Video of fatal Chicago police shooting of 13-year-old Adam Toledo released

[jmdrake]

Actually I do know.

14 unarmed blacks were shot in 2019. "[FONT=&]the Washington Post’s database[/FONT] of fatal police shootings[FONT=&] showed 14 unarmed Black victims and 25 unarmed white victims in 2019." [/FONT]https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/03/police-black-killings-homicide-rates-race-injustice-column/3235072001/[FONT=&]

And of those 14, probably 8 to 10 were justified because it looked like the unarmed person was grabbing a gun or was trying to attack an officer like Michael Brown.

These killings are are a rounding error. Lightning kills 49 people a year. Cops wrongly kill about 5 black people a year. March against the real killers- lightning strikes.
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For the record George Floyd wasn't shot so he wouldn't have even shown up in the database you're citing and yet he is the most famous police death ever. Eric Garner also wasn't shot. Kelly Thomas (white) wasn't shot. And who said anything about marching? I haven't. Straw man argument on your part. The black kid who had his hands up shouldn't have been shot. Kelly Thomas shouldn't have been beat to death. The white kid who flashed his high beams at a police officer shouldn't have been pulled over, there shouldn't have been an arrest attempt, he shouldn' t have been tased and he shouldn't have been shot. I suppose in 1775 you'd have called the Boston Massacre a "rounding error" and insisted that there be no American revolution too.

 

[jmdrake]

With all due respect though, it kind of sounded like you were calling out conservatives for not being vocal about these incidents. Which goes back to the initial question, what would you have us do?

With all due respect, I called out phony conservatives and phony liberals. If you aren't phony the shoe doesn't fit so why wear it? I don't put Ron or Rand Paul in the "phony" conservative bunch.

I mean, keep in mind that about 5 months ago, predominantly black Democrat urban America voted out the guy who reversed Biden's 3 strikes law and put the guy who supported it in his place. It's not a very rewarding job, being white conservative superman.

I put Biden in the "phony liberal" category. But Trump shot himself in the foot when he told Bob Woodward that he downplayed COVID-19 because he didn't want to "cause a panic." There is no way to dress that up.

The sad truth of the matter is, I can't go into the Bronx or downtown Chicago and as a white conservative guy stand up on a soapbox and tell the black community what we need to do to address the issue.

And I'm not telling you to do that. I'm talking about how everyone is getting manipulated by the phonies. Tell me this. Does it bother you that Kelly Thomas getting beat to death got no national coverage? It bothers me.

1) They don't want to hear it from me
2) The media wouldn't allow me to say it, as I have no standing as an 'ol white dude tryna tell black folks about they business.'
3) In general, I value my life

Do you think the family of Kelly Thomas might have appreciated you coming to his funeral and talking about his death? Mind you, since you don't have a large platform that wouldn't have done much. But..what about Sean Hannity? Rush Limbaugh? Tucker Carlson? Ben Shapiro? And I don't mean just mentioning him once. I mean repeating his name on air over and over again until it sinks in to the general public what happened to him.

I'm sitting here in GA supporting Vernon Jones for governor because: identity politics is a thing, and he can say things as a black guy that I just simply can't say as a white guy, and at least some people who need to hear it will listen.

That's good. Keep us updated on how that's going. I may donate based on your recommendation if it's a winnable race. (Seriously).

It's not that conservatives don't care, it's just that no one wants to hear what they have to say. I don't see how that's the fault of conservatives.

It's not the fault of conservatives. It's the fault of the phonies on both sides who ignore cases of police brutality that don't fit the narrative.

 

[Krugminator2]

For the record George Floyd wasn't shot so he wouldn't have even shown up in the database you're citing and yet he is the most famous police death ever. Eric Garner also wasn't shot. Kelly Thomas (white) wasn't shot. And who said anything about marching? I haven't. Straw man argument on your part. The black kid who had his hands up shouldn't have been shot. Kelly Thomas shouldn't have been beat to death. The white kid who flashed his high beams at a police officer shouldn't have been pulled over, there shouldn't have been an arrest attempt, he shouldn' t have been tased and he shouldn't have been shot. I suppose in 1775 you'd have called the Boston Massacre a "rounding error" and insisted that there be no American revolution too.

