Video: Ron Paul mulling 2012 run

[Nathan Hale]

if we run paul again, the people will think that we are just a personality cult and only care for the man. if we run totally new people, the people will see that we care for principles and ideals

Tkubic - every word written in the above quoted post should be gospel for all members of the Revolution. The "personality cult logic" is what killed the Reform Party surge - Jesse Ventura spoke at length about it in his book "Don't Start the Revolution Without Me". Ron Paul even spoke about. He tried numerous times in interviews to communicate that the Revolution wasn't about him - he was an open advocate of the movement following a path, not an individual. Ironic, then, that so many in the movement are determined to bring us to ruin despite the warnings of Dr. Paul himself, and history besides.

 

[devil21]

Tkubic - every word written in the above quoted post should be gospel for all members of the Revolution. The "personality cult logic" is what killed the Reform Party surge - Jesse Ventura spoke at length about it in his book "Don't Start the Revolution Without Me". Ron Paul even spoke about. He tried numerous times in interviews to communicate that the Revolution wasn't about him - he was an open advocate of the movement following a path, not an individual. Ironic, then, that so many in the movement are determined to bring us to ruin despite the warnings of Dr. Paul himself, and history besides.

So your solution is instead to field a candidate with less solid credentials and possibly questionable adherence to our idealogy (since no one else has RP's historical devotion to the message) so we don't look like a cult of personality? While I like Jesse Ventura, if you think about how the media was able to successfully portray RP as a "kook" and "fringe", just wait till they get ahold of Jesse. I can't wait to see the 9/11 Truther stuff on Fox News 24/7!

Btw, McCain ran twice as a Republican. Running for President more than once isn't a kiss of death.

ETA: An Obama voting friend of mine actually bought Revolution: A Manifesto last week. People with prior exposure to RP are now realizing he was RIGHT. What's that going to be worth in 2012? Plenty.

 

[Nathan Hale]

So your solution is instead to field a candidate with less solid credentials and possibly questionable adherence to our idealogy (since no one else has RP's historical devotion to the message) so we don't look like a cult of personality?

No. First off, it's possible to field a candidate with far better credentials than Ron Paul. As for ideology, I consider ideology with a broad brush. This movement is, after all, a coalition, not 100% idelogically lockstep. So it's entirely possible for a candidate to have just as much adherence to our ideology while still having a different platform.

While I like Jesse Ventura, if you think about how the media was able to successfully portray RP as a "kook" and "fringe", just wait till they get ahold of Jesse. I can't wait to see the 9/11 Truther stuff on Fox News 24/7!

That's true, trutherism is political cryptonite, and Ventura buried himself with it.

Btw, McCain ran twice as a Republican. Running for President more than once isn't a kiss of death.

First off, McCain was a lot younger when he ran the first time, and like it or not, Paul's age will have a large negative effect on his credibility. Second, unless I missed something, McCain was dead in the water from the moment he won the nomination and everybody knew it.

ETA: An Obama voting friend of mine actually bought Revolution: A Manifesto last week. People with prior exposure to RP are now realizing he was RIGHT. What's that going to be worth in 2012? Plenty.

I have yet to see this huge shift in opinion that would justify fielding Ron Paul again. Perhaps it's out there, but I have yet to see it.

 

[american.swan]

Tkubic - every word written in the above quoted post should be gospel for all members of the Revolution. The "personality cult logic" is what killed the Reform Party surge - Jesse Ventura spoke at length about it in his book "Don't Start the Revolution Without Me". Ron Paul even spoke about. He tried numerous times in interviews to communicate that the Revolution wasn't about him - he was an open advocate of the movement following a path, not an individual. Ironic, then, that so many in the movement are determined to bring us to ruin despite the warnings of Dr. Paul himself, and history besides.

I tend to agree, we need a new face. Ron could run for Texas Governor. If he won that, his endorsement would be huge. Our freedom candidate would win Texas' presidential primary based on the Governor Paul's words.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Paul/ Schiff/ Goldwater/ Johnson

THESE WOULD BE VERY NICE INDEED!

Dr Paul needs to be on the ticket if the others are going to be running mates. I just dont see The others carrying as much weight with the public without him.

There's also Lawson...to some degree

 

[Elwar]

If Ron Paul and another liberty candidate run I would support them both. I would hope that the weaker candidate would step down by the first or second primary and throw full support behind the other for the rest of the primary season and fall in place as the VP.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

We NEED Ron to run in 2012. You guys want someone else to run that can't walk up there and say "I've been right all along." Someone that appeals to EVERYONE here and people in other parties? Come on. This movement is about more than "Ron Paul" but he is the best standard bearer we have by a long shot.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Which issue is harder to overcome; age, or name recognition?

Doug Wead wants RP to run again. I'd imagine those interested in this might want to keep an eye on his blog

http://dougwead.wordpress.com/

I'll respect RP's decision, either way...

 

[ingrid]

I think it's a good idea...as long as he's running to win, not just educate.

