[VIDEO] Sparks Fly!!! TN Tries To Nullify Obama's Gun Control:

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

This JUST happened in the TN Senate, you won't believe what you see:
http://tnga.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=262&clip_id=7223&meta_id=134930


Notice the Governor sends a minion down to say that he'll veto it should it pass. I think Governor Haslam (RINO) just declared war on the 2nd Amendment...

Good. Make him veto it then.

 

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

So I just watched this whole thing and I am somewhat feeling like this is the new rick roll for nerds.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Yup, the woman who followed the Tenth Amendment guy is also great, with her tattered copy of the Federalist papers. It warms my heart to see this level of discussion taking place in a legislature with no Ron Paul in sight!

Agreed. That these conversations are even taking place can be seen as a huge victory for us.

 

[Acala]

These nullification bills shouldn't try to criminalize the actions of Federal Agents. That's a losing proposition at this stage. Instead they should deny any use of state resources - including courts, jails, law enforcement resources - and prohibit any member of the State bar from participating in any prosecution under penalty of pulling their license. And they should officially refuse to recognize any conviction under the Federal law for any purpose.

 

[PaulineDisciple]

These nullification bills shouldn't try to criminalize the actions of Federal Agents. That's a losing proposition at this stage. Instead they should deny any use of state resources - including courts, jails, law enforcement resources - and prohibit any member of the State bar from participating in any prosecution under penalty of pulling their license. And they should officially refuse to recognize any conviction under the Federal law for any purpose.

Are you saying that law enforcement in TN shouldn't try to stop federal agents from arresting a citizen residing within their jurisdiction for exercising their rights? If so, I disagree, since law enforcement take an oath to defend the rights of the citizens within their jurisdiction, criminalizing acts of people operating outside of the law is precisely what they should do.

 

[Matt Collins]

The guy from the Tenth Amendment Center was great! That was maybe the best quick summary of the law of nullification I have ever heard.

This is him:
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/author/michael-maharrey/

 

[WM_in_MO]

Still waiting for sparks.

 

[PursuePeace]

Yup, the woman who followed the Tenth Amendment guy is also great, with her tattered copy of the Federalist papers. It warms my heart to see this level of discussion taking place in a legislature with no Ron Paul in sight!

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[puppetmaster]

Can't watch now but I am excited!

 

[TheTexan]

These nullification bills shouldn't try to criminalize the actions of Federal Agents. That's a losing proposition at this stage. Instead they should deny any use of state resources - including courts, jails, law enforcement resources - and prohibit any member of the State bar from participating in any prosecution under penalty of pulling their license. And they should officially refuse to recognize any conviction under the Federal law for any purpose.

IMO These bills need a secession trigger if the Feds try to enforce illegal gun laws

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Would like to hear more debate about states nullifying Constitutional laws and the procedure to correct this. Seems like a version of the slippery slope argument the Chairman was making.

 

[BSU kid]

After watching the whole thing it was pretty damn interesting, that litigation woman was pretty cool and I learned something about the Federalist Papers.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

IMO These bills need a secession trigger if the Feds try to enforce illegal gun laws

Nullification and Interposition were to be used as mediating devices and prevent radical secession solutions. Secession has way too much baggage to be viable in the 21st century. It would take a couple centuries just to change public sentiment on it and would likely take a black swan type event to serve as a catalyst just to bring it to fruition, let alone implementation. It won't happen within our lifetime.

 

[TheTexan]

Nullification and Interposition were to be used as mediating devices and prevent radical secession solutions.

And if the FedGov gives you a "Well, fuck you" to your "nullification" and makes it worthless, what then?

The secession trigger would either serve as a deterrent from that happening to begin with, or would automatically return sovereignty back to the state which is even better.

Secession has way too much baggage to be viable in the 21st century. It would take a couple centuries just to change public sentiment on it and would likely take a black swan type event to serve as a catalyst just to bring it to fruition, let alone implementation. It won't happen within our lifetime.

