VIDEO: Ron Paul files suit for RonPaul.com (Fox News)

[angelatc]

like I said from the start, basically everyone is wrong in this. I hope someone convinces Dr. Paul to try mediating this in the community first. What's all that money anyway if he's only got $100k of that left, and doesn't want to hook it to C4L? who knows what all else. nobody's right here. And we can solve it in the community and bring healing. I know it.

Sure - there were so many win/wins here! He could have hired them to run the site he wants to create, he could have negotiated to sell them exclusive content for a cut of the proceeds, he could have started a money bomb to buy the site....it's crazy that this is the route its ended up taking.

 

[angelatc]

thing is, the complaint says that the guy paid between $9-$30. no mention of the $25k.

but you are right, no reason to go this route at all. it is the worse possible option on many levels. I don't blame the people for seeing dollar signs. the campaign spent over 16 million in marketing and advertising in 2012. whats 250k for people who offered much more than a 30 second tv or radio spot. And look it its true they went from 850k to 250k, umm.. next step is ...

I think the $9 - $30 has to be for either reneweing the domain, or maybe or RonPaul.org.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Well, I saw the response that they sent - I winced when I read it because it didn't sound like they had a lawyer involved in it.

Paul on the other hand, started out by calling them out on Alex Jones' show, then getting Lew Rockwell trash talk, and finally filing suit.

I remember Ron Paul saying quite a while ago he wanted ronpaul.com January 2012? We are probably missing 3/4 of a year's worth of that conversation.

 

[angelatc]

i think the guy running ronpaul.com should allow a site audit by the ron paul grassroots.

Do you think he's really making all that much from it? I know nothing about web marketing, but zazzle pays next to nothing on sales, and I didn't think banner ads generated very much these days either.

I know what he said, but I wonder how much of that was just posturing?

 

[genanmer]

It's very fishy that a leader for the free market didn't behave accordingly. So no negotiations were conducted at all on his part? Will have to wait for an explanation by Ron.

But it's stuff like this that makes people question whether a free market is possible when any group or state exists.. It's very easy and tempting to abuse influence and power in your favor.

 

[newbitech]

Do you think he's really making all that much from it? I know nothing about web marketing, but zazzle pays next to nothing on sales, and I didn't think banner ads generated very much these days either.

I know what he said, but I wonder how much of that was just posturing?

I'd only be guessing. looks like its all zazzle. don't see any banner ads. zazzle is a creative site where you sell your designs and get royalties for the products.
these people were more than likely volunteers IMO and the money they got in the short time they got it probably paid for dedicated hosting and maybe a stipend to the content creators. I doubt he makes or did make a living off this site. Anyways,

an audit would be the only way to know. But I am more interested in sourcing, linkage, traffic, analytic data. A simple profit loss would show the financials, but a true audit would give us details that we are lacking to make a determination from this case.

Those details are why i think the arb case will not be ruled in RP favor. This case ought to be heard by a jury with evidence from both sides.

But dang just resource and the infrastructure need to be preserved at the very least thru documentation or be mirrored.

In fact, I thnk I will gohead and HTTRack this before it does get ghosted.

 

[fr33]

It's very fishy that a leader for the free market didn't behave accordingly. So no negotiations were conducted at all on his part? Will have to wait for an explanation by Ron.

But it's stuff like this that makes people question whether a free market is possible when any group or state exists.. It's very easy and tempting to abuse influence and power in your favor.

Another victim of the media. Let me guess... You think that Ron Paul called the UN to kill his supporters. The media said so.

 

[genanmer]

Another victim of the media. Let me guess... You think that Ron Paul called the UN to kill his supporters. The media said so.

Nope, just haven't heard any reasoning from Ron Paul about this.

Also, you are assuming that I am assuming that Ron Paul is assuming his supporters are a threat large enough to justify killing them. lol, no.

 

[CPUd]

I'd only be guessing. looks like its all zazzle. don't see any banner ads. zazzle is a creative site where you sell your designs and get royalties for the products.
these people were more than likely volunteers IMO and the money they got in the short time they got it probably paid for dedicated hosting and maybe a stipend to the content creators. I doubt he makes or did make a living off this site. Anyways,

an audit would be the only way to know. But I am more interested in sourcing, linkage, traffic, analytic data. A simple profit loss would show the financials, but a true audit would give us details that we are lacking to make a determination from this case.

Those details are why i think the arb case will not be ruled in RP favor. This case ought to be heard by a jury with evidence from both sides.

But dang just resource and the infrastructure need to be preserved at the very least thru documentation or be mirrored.