Those are two instances and most people police killings aren't from being killed by asphyxiation.

George Floyd was a lifelong scumbag who would be back in prison if he didn't get killed. He put a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach.

"Garner had been arrested by the NYPD more than 30 times since 1980 on charges such as assault, resisting arrest, and grand larceny." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Eric_Garner And he died because he was a 500 pound slob.


The point isn't that cops don't abuse power. Of course they do. But the cops aren't looking to kill people. Almost all of these killings are avoidable if you follow the law and behave like a civilized human. George Floyd and Eric Garner weren't fighting for freedom and standing up to tyranny. They were scumbags who made a living violating the rights of others.

 

[nobody's_hero]

With all due respect, I called out phony conservatives and phony liberals. If you aren't phony the shoe doesn't fit so why wear it? I don't put Ron or Rand Paul in the "phony" conservative bunch.

Catch-22, if they do talk about it, they're still accused of being phony (maybe not by you or me).

There needs to be blowback in the black community directed not at Wendy's and shoe stores, but at the people responsible. But again, I can't get involved. A white dude will only taint the spirit of the rebellion.

 

[jmdrake]

I googled three conservatives just now within a one minute time frame with the name Philando Castille to see what they said.

Ben Shapiro

Erick Erickson wrote an entire column on him
https://www.macon.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/article157551264.html

Jonah Goldberg

https://www.baltimoresun.com/la-oe-...e-black-lives-matter-20160711-snap-story.html

Three Google searches not knowing what they said about Castille. Three in support. Three for three. The support for Castille on the right was as close to unanimous as you will ever get on these shootings.

Your Ben Shapiro tweet didn't come through. But this article shows he ultimately didn't support Castille.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016...obama-statement-police-shootings-not-helpful/

I can't read this article by Shapiro because it's behind a paywall, but the part I can read doesn't seem supportive either.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/alton-sterling-and-philando-castile-cases-why-cant-ben-shapiro

The Blaze made a big deal that "even the black jurors" were in favor of acquital of Castile's killer.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/...e-case-were-in-favor-of-acquitting-cop-report

What likely happened is there was some initial support for Castille among some well know conservative talking heads that dried up after the "refer madness" argument came out.

I see no mention of marijuana in the Erick Erickson article you linked. It could have been that he wasn't bothered by that or it could have been that this article was written before that angle came out. I'm thinking it's the latter. I can't read the Jonah Goldberg article because of the paywall.

 

[jmdrake]

Catch-22, if they do talk about it, they're still accused of being phony (maybe not by you or me).

There needs to be blowback in the black community directed not at Wendy's and shoe stores, but at the people responsible. But again, I can't get involved. A white dude will only taint the spirit of the rebellion.

Okay. But I can't control who other people call or don't call phony. Again my point is about the false narrative that has people thinking they shouldn't worry about police brutality because it can't happen to them or their loved ones. There should be blowback in the black and the white community directed at the people responsible! Again, Kelly Thomas was white.

 

[Krugminator2]

Your Ben Shapiro tweet didn't come through. But this article shows he ultimately didn't support Castille.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016...obama-statement-police-shootings-not-helpful/

He mentions Castille once and is saying Castille was wrongly killed and was an isolated incident. He is saying the same thing I am.

Naturally, America’s group-therapy leader, President Obama, led the way. After two videos surrounding police shootings went viral — one showing the shooting of Alton Sterling in Louisiana, the second, the aftermath of the shooting of Philando Castile in Minnesota — Obama leapt to the airwaves to declare, without evidence, that such shootings were not merely “isolated incidents.

 

[jmdrake]

Those are two instances and most people police killings aren't from being killed by asphyxiation.

And what are your stats, since you supposedly keep up with this, on how many are killed by other methods? Hint, Google "spit sock" deaths.

"Garner had been arrested by the NYPD more than 30 times since 1980 on charges such as assault, resisting arrest, and grand larceny." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Eric_Garner And he died because he was a 500 pound slob.