Until just recently, states weren't even aware they had rights. Things are moving quickly. Nullification, at it's very essence, is just a partial secession. Nullification and secession have a lot more common than you realize, and as nullification gains more traction -- so will secession.

And when the dollar collapses, do you really believe states like Texas that are donor states and more than capable of handling their own affairs are really going to want to bail out states like California? No, sir.

Not to mention, that when the dollar collapses, the FedGov will almost certainly declare a national emergency and push for gun confiscation. Do you really think Texas is just going to let that happen? Do you really think California is going to just let Texas not let that happen?

No sir. Secession is both necessary and inevitable. You'll see the wisdom in my words in the coming years.

 

[Matt Collins]

bills still alive...interesting...very interesting exchanges. Thanks for posting Matt.

Yeah we are trying to put as much pressure on 1 guy that we can, he is the most likely to flip his vote.

If you want to e-mail him and call him and tell him to change his vote next week, that will be the best thing anyone can do to help us out:
http://capitol.tn.gov/senate/members/s24.html

(615)-741-4576
(731)-986-9742
[email protected]


If anyone can find his cell phone number, the TN Campaign for Liberty is willing to pay good money for it!

 

[Acala]

Are you saying that law enforcement in TN shouldn't try to stop federal agents from arresting a citizen residing within their jurisdiction for exercising their rights? If so, I disagree, since law enforcement take an oath to defend the rights of the citizens within their jurisdiction, criminalizing acts of people operating outside of the law is precisely what they should do.

I am a radical secessionist. I think Tennessee should exit the USA and respond as to an act of war to any incursion of agents of foreign governments that try and impose foreign law in the Republic of Tennessee. But I don't advocate that as a first step.

My suggestion is for a first step that will actually be adopted by a state government at this moment in time. It is going to be hard for any state to pass a law that requires local police to violently confront Federal agents. Biting off more than you can chew just results in the food being spit out. But with small bites, you can eat a buffalo.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

And if the FedGov gives you a "Well, fuck you" to your "nullification" and makes it worthless, what then?

The secession trigger would either serve as a deterrent from that happening to begin with, or would automatically return sovereignty back to the state which is even better.



Until just recently, states weren't even aware they had rights. Things are moving quickly. Nullification, at it's very essence, is just a partial secession. Nullification and secession have a lot more common than you realize, and as nullification gains more traction -- so will secession.

And when the dollar collapses, do you really believe states like Texas that are donor states and more than capable of handling their own affairs are really going to want to bail out states like California? No, sir.

Not to mention, that when the dollar collapses, the FedGov will almost certainly declare a national emergency and push for gun confiscation. Do you really think Texas is just going to let that happen? Do you really think California is going to just let Texas not let that happen?

No sir. Secession is both necessary and inevitable. You'll see the wisdom in my words in the coming years.

History is riddled with failed prophecies. Nullification is not "partial secession".

 

[BAllen]

RP has said he doesn't necessarily advocate secession, but that it's a tool to keep the government in check. The threat can be as effective as the deed itself. That's what I like about him. He understands the concept of checks and balances, and incentives to solve problems.

 

[Acala]

RP has said he doesn't necessarily advocate secession, but that it's a tool to keep the government in check. The threat can be as effective as the deed itself. That's what I like about him. He understands the concept of checks and balances, and incentives to solve problems.

Yup. If you had the undisputed right to peaceful secession at every level, government would never be ABLE to grow out of control so secession would not be needed.

 

[Matt Collins]

Kelsey (Chair) and Campfield (somewhat of a liberty guy) got into a fight near the end. Kesley (Chair) refused to acknowledge Campfield's points of order and other motions. The Governor Haslam (RINO) sent a minion down to say that he wouldnt sign the bill if it passed


Then Kesley wouldn't let the witnesses answer any questions that were being asked by members of the Committee. He answered them instead.


Kelsey ruled that "the nays have it" on a voice vote procedural motion to suspend the rules to allow the witnesses to speak. When Campfield requested the roll call, Kelsey was the only one who voted "nay".


They are scared to death of this bill and are doing whatever they can to kill it.