Video of one of Obama's Offices

[Avalon]

Reminds me of the Che RP tshirt a (misguided) supporter came up with: http://www.autodogmatic.com/index.php/a/2007/06/03/ron_paul_for_president_viva_la_constituc
I do like the the "Back to the Constitution" tshirt though (wasn't his idea).

 

[Xyrus2]

Bring Back Senate Communist Hearings !!

McCarthyism, is best left in the grave with it's progenitor. If you want that, vote for McCain, as he is sure to trample all over the Constitution to continue chasing the invisible boogie man.

Terrorism is the new communism.

~X~

 

[rg123]

Its also very representive of Latin Gangs and illegal immigrants from throughout South America. Che shirts and etc. have been showing up in the Middle East now as well. Most of the people who follow him do not really understand what he was all about. Kinda alot like illegal immigrants following Cesar Chavez and yet not understanding the true history which he was against illegal immigration not a supporter of it.

 

[american empire]

xyrus well said.....

more like islamofascism....they will now use this like communism against the defenseless ignoramus americans....most people here don't even understand that communism was used during the coldwar to make the military industrial complex what it is....

i still remember Reagan cheering the taliban as freedom fighters trying to get the soviet "commis" out of their land....look whose on their land now....

sheep i say ....sheep .....you guys too

 

[Cinnaboo]

I don't know much about Che, but here's the dictator he helped overthrow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista

It seems to me that Che Guevara's status in pop culture is as a symbol of rebellion. He's not an idol to be lived up to, merely a man who rose up against oppression. If the revolt alone would earn him a spot on a wall scroll, does it matter what his political ideas were?

How many of you assholes are typing these anti-commie diatribes in front of a wall-to-wall confederate flag? I'm sure some people here consider the bars and stars to be the artifact of nostalgia for states' rights. Not nostalgia for the right to own slaves, but the end of the voluntary nature of our union. Surely you find the racist reasons for secession to be reprehensible, but until then all states were under the impression that they were a part of the United States because of the carrot -- not the stick.

For the record, I do not share these warm and fuzzy feelings and would rather not see that pattern flapping outside reenactments.

Then again, Che Guevara wasn't the nicest of men. It is odd that these Obama supporters didn't decorate their office with someone who lacked obvious moral scars. Such as the founder of civil disobedience!

A general belief seems to prevail in the colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than the savages or natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir.

Kaffir was a blanket term for black southern Africans. It is now used exclusively as an ethnic or racial slur. The original meaning of the word was heathen.

 

[ConstitutionReinstitution]

Ernesto "Che" Guevara was Castro's executioner and mass murderer.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/6/4/141010.shtml
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/5/3/125813.shtml
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/10/4/175241.shtml
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/10/8/222305.shtml
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/8/17/201020.shtml
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/24/212049.shtml

 

[Bruno]

The media attention to this is apparently not going away. I heard one of the national radio updates (not sure what station) just now mentioning the person who put up the flag didn't want to do any interviews.

 

[Justin]

Reminds me of the Che RP tshirt a (misguided) supporter came up with: http://www.autodogmatic.com/index.php/a/2007/06/03/ron_paul_for_president_viva_la_constituc
I do like the the "Back to the Constitution" tshirt though (wasn't his idea).

I was clearly not "misguided" in creating that design. "Misguided" implies I was confused or not aware of all the facts. I clearly stated my position with regard to the purpose of the design. I pointed out the contrast to Che. So "misguided" I was not. Rather, you just disagreed with my premise, which was that it is *good* to hijack the symbols of those you disagree with to further your own ideas.

Turns out, I wasn't the only one who came up with the idea. Furthermore, probably 100 people or so ended up buying the shirt (And I made a donation to the campaign as a result).

I believe the shirt did much more good than harm. The only harm (if you can call it that) came from people who were so blinded by their disgust for Che that they couldn't see how doing something like this made sense -- and those people were already Paul supporters!

 

[Kade]

Sorry kids, commies aren't cool. Especially the kind that's responsible for the murders of thousands of people.

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/p...n=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1

This is basically the equivalent of giving credence to Ron Paul supporters who are White Supremacists.... it's stupid. Those are volunteers of Obama's campaign, not his campaign.

 

[Kade]

I don't know much about Che, but here's the dictator he helped overthrow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista

It seems to me that Che Guevara's status in pop culture is as a symbol of rebellion. He's not an idol to be lived up to, merely a man who rose up against oppression. If the revolt alone would earn him a spot on a wall scroll, does it matter what his political ideas were?

How many of you assholes are typing these anti-commie diatribes in front of a wall-to-wall confederate flag? I'm sure some people here consider the bars and stars to be the artifact of nostalgia for states' rights. Not nostalgia for the right to own slaves, but the end of the voluntary nature of our union. Surely you find the racist reasons for secession to be reprehensible, but until then all states were under the impression that they were a part of the United States because of the carrot -- not the stick.

For the record, I do not share these warm and fuzzy feelings and would rather not see that pattern flapping outside reenactments.

Then again, Che Guevara wasn't the nicest of men. It is odd that these Obama supporters didn't decorate their office with someone who lacked obvious moral scars. Such as the founder of civil disobedience!



