VIDEO: Ron Paul files suit for RonPaul.com (Fox News)

[sailingaway]

No, there were negotiations. When they weren't able to reach an agreement, Ron Paul decided to try to take it by force.

You don't know what triggered the filing nor do any of us.

 

[jj-]

You don't know what triggered the filing nor do any of us.

In general, yes, I do know. The fact that they didn't reach an agreement. Specifically why they didn't reach an agreement, that I don't know.

 

[sailingaway]

In general, yes, I do know. The fact that they didn't reach an agreement. Specifically why they didn't reach an agreement, that I don't know.

nor what happened to make Ron change his mind from negotiating to go this route.

 

[jj-]

nor what happened to make Ron change his mind from negotiating to go this route.

Obviously the fact the he didn't get it. If he got it he wouldn't be trying to seize it through other means.

 

[muh_roads]

Are people actually okay with this? If it is possible to seek the UN to stop something then where does it end?

This is horrible IMO. It makes Ron look very bad.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Are people actually okay with this? If it is possible to seek the UN to stop something then where does it end?

This is horrible IMO. It makes Ron look very bad.

See, that's just sad. I suppose because I think both parties are wrong here it gives me a little insight, but the UN trope is a known exaggerated distortion.

Both sides are in deeply wrong territory here. There is enough propaganda going around that we don't have to add to it.

 

[Pisces]

Didn't one of the stories say that it was Ronnie Paul, the oldest son, who was handling the initial negotiations on this? I haven't taken a side on this because I'm not really familiar with all the facts of the case. It could be that Ron's family thinks that they are protecting their father from what they see as being gouged. I know when parents get to be in their late 70's often times their children get very concerned about their parents being taken advantage of and become very protective of them.

 

[jj-]

See, that's just sad. I suppose because I think both parties are wrong here it gives me a little insight, but the UN trope is a known exaggerated distortion. .

Even if WIPO is literally an agency of the United Nations? Doesn't seem to me like a known exaggerated distortion.

 

[kahless]

UDRP that ICANN uses was developed from the UN's WIPO. You cannot buy a dot com without agreeing to UDRP and process established by ICANN for the resolution of disputes.

Also this: "When a registrant chooses a domain name, the registrant must "represent and warrant", among other things, that registering the name "will not infringe upon or otherwise violate the rights of any third party", and agree to participate in an arbitration-like proceeding should any third party assert such a claim."

 

[newbitech]

Even if WIPO is literally an agency of the United Nations? Doesn't seem to me like a known exaggerated distortion.

someone should tell WIPO to stop exaggerating.

http://www.wipo.int/about-wipo/en/

What is WIPO?[TABLE="width: 100%"]
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[TD="width: 74%"]Our mission is to promote innovation and creativity for the economic, social and cultural development of all countries, through a balanced and effective international intellectual property system.
The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) is the United Nations agency dedicated to the use of intellectual property (patents, copyright,trademarks, designs, etc.) as a means of stimulating innovation and creativity.[/TD]
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ok? want me to post their addresses at UN headquarters in NY or Geneva?

 

[sailingaway]

Are people actually okay with this? If it is possible to seek the UN to stop something then where does it end?

This is horrible IMO. It makes Ron look very bad.

The UN part I have no issue with except that the domain owner and site owner designated them, over some other tribunal, to begin with. But once they were the designated tribunal in the agreement between the domain owner and the site registrant, I don't see any fault in Ron filing in that place. It is filing at ALL that surprises me, but also a 'supporter' smearing Ron as 'going to the UN' all over the internet seems very dodgy to me, and when Ron was first ignoring the claim he had under the domain rules the site registrant agreed to, and was trying to just do 'the fair thing' by buying the site, the registrant apparently tried price gauging. Which isn't exactly acting in the spirit of 'doing the right thing' as Ron seemed to be trying to do.

So I see fault everywhere and claims on both sides. I hope it settles. But that the domain registrant is going out of his way to spin Ron badly in the media, makes me less and less sympathetic towards him. I want Ron to do the right thing and settle, at this point, because of what I expect of Ron.

 

[sailingaway]

someone should tell WIPO to stop exaggerating.

http://www.wipo.int/about-wipo/en/



ok? want me to post their addresses at UN headquarters in NY or Geneva?

Yeah, because the corporation that owns the domain in its site rules which were agreed to and form the basis of site registration SAID to go there. Ron didn't write the agreement between the site owner and the domain.