Not according to the autopsy report which showed a partial crushed larnyx.

The point isn't that cops don't abuse power. Of course they do. But the cops aren't looking to kill people. Almost all of these killings are avoidable if you follow the law and behave like a civilized human. George Floyd and Eric Garner weren't fighting for freedom and standing up to tyranny. They were scumbags who made a living violating the rights of others.

The cops that beat Kelly Thomas to death said, right before they started beating him "We're going to fvck you up." What would you call that exactly? Oh yeah...and they got off.

 

[jmdrake]

He mentions Castille once and is saying Castille was wrongly killed and was an isolated incident. He is saying the same thing I am.

And where did Ben Shapiro say that it was wrong for the officer to be acquitted in that case?

 

[Krugminator2]

And where did Ben Shapiro say that it was wrong for the officer to be acquitted in that case?

Umm... there's this quote. Seems pretty clear.

"No clue from this tape how the cop wasn't convicted"

 

[jmdrake]

Umm... there's this quote. Seems pretty clear.

"No clue from this tape how the cop wasn't convicted"

That quote must be from the Tweet you posted that didn't come through as it's not in the National Review article that talks about the "isolated incident." Most of Shapiro's outrage seems aimed at Obama for daring to be outraged about what happened to Castile.

Edit: And in the Nationl Review article, Shapiro, while claiming to want to see somebody "do something", has nothing to say about what should be done about police brutality. It's all "Black people should commit less crimes." Okay. That's why when I talk about police brutality I also talk about when it hapens to white people! Kelly Thomas. The white kid (I can't remember his name) who flashed his high beams at a cop and ended up dead. The white guy who was playing video games and the police shot him because they thought his Wii controller was a gun. The white guy who's neighbor SWATTED because he didn't like how loud his video game was and he answered the door holding a gun, then immediately put it down when he saw it was the police and was shot in the back by another officer. It's a long list. There's a whole thread on this.

 

[Krugminator2]

T the National Review article that talks about the "isolated incident." Most of Shapiro's outrage seems aimed at Obama for daring to be outraged about what happened to Castile.
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1. It was an isolated incident. Saying as such implies Shapiro believes the police were in the wrong, as opposed to more common incidents when criminals are justifiable shot by police.

2. His criticism of Obama had nothing to do with Obama being outraged at what happened to Castile. See point 1.

 

[jmdrake]

1. It was an isolated incident. Saying as such implies Shapiro believes the police were in the wrong, as opposed to more common incidents when criminals are justifiable shot by police.

2. His criticism of Obama had nothing to do with Obama being outraged at what happened to Castile. See point 1.

You must have missed this as I edited.

Edit: And in the Nationl Review article, Shapiro, while claiming to want to see somebody "do something", has nothing to say about what should be done about police brutality. It's all "Black people should commit less crimes." Okay. That's why when I talk about police brutality I also talk about when it hapens to white people! Kelly Thomas. The white kid (I can't remember his name) who flashed his high beams at a cop and ended up dead. The white guy who was playing video games and the police shot him because they thought his Wii controller was a gun. The white guy who's neighbor SWATTED because he didn't like how loud his video game was and he answered the door holding a gun, then immediately put it down when he saw it was the police and was shot in the back by another officer. It's a long list. There's a whole thread on this.

As for your two points, the "it's an isolated incident" is the reason he was bothered by Obama's outrage. Obama shouldn't have been making such a fuss over an "isolated incident" that's a "rounding error." Yeah...Ben Shapiro would have been against the American Revolution too. Boston Massacre? Nothing to see here. Isolated incident.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

From quick browse of report, appears to be unjustified actions by cops. But did not see this story in top headlines in media news.

On a political note, current POTUS seems to be quite hands-off/mostly quiet on such matters (other than customary gun control calls) unlike recent Prez Trump & Obama who tended to make public statements when similar incidences occured during their respective terms. Prez Trump had issued multiple public statements on policing related vioelnce including praise for George Floyd and supported justice for Floyd cause. Biden so far appears to be nothing like Barack 'if I had a son' Obama on such human rights/civil rights issues.


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