensed, you can have four plants. The number of plants you can have shall be four, and thou shalt not exceed four plants. They also can't be seen from outside your property. § 4.1-1101
The penalties for owning more than four plants increase with the larger number of plants. If you get caught with over 100, then it's an automatic felony.
So if you're genuinely interested in the horticulture, you can forget hobby husbandry in Virginia, because as I understand it, developing cultivars generally requires lots and lots of starts and no matter how big the plant is, it counts. There will be no new strains coming from Virginia except perhaps from big corporate farms, who will only have commercial interests revolving around getting high.
And even if your interest is getting high, you can't grow from cuttings from a healthy plant this way and have to keep buying seeds which are like $10 PER SEED and generally only come from sketchy websites that prefer crypto payments.
There is also no distinction drawn between growing for recreational vs. industrial purposes. If you're one of those fiber arts nerds, you can still forget it, unless you can make a shirt with four 3 foot tall plants that fit behind your fence.
5) There is a specific penalty for driving a school bus with school kids in it while high and it is less severe than having 100 plants. § 4.1-1110
6) If you put in a security door on your licensed warehouse grow building (which might have $3M in stock inside) , and you somehow screwed up in the byzantine labyrinth of new regulations, and the cops manage to get a warrant to search your property, that security door is now a "fortified drug house" and that's an extra class 5 felony and potentially 10 years in prison. § 4.1-1114
7) All products will have a MOTHERFUCKING TWENTY-ONE PERCENT TAX. § 4.1-1003 There are also options for local taxes on top of that.
8 ) If illegal retail marijuana is being conveyed in a steamboat the cops don't need a warrant to search, but if it's in a barge, they do need a warrant. I'm not fucking kidding, that's in § 4.1-1305. I'm definitely oversimplifying that section because frankly it's impenetrable.
This is the social justice we've been given here.... a complete goat screw of legal mumbo jumbo.
The Republican Party in VA has some serious drug baggage in its history, and I can't see them just letting this go. Any libertarian-leaning person can see there's some obvious bullshit in here and whereas "conservatives" could have argued against the regulatory nightmare that's just going to keep the War on Drugs going ( and negates the stated intent of the Democrats ), instead they've focused on BS like how there is apparently some Affirmative Action type of stuff and mentions of unionization in the bill.
Anyway, just thought I'd show up for the first time in years and ask if anyone has any suggestions for somewhere nice I can get a 4/2 with a couple acres and broadband for under 400k. It's gonna get pretty bad here. (Don't get me wrong, I'm gonna be growing my four plants too while I'm still here.)
Several candidates - including Youngkin, who is running for governor and currently has the best visibility - have have left no trace of what their actual positions are.
Even more candidates have made their rallying cry here "I'm not a Democrat" and they're expecting that to be enough to get people to turn out at the polls.
And speaking of which, nobody has talked about election integrity here - I mean those who have been actually looking into what happened all realize at this point there are pretty much two types of states, leftist states, and states with election integrity. No attempt here to get in front of that. (Correction - one Lt Governor candidate, Maeve Rigler, is calling for keeping voter ID here.)
But the thing that's sealing the deal is that VA is going to be the 16th state to go recreational on pot. Here's the bill....
https://lis.virginia.gov/000/senatecannabisgovernorsub.pdf
It's being touted as necessary for social justice - they even moved up the effective date presumably to stop arresting black people for pot.
I read through the bill and here's the kind of bullshit Democrats call "social justice".
1) The bill specifically says any marijuana with THC content greater than 0.6% will be destroyed. A medium THC content for a particular strain is listed as 14-16% on retail sites. There's a testing discrepancy here which isn't resolved in the bill. Even using what is obviously the state's intended test, 0.6% is pretty low. So we're officially going to be the "3.2 beer only" state. § 3.2-4114.2
2) It will be literally impossible to get a license to both grow and sell. They've segregated growing, wholesaling, and retailing into distinct functions with different licenses and no entity can have more than one. § 4.1-805
3) There is a TON of stuff in there about alcohol that I didn't even read, but alcohol law is changing a bunch and they obviously snuck it in.
4) If you're not licensed, you can have four plants. The number of plants you can have shall be four, and thou shalt not exceed four plants. They also can't be seen from outside your property. § 4.1-1101
The penalties for owning more than four plants increase with the larger number of plants. If you get caught with over 100, then it's an automatic felony.
So if you're genuinely interested in the horticulture, you can forget hobby husbandry in Virginia, because as I understand it, developing cultivars generally requires lots and lots of starts and no matter how big the plant is, it counts. There will be no new strains coming from Virginia except perhaps from big corporate farms, who will only have commercial interests revolving around getting high.
And even if your interest is getting high, you can't grow from cuttings from a healthy plant this way and have to keep buying seeds which are like $10 PER SEED and generally only come from sketchy websites that prefer crypto payments.
There is also no distinction drawn between growing for recreational vs. industrial purposes. If you're one of those fiber arts nerds, you can still forget it, unless you can make a shirt with four 3 foot tall plants that fit behind your fence.
5) There is a specific penalty for driving a school bus with school kids in it while high and it is less severe than having 100 plants. § 4.1-1110
6) If you put in a security door on your licensed warehouse grow building (which might have $3M in stock inside) , and you somehow screwed up in the byzantine labyrinth of new regulations, and the cops manage to get a warrant to search your property, that security door is now a "fortified drug house" and that's an extra class 5 felony and potentially 10 years in prison. § 4.1-1114
7) All products will have a MOTHERFUCKING TWENTY-ONE PERCENT TAX. § 4.1-1003 There are also options for local taxes on top of that.
8 ) If illegal retail marijuana is being conveyed in a steamboat the cops don't need a warrant to search, but if it's in a barge, they do need a warrant. I'm not fucking kidding, that's in § 4.1-1305. I'm definitely oversimplifying that section because frankly it's impenetrable.
This is the social justice we've been given here.... a complete goat screw of legal mumbo jumbo.
The Republican Party in VA has some serious drug baggage in its history, and I can't see them just letting this go. Any libertarian-leaning person can see there's some obvious bullshit in here and whereas "conservatives" could have argued against the regulatory nightmare that's just going to keep the War on Drugs going ( and negates the stated intent of the Democrats ), instead they've focused on BS like how there is apparently some Affirmative Action type of stuff and mentions of unionization in the bill.
Anyway, just thought I'd show up for the first time in years and ask if anyone has any suggestions for somewhere nice I can get a 4/2 with a couple acres and broadband for under 400k. It's gonna get pretty bad here. (Don't get me wrong, I'm gonna be growing my four plants too while I'm still here.)
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