 

[newbitech]

The UN part I have no issue with except that the domain owner and site owner designated them, over some other tribunal, to begin with. But once they were the designated tribunal in the agreement between the domain owner and the site registrant, I don't see any fault in Ron filing in that place. It is filing at ALL that surprises me, but also a 'supporter' smearing Ron as 'going to the UN' all over the internet seems very dodgy to me, and when Ron was first ignoring the claim he had under the domain rules the site registrant agreed to, and was trying to just do 'the fair thing' by buying the site, the registrant apparently tried price gauging. Which isn't exactly acting in the spirit of 'doing the right thing' as Ron seemed to be trying to do.

So I see fault everywhere and claims on both sides. I hope it settles. But that the domain registrant is going out of his way to spin Ron badly in the media, makes me less and less sympathetic towards him. I want Ron to do the right thing and settle, at this point, because of what I expect of Ron.

wrong, wrong, wrong again.

It is the complainant that picks the arb...

Here is a NON-UN arb based in the US right here

http://www.adrforum.com/

 

[newbitech]

Yeah, because the corporation that owns the domain in its site rules which were agreed to and form the basis of site registration SAID to go there. Ron didn't write the agreement between the site owner and the domain.

wrong see above

Sailing, i really encourage you to do some research. I know you are a passionate supporter and so am I. But really, you can't keep being wrong like this when the information is literally at your fingertips.


http://www.icann.org/en/help/dndr/udrp

that's ICANN

To invoke the policy, a trademark owner should either (a) file a complaint in a court of proper jurisdiction against the domain-name holder (or where appropriate an in-rem action concerning the domain name) or (b) in cases of abusive registration submit a complaint to an approved dispute-resolution service provider (see below for a list and links).

So please drop the invalid defense of Ron Paul that says ronpaul.com signed a contract that he agreed to go to the UN!

In no way shape or form was Ron Paul required, moved to, forced, or compelled to go to the UN!

He had OPTIONS! (probably no one told him, besides the point, or is it?) He CHOSE the UN as the venue, not the other way around.

OK?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

someone should tell WIPO to stop exaggerating.

http://www.wipo.int/about-wipo/en/



ok? want me to post their addresses at UN headquarters in NY or Geneva?

How many .com domains do you hold that are not registered and arbitrated by WIPO?

It's like freaking out because that oxygen-breather is daring to inhale nitrogen. OMG!!!

It's f'n stupid.

 

[newbitech]

How many .com domains do you hold that are not registered and arbitrated by WIPO?

It's like freaking out because that oxygen-breather is daring to inhale nitrogen. OMG!!!

It's f'n stupid.

all of them

 

[PatriotOne]

wrong, wrong, wrong again.

It is the complainant that picks the arb...

Here is a NON-UN arb based in the US right here

http://www.adrforum.com/

No diff. They are service providers to ICANN. Kind of like a subcontractor.

http://www.icann.org/en/help/dndr/udrp/providers

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I hope he isn't. This is a disgrace. They offered him RonPaul.org for free and his lawyers turn them down and then file a complaint for both RonPaul.org and RonPaul.com? That does not seem like the Ron Paul I know.

Like I said, you "This doesn't seem like something Ron Paul would do" people have been wrong plenty of times.

As if you knew...

 

[sailingaway]

wrong, wrong, wrong again.

It is the complainant that picks the arb...

Here is a NON-UN arb based in the US right here

http://www.adrforum.com/

there are a ton of arbitration sites but was that specified in the domain agreement because it said complainants had to use something like one of three listed. And would the US one have jurisdiction over a foreign national residing abroad? I suspect not.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

It has yet to be determined that they violated the agreement. What's clear is that Ron Paul is using bureaucracy instead of the free market to solve his problem.


And you're free to leave the country if you'd prefer not to be bound by the Constitution. Maybe you shouldn't have to, but unless you can find a judge to agree with you and free you from the chains of civilized society, you're kind of stuck. Sorry.

Using bureaucracy? You mean a voluntarily agreed-upon contract signed by the owner? Is that your idea of bureaucracy?

I'm sure we all love to see a good bidding war, but sometimes that's not how things work, free market or not. Ron Paul doesn't have to do everything one-on-one. There are third parties involved in transactions all the time. All Ron Paul is doing is utilizing the agreed-upon method for settling a dispute. Disputes happen in the free market, and this one was in the domain owner's contract, so why is this a problem?

Oh, and spare me with the "If you don't like 'Merica, then yew kin GIT OUT!" gibberish.