 

[Cap]

We NEED Ron to run in 2012. You guys want someone else to run that can't walk up there and say "I've been right all along." Someone that appeals to EVERYONE here and people in other parties? Come on. This movement is about more than "Ron Paul" but he is the best standard bearer we have by a long shot.

+1

 

[Elwar]

We NEED Ron to run in 2012. You guys want someone else to run that can't walk up there and say "I've been right all along." Someone that appeals to EVERYONE here and people in other parties? Come on. This movement is about more than "Ron Paul" but he is the best standard bearer we have by a long shot.

Someone who has voted pro-liberty for every single vote while in office? Voting "No" for any bill that he's had to vote on that has involved expansion of government even while taking political heat for doing so? A Republican and yet still against the Drug War?

You're right, I can only think of two people who fit that definition. Ron Paul and

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Someone who has voted pro-liberty for every single vote while in office? Voting "No" for any bill that he's had to vote on that has involved expansion of government even while taking political heat for doing so? A Republican and yet still against the Drug War?

You're right, I can only think of two people who fit that definition. Ron Paul and

Well, Ron is the only one I can think of at the moment. Who is the other?

 

[Knightskye]

Either Paul, or Johnson.
I'm worried that Paul's age would be an issue with the general population.

Just have him release all his medical records.

He's never had skin cancer, or any other kind, unlike McCain.

By the way, does anyone know if Johnson still wants to police the internet?

 

[Elwar]

Well, Ron is the only one I can think of at the moment. Who is the other?

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com

Vetoed 750 bills (more than the vetoes of all governors in the country at that time, combined) earning him the name Gary "Veto" Johnson.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com

Vetoed 750 bills (more than the vetoes of all governors in the country at that time, combined) earning him the name Gary "Veto" Johnson.

I've looked into Johnson and I don't think he's anywhere close to the league Ron is in....which is why I didn't even consider him in that statement. Some of his flaws are forgivable, in my opinion, if he publicly apologizes for them but I'd rather have Ron run while we still can.

 

[Elwar]

By the way, does anyone know if Johnson still wants to police the internet?

You mean this bill:
http://www.nmlegis.gov/Sessions/98 Regular/bills/senate/SB0127.pdf

Where the attorney general states:
"Our initial intent was to prohibit pedaphiles from luring children"

But was struck down by the ACLU with complaints that keeping children from viewing sites that display sexual language or nudity would prohibit them from being able to view sites for medical purposes or sites with artistic nudist depictions like the statue of David.

Even though in the legislation it clearly states: "harm..." "...considered as a whole, lacks serious literacy, artistic, political and scientific value for minors" as well as "predominantly appeals to the prurient, shameful or morbid interest of minors" and "is patently offensive to prevailing standards in the adult community as a whole with respect to what is suitable material for minors".

I do agree that any regulation of the Internet is a slippery slope but I do think that existing laws against sexual harm to minors should be enforced whether on the Internet or off. Either way it should be left to the states.

And in 1998 the Internets was just starting to stretch its legs.

 

[SPmachina033]

I hate to say it but I think it is a waste because look at what the media did to the poor guy this past campaign. Also he will be 76. John McCain got reamed on his age and he is 72. I doubt anybody wants a president that will be 80 at the end of his first term. I love RP but age has a ton to do with getting elected.

 

[driller80545]

RP is the first and only politician that I trust. I will vote for him anytime, anywhere. I am not a cultist, more of a realist who is tired of the lies.

 

[Nathan Hale]

I've looked into Johnson and I don't think he's anywhere close to the league Ron is in....which is why I didn't even consider him in that statement. Some of his flaws are forgivable, in my opinion, if he publicly apologizes for them but I'd rather have Ron run while we still can.

Of course he's not in Ron's league - he's leagues above. I could run down the CV again, but I'm sure you heard it a thousand times already on these boards. At this point in the game Ron makes for a good VP, his age is too much of an issue for him to be a credible candidate in 2012.

 

[enjoiskaterguy]

Ron is so very special... Those who have met him know what I mean. He is, in my estimation, something like a living angel. I could support someone he endorsed, but nothing would make my heart happier than being able to vote for the good doctor.

I can't agree more...the man is a god-send...I hope Ron Paul picks up the torch again. We need a LEADER....he is that person...we can not keep going back and forth with half-ass candidates like Jesse Venturra (although I like the guy,we must reject him for he will be FAR MORE marginalized than Ron Paul and our efforts will be divided even more so.) Ron Paul has the experience, name recognition, congressional record, and a consistency that NO ONE can match...if he is healthy, alert and energized by our efforts in the 2010 elections he will hopefully return the favor by re-igniting his efforts and run in 2012. The age arguement is irrelevant at this point in time because we can not see what the future lies ahead. I new face isn't always the best thing to do, especially seeing how hard it was to inform people about the alreay marginalized Dr. Paul.Inspiration goes a long way. Lets show DR. NO would we can achieve.