Virgin Islands Explained (Did Paul win? Not really, but kind of.)

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http://vigop.com/2012/03/vi-gop-2012-caucus-results-coming-soon/

This is right:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...rgin-Islands&p=4269423&viewfull=1#post4269423

They are reporting the popular vote for each delegate and then combining it. That's not the popular vote for the candidates themselves. I'm assuming they didn't have a preference poll and just voted for the delegates. In the actual vote, Paul got the most combined delegate votes. But after the vote, one of the uncommitteds said he supports Romney.

So Ron Paul kind of won... but also he kind of didn't...
 
He got the most votes. How is this different from any state where others win, when RON gets the most delegates?

It is a win.
 
He won according to how the establish and MSM has been counting it - by popular vote. Being the hypocrites they are though, I'm sure they'll count delegates this time.

That's why we need to get "Ron Paul won the VI" spreading ASAP
 
OK I read the rules and it seems that switching after the election is not addressed. This seems odd because a candidate running as uncommitted may not have gotten votes if he/she was for a specific candidate.

The good news:
Those Delegate Candidates receiving the six highest vote totals shall be certified as Delegates.
Those Delegate Candidates receiving the next six highest vote totals shall be certified as Alternates.
We did get 2 Alternates

2 others uncommitted and 1 for Grinch and santo each
 
http://vigop.com/2012/03/vi-gop-2012-caucus-results-coming-soon/

This is right:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...rgin-Islands&p=4269423&viewfull=1#post4269423

They are reporting the popular vote for each delegate and then combining it. That's not the popular vote for the candidates themselves. I'm assuming they didn't have a preference poll and just voted for the delegates. In the actual vote, Paul got the most combined delegate votes. But after the vote, one of the uncommitteds said he supports Romney.

So Ron Paul kind of won... but also he kind of didn't...

Who needs the MSM?
 
OK I read the rules and it seems that switching after the election is not addressed. This seems odd because a candidate running as uncommitted may not have gotten votes if he/she was for a specific candidate.

The good news:

We did get 2 Alternates

2 others uncommitted and 1 for Grinch and santo each
^Also good to hear :)
 
Are you a Romney bot?

Why? Because I am pointing out a fact? It IS different from a regular caucus process. That is all I am saying. If you can't except that, then you are a Paul bot...and being a "bot" for anyone is not good. You need to be a human being supporter.


Scott_in_PA...according to Wikipedia, candidates are bound if they declared. So it seems like the uncommitteds can choose whoever they want but people can't switch. That makes it surprising that 3 uncommitteds won.
 
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Hm, I'm confused. How come our votes for delegates didn't result in more delegates? Was some sort of tactical error made, like too many Ron Paul delegates running or something?
 
Hm, I'm confused. How come our votes for delegates didn't result in more delegates? Was some sort of tactical error made, like too many Ron Paul delegates running or something?

Yes. :(

BTW, can we bury this anti-Paul thread now? ;)
 
Hm, I'm confused. How come our votes for delegates didn't result in more delegates? Was some sort of tactical error made, like too many Ron Paul delegates running or something?

No. We were the only ones to file the right number of delegates (6). Each voter is allowed to vote for 6 delegates. Theoretically, if all the Ron Paul supporters voted for all six Ron Paul delegates, we probably would have won all six delegates. However, some Ron Paul supporters probably voted for a mix of Ron Paul and Uncommitted delegates.
 
Why? Because I am pointing out a fact? It IS different from a regular caucus process. That is all I am saying. If you can't except that, then you are a Paul bot...and being a "bot" for anyone is not good. You need to be a human being supporter.

Just checking... There are a lot of trolls on here lately.
 
However, some Ron Paul supporters probably voted for a mix of Ron Paul and Uncommitted delegates.
Probably a lot of random voters did that. But yeah, maybe some so-so supporters did, too.

Good job, Virgin Islands. Wonderful job. I don't even know who you are. Wish you were on the forums so we could thank you.
 
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It's great to see the show of support, but let's not get worked up over interpreting the vote count of the Virgin Islands here. As elsewhere, we got X delegates and the value of X is all that matters moving forward.
 
Why? Because I am pointing out a fact? It IS different from a regular caucus process. That is all I am saying. If you can't except that, then you are a Paul bot...and being a "bot" for anyone is not good. You need to be a human being supporter.


Scott_in_PA...according to Wikipedia, candidates are bound if they declared. So it seems like the uncommitteds can choose whoever they want but people can't switch. That makes it surprising that 3 uncommitteds won.

Gingrich and Santorum didn't have full slates of delegates. Some of their supporters likely voted uncommitted.
 
No. We were the only ones to file the right number of delegates (6). Each voter is allowed to vote for 6 delegates. Theoretically, if all the Ron Paul supporters voted for all six Ron Paul delegates, we probably would have won all six delegates. However, some Ron Paul supporters probably voted for a mix of Ron Paul and Uncommitted delegates.


It is something to think about for 2016. Assuming they use the same method, make sure the supporters get the word out to the voters to vote only for the 6. There is no excuse to get just 1 delegate but have the most total votes

Based on both Ron Paul only getting 1 delegate and 2 uncommitted delegates winning, it sort of seems like a lot of people were voting for the delegates, and not any candidate. Obviously technically they were, but I mean, it seems like the voters didn't even care who that delegate was supporting. Maybe these delegates are active in their communities so people voted for THEM. I just can't figure out why anyone would vote for an uncommitted delegate otherwise. Unless maybe the two people declared themselves to be uncommitted officially, but people knew who they planned on voting. Maybe they wouldn't commit just to not be bound in case something came up?)

EDIT: Ahhh...Keith..didn't see your post before I wrote the last couple sentence. I guess that makes sense. Though did they have ANY? It seems weird that a Gingrich or SAntourm supporter would vote an uncommitted delegate but that any of the committed Santorum or Gingrich ones wouldn't get in even the top 12 for alternates. Unless maybe two two uncommitted that made it basically got ALL the Santorum/Gingrich votes. (I doubt there were all that many Santorum or Gingrich voters there to begin with. Especially Gingrich. I think he is in for a rude awakening with some of these upcoming South states that he expects to be cakewalks. I think even the ones he wins will be split enough that he will get at most 60% of the delegates.)



The real question is..what was Romney thinking not making sure to get more than 3 delegates in the running? Is he being too cocky in thinking he didn't need to try harder? Not to be a downer, but if Romney had 3 more delegates, he likely would have won the "popular" vote aswell. Though strangely, it may have cost him a delegate if it split votes. What that really means is...geez Virgin Islands...you conduct your caucuses REALLY strangely!

Is the uncommitted one that pledged to Romney now bound like the other three are? I know if you declared for a candidate before the vote, you are bound but what about pledging after the vote?
 
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