[Video] Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and Ted Cruz roundtable discussion at YAL convention 7/31/13

Check out Cruz at 4:56-4:57, I wonder if we'll see that snippet in a video someday about the evil Ted Cruz and his nefarious Goldman Sachs wife.

I followed the Texas Senate primary closely and I like Cruz. He's not perfect and I don't trust any politician 100% but I don't understand the hysteria about him from some on the forum. I guess he's doing Rand a favor in a way by absorbing some of the "purity" attacks. Cruz bashing threads are replacing the Rand bashing ones and that is probably a good thing.
 
Rand Paul is an imperfect but still solid conservative that makes some mistakes.

Ted Cruz is a hawk that happens to be fiscally conservative but good on little else.

Rand Paul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted Cruz any day.

Ron Paul is still >>>>>>>>>Rand Paul.
 
Or, to put it another way.

Rand Paul is impure when it comes to the liberty philosophy.

Ted Cruz is quite pure in a different philosophy, but its not our philosophy.

Ted's problem isn't being impure, but being a completely different thing entirely.
 
ctiger2 said:
I find it hard to believe that Cruz was traveling around TX as a highschool kid in the 70's preaching we need to return to the constitution. That seems a bit far fetched to me.
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It's true, and it's not a surprise to me. he's always been an advocate of first principles.
 
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FreedomFanatic said:
Or, to put it another way.

Rand Paul is impure when it comes to the liberty philosophy.

Ted Cruz is quite pure in a different philosophy, but its not our philosophy.

Ted's problem isn't being impure, but being a completely different thing entirely.
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Who the hell is "us?" And who made you spokesman for everyone here?
 
FreedomFanatic said:
Or, to put it another way.

Rand Paul is impure when it comes to the liberty philosophy.

Ted Cruz is quite pure in a different philosophy, but its not our philosophy.

Ted's problem isn't being impure, but being a completely different thing entirely.
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Our philosophy? :rolleyes: What is that, exactly? Sounds a touch like Madam DeFarge meet a libertarian Che... Politics my young friend, is a science of the possible.
 
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If Israel-firstism is the ideology you guys support, count me out of what you guys are doing. Good luck.

I obviously knew better for Eduardo, but I thought the rest of you opposed that sort of thing.
 
FreedomFanatic said:
If Israel-firstism is the ideology you guys support, count me out of what you guys are doing. Good luck.

I obviously knew better for Eduardo, but I thought the rest of you opposed that sort of thing.
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hahaha, you still haven't realized that my avatar is satire?
 
eduardo89 said:
hahaha, you still haven't realized that my avatar is satire?
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Considering you support Ted Cruz and his foreign policy, it doesn't matter.

Ted Cruz is an Israel-firster, not a freedom supporter.

Too bad I can't neg rep you again. Heaven knows you deserve it.
 
FreedomFanatic said:
Rand Paul is an imperfect but still solid conservative that makes some mistakes.

Ted Cruz is a hawk that happens to be fiscally conservative but good on little else.

Rand Paul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted Cruz any day.

Ron Paul is still >>>>>>>>>Rand Paul.
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Ted is great on the second amendment and on civil liberties. Plus, he praises Rand all the time. So I disagree that he's ok on fiscal policy but bad on everything else. It just seems silly to me to spend so much time ranting about how bad Cruz is when he's been so supportive of Rand on civil liberties issues. Cruz backing up Rand makes it impossible for the neo-cons to say that only radical libertarians are worried about drones and the NDAA.
 
I don't understand the hate for Cruz. Hes a great ally on most issues and in general.

I think that Rand was more casual and comfortable at the YAL convention, Cruz is an awesome speaker though.
 
Pisces said:
Ted is great on the second amendment and on civil liberties. Plus, he praises Rand all the time. So I disagree that he's ok on fiscal policy but bad on everything else. It just seems silly to me to spend so much time ranting about how bad Cruz is when he's been so supportive of Rand on civil liberties issues. Cruz backing up Rand makes it impossible for the neo-cons to say that only radical libertarians are worried about drones and the NDAA.
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Cruz's foreign policy leads to the drones and the NDAA. You can't truly separate the two.
 
Don't get me wrong, everyone has their uses, and the only reason I attack Cruz is because people here like him. Nobody is defending guys like Graham, McCain, or Rubio, if they did, I'd attack those guys.

The question is, what kinds of guys are we, as a group, going to endorse as liberty candidates? Will we sell our vote so cheaply for guys like Cruz, or will we demand guys like Rand Paul?
 
eduardo89 said:
Do you even know what NDAA is?
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just ignore him.. he's like a child.. what kind of person attacks another just because the guy in question has had a few good points about him brought up by people around here? this is like stuff a 19 year old does

FreedomFanatic said:
Don't get me wrong, everyone has their uses, and the only reason I attack Cruz is because people here like him
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burp

this new form of trolling? this is like pathological trolling, as in o'relly pathological lying, and even o'relly is improving slightly tho still wrong on many issues
 
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FSP-Rebel said:
Dude, this is one of Ron's main events of the year and Cruz was there as a guest so stop with your witch hunt on Cruz. God, I've never seen someone in particular continually freak out about a known ally of the liberty movement. And if your main stain with Cruz is the Syria comment, then it's weak. He wasn't talking control and conquer, he was talking a quick and easy special forces move. This would be similar to sending mercenaries in under a marque and reprisal mission to accomplish one's goal and in this case it's keeping chem weapons out of hands in a tenuous situation. I would've much rather that Bush did that if in fact there really were those weapons in Iraq than the ensuing war that went on and on and costed untold amounts of money and lives. And he wouldn't have found anything and there wouldn't have been a way in the first place.
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I'm not sure where you got the "sending mercenaries in under a marque and reprisal mission to accomplish one's goal and in this case it's keeping chem weapons out of hands in a tenuous situation" from but this is what General Martin Dempsey the top military officer says about "securing the chemical weapons."

The control of Syria's chemical stocks would require "thousands of special operations forces and other ground forces would be needed to assault and secure critical sites", Dempsey wrote, as well as "a no-fly zone as well as air and missile strikes".
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You sound like George Bush with your "we need to secure the WMD's" argument.

source for quote:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/22/us-military-intervention-syria
 
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