Kaffir was a blanket term for black southern Africans. It is now used exclusively as an ethnic or racial slur. The original meaning of the word was heathen.

Clarity. Rare but awesome when I see it...

Che is seen as a "Founding Father" to many, especially in South America... he is an icon of rebellion... he ultimately left Cuba over his disagreement with Fidel's dictatorship of it...

I don't support his ideals, but I always am willing to confront all aspects and cultures, instead of instantly shying away from them, like so many people here are willing to do... There is something in everyone that we can find to disagree with on, how about we look for things that we could agree on?

 

[Justin]

Reminds me of the Che RP tshirt a (misguided) supporter came up with: http://www.autodogmatic.com/index.php/a/2007/06/03/ron_paul_for_president_viva_la_constituc
I do like the the "Back to the Constitution" tshirt though (wasn't his idea).

I was clearly not "misguided" in creating that design. "Misguided" implies I was confused or not aware of all the facts. I clearly stated my position with regard to the purpose of the design. I pointed out the contrast to Che. So "misguided" I was not. Rather, you just disagreed with my premise, which was that it is *good* to hijack the symbols of those you disagree with to further your own ideas.

Turns out, I wasn't the only one who came up with the idea. Furthermore, probably 100 people or so ended up buying the shirt (And I made a donation to the campaign as a result).

I believe the shirt did much more good than harm. The only harm (if you can call it that) came from people who were so blinded by their disgust for Che that they couldn't see how doing something like this made sense -- and those people were already Paul supporters!

 

[WilliamC]

But the media would have jumped to say something had it been in a Ron Paul office. Not a word otherwise. That's the real hypocricy.

You got it.

Had someone in a Ron Paul campaign office been seen with a confederate flag and the news caught it all hell would have broken lose.

Obama can have a communist flag in his office and no one cares.

 

[aravoth]

It's a communist/marxist flag above one of the staffers desk and the news doesn't really think anything about it, they mentioned nothing, it's just there. (Article on it: http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2008/02/obama-office-pr.html)

BUT I think it's really hypocritical for us to gasp and moan about this when we have the same type of people causing others to gasp and moan about us.

rofl come on, we'd hang a photo of the siging of the declaration, or the gasden flag, lol, hardley some shit like that.

But alas, they are only supporters and not the official campaign, and they can put whatever the hell they want on that wall.

 

[theantirobot]

one guy in the video said "Barack Obama has a movement." I wanted to scream at him," a movement towards what?"

 

[Bruno]

one guy in the video said "Barack Obama has a movement." I wanted to scream at him," a movement towards what?"

I think he was referring to a bowel movement, but I can't be sure.

 

[mdmike]

You got it.

Had someone in a Ron Paul campaign office been seen with a confederate flag and the news caught it all hell would have broken lose.

Obama can have a communist flag in his office and no one cares.

Oh please. I can't stand this whining any more...if you want a good reason why RP's campaign failed, it's because of the whole overestimation of whether the average person gave a flip about RP. They didn't at the time those newsletters were revealed, that's why it was a shitrag of a publication like The New Republic who spent the time to reveal the supposed scandal.

The Che Guerva flag in Obama's office is despicable. But I couldn't get over my bitterness how the news video started...with the announcement that Obama was just that day opening two new offices in that area. In Sacramento, we didn't even have a single office until about a week before Super Tuesday.

 

[JMann]

No, no, I agree. It's just the subtle hypocrisy that caught my eye. I'm definitely not pro-communism, supremacists, etc. It's just that, well, you know. It is awful creepy that they all gathered in the room and no one mentioned it. It's an eyebrow raiser, for sure . . .

It is like the 'truthers' that supported Paul. You want the vote but you really want to tell them to go f themselves.

 

[scotto2008]

The video is much more revealing than the photo, because it pans directly from a poster of Obama to our hero Che.

This is rich. I'm putting it in my next video.

 

[scotto2008]

It just proves the the Obama movement is all about emotion vs. substance. Half the people who wear Che Guavara t-shirts have no clue what he stood for.

 

[WilliamC]

Oh please. I can't stand this whining any more...if you want a good reason why RP's campaign failed, it's because of the whole overestimation of whether the average person gave a flip about RP. They didn't at the time those newsletters were revealed, that's why it was a shitrag of a publication like The New Republic who spent the time to reveal the supposed scandal.

The Che Guerva flag in Obama's office is despicable. But I couldn't get over my bitterness how the news video started...with the announcement that Obama was just that day opening two new offices in that area. In Sacramento, we didn't even have a single office until about a week before Super Tuesday.

It's not whining to state the simple fact that the mainstream media will ignore a glaring communist flag with a picture of a violent criminal on it just because it is in an Obama campaign office.

And do you honestly doubt that had a similar report been aired about a Ron Paul campaign office and there been a Confederate flag that it would have likewise been ignored?

As to the average person giving a flip about Ron Paul, well it's kind of difficult to say since the average person still doesn't know who Ron Paul is.

But they sure know that their cost of living is going up and that their lifestyle is suffering because of it. Hopefully someday a few more of them will stop worrying so much about being entertained and start worrying more about being informed.

That's the real problem with the average person.