In fact, I thnk I will gohead and HTTRack this before it does get ghosted.

His traffic turned to shit after the elections:

 

[newbitech]

His traffic turned to shit after the elections:

out of reference, would you mind showing your source with ronpaulforums.com and dailypaul.com

 

[CPUd]

That's coming from the counter app on the bottom of his page. In contrast, this site had around 10,000 yesterday, based on what's at the bottom of the forum index page here.

I would suspect dailypaul gets that much by breakfast.

 

[newbitech]

That's coming from the counter app on the bottom of his page. In contrast, this site had around 10,000 yesterday, based on what's at the bottom of the forum index page here.

I would suspect dailypaul gets that much by breakfast.

ok, i don't see that app. cause the data i have shows a site bit more than 4k a day.

 

[fr33]

Nope, just haven't heard any reasoning from Ron Paul about this.

Also, you are assuming that I am assuming that Ron Paul is assuming his supporters are a threat large enough to justify killing them. lol, no.

I'm a supporter but Ron Paul hasn't done anything to me. Anybody reading the msm doesn't know that though since people using his name have been slandering him lately. The owners of ronpaul.com agreed not to infringe on trademarks, then proceeded to do just that.

 

[CPUd]

On the page, right sidebar near the bottom, click the "see more":

 

[genanmer]

I'm a supporter but Ron Paul hasn't done anything to me. Anybody reading the msm doesn't know that though since people using his name have been slandering him lately. The owners of ronpaul.com agreed not to infringe on trademarks, then proceeded to do just that.

It would have saved him alot of trouble if this was explained along with the communication that occurred between both sides. If no communication occurred, it should have.

 

[nayjevin]

This is so awesome! We get a free news cycle. The fraudsters banking on appearing as an official mouthpiece of Ron Paul for the past 5 years are being outed. And people are learning about contract law!

Additionally, there will soon be something awesome on RonPaul.com, instead of a place for noobs to accidentally donate their money to charlatans.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Do you think he's really making all that much from it? I know nothing about web marketing, but zazzle pays next to nothing on sales, and I didn't think banner ads generated very much these days either.

I know what he said, but I wonder how much of that was just posturing?

I looked into Zazzle and signed up so I can get an idea of the pricing. When you create a product they have a base price that pays a 10% royalty. For a basic white t-shirt the price is $14.95 and the royalty is 10%, you can change the royalty percentage up to 99% and the price will increase. Ronpaul.com is selling a basic white t-shirt for $24.40. Now I cannot tell if Zazzle charges a fixed cost (i.e. $13.46 for a basic white t-shirt) and everything above that is all profit, or if they take a piece of the increased price. But, at that $24.40 price, he is probably making $5 to $10 per shirt.

When you do a search for his major product categories, he has done well with getting his site ranked highly in Google. He is the number one result for "Ron Paul Mugs", "Ron Paul T-Shirts", "Ron Paul Speakers", "Ron Paul Mousepads", "Ron Paul Shoes" and "Ron Paul Ties". He is number two for "Ron Paul Bumperstickers" and "Ron Paul Shirts" and number three for "Ron Paul Posters". Pretty impressive.

From what I understand about Google ads, it is based on your traffic volume. The more traffic the more money you make. He has a decent amount of page views per month, you can see that on his displayed counter and then by clicking it.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I have to wonder if Ron Paul is really behind this.

Doubt very much Ron has much to gain from it and you're probably correct. I've said before that Ron probably doesn't have much of a clue about how these www based "markets" work. Although I'm sure that he does see it as a technological process. I'm not too keen on the old marketing of liberty (the meme) shenanigans.

Very transparent what's here though. Just depends upon how far down the rabbit hole one wishes to go. I'd just as soon kick the dirt back in it.

Liberty is best served on the hoof. Always has been. At least in the truest sense of the language. Anything else is more in tune with recreating terms of controversy and traditional processes. Liberty isn't something that is consumed/sold by strawmen.

 

[Cowlesy]

I think he shouldn't have filed it in the first place, picked up the phone and got it settled. It's amazing what a phone call can accomplish.

THIS.

Now we don't know if that happened or not, but I just have to say, a LOT of context gets lost in e-communication, and usually the best way to get around that issue is just pick up the damned phone.

 

[jj-]

It's very fishy that a leader for the free market didn't behave accordingly. So no negotiations were conducted at all on his part? Will have to wait for an explanation by Ron.

No, there were negotiations. When they weren't able to reach an agreement, Ron Paul decided to try to take it by force.