Video of fatal Chicago police shooting of 13-year-old Adam Toledo released

[Krugminator2]

The 7 year old black girl who was shot and killed by police while she was sleeping might have grown up to be a neurosurgeon. But phony conservatives never talk about that case.

Those are the rare exceptions. The rule are the people I listed. Another example I forgot is Breonna Taylor. Maybe don't date and transport money for drug dealers and you won't be in a position of being raided. That isn't a big ask.

People who do well in school, pull up their pants, aren't covered in tattoos, and who aren't belligerent with police don't have problems in life. Police aren't shooting them.

Of course people have the right to look like they are in the Crips. They can angrily argue with police. They can rob stores. And they should not get shot by police. But they are opening that door. Maybe white people don't get shot in those situations. But that shouldn't be the focus. In virtually every instance of police shootings, the person shot opened the door to getting shot by making poor decisions.

 

[jmdrake]

The 13 yo boy complied way too quickly. He executed the "hands in the air" and "turn around" moves simultaneously (bad idea), and did so in a fraction of a second (another bad idea).

This isn't to excuse the Officer, but in no way can it be compared to Kyle's very calm walking with his hands in the air and rifle slinged on his back.

Kyle clearly has attended one of my Compliance 101 courses. Adam Toledo unfortunately, did not.

Eldridge Cleaver of the Black Panthers executed the "Strip to your underwear so they can't say you have a hidden weapon" technique. His accomplice, only willing to take of his shirt but kept his pants on, was gunned down.

 

[TheTexan]

Eldridge Cleaver of the Black Panthers executed the "Strip to your underwear so they can't say you have a hidden weapon" technique. His accomplice, only willing to take of his shirt but kept his pants on, was gunned down.

Cops generally don't ask people to strip anymore. Though I suppose if they did, it would provide a conundrum: how do you take off your pants, without making it look like you are reaching for a weapon in your pants?

In this scenario, the best compliance in this case would be to keep your hands in the air regardless of the command. Eventually you will be beaten for non-compliance, but you will probably be alive.

Interesting predicament, I wonder what societal factors would lead to such a bizarre situation.

 

[jmdrake]

Those are the rare exceptions.

How do you know they are "rare exceptions" when nobody talks about those cases?

The rule are the people I listed. Another example I forgot is Breonna Taylor. Maybe don't date and transport money for drug dealers and you won't be in a position of being raided. That isn't a big ask.

Nobody talked about Breonna Taylor either....until the police got their story straight about the alledged drug connection. Only when there is controversy is the case talked about. I bet you never heard about the case of the black man in Lebanon Tennessee that was gunned down by police who did a no knock raid on the wrong house. And no, he was never accused of drugs...which is why you never heard of the case. Then there was the Atlanta grandmother that the police planted drugs on after they killed her to try to cover it up. You don't hear about more cases of blacks with absolutely no criminality being killed by police because neither the phony conservative nor the phony liberal media wants you to hear about them. It's the same reason why there is this false perception that white people aren't getting killed by the police. [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] has a whole thread devoted to talking about whites killed by police under suspicious circumstances that doesn't get talked about. That includes the white kid who was coming home from a church basketball game, made the "mistake" of flashing his high beams at a cop because the cop had his high beams on, got pulled over, the cop tried to arrest him, then tazed him, then shot him.

https://reason.com/2015/10/19/cop-pulls-teen-over-for-flashing-high-be/

The bottom line is this. Crap like this shouldn't happen. And you shouldn't have to be a brain surgeon or an aspiring brain surgeon for it to happen. With the cop who killed the white kid who flashed his high beams, his excuse is that the kid punched him after he tased the kid! Why are you tasing someone for flashing his high beams at you? Why are you even pulling someone over for flashing his high beams at you?

 

[jmdrake]

Cops generally don't ask people to strip anymore. Though I suppose if they did, it would provide a conundrum: how do you take off your pants, without making it look like you are reaching for a weapon in your pants?

In this scenario, the best compliance in this case would be to keep your hands in the air regardless of the command. Eventually you will be beaten for non-compliance, but you will probably be alive.

Interesting predicament, I wonder what societal factors would lead to such a bizarre situation.

Eldridged stripped before coming out of the house. I'm pretty sure the shirtless guy had his hands up. Eldridge had shot at police earlier that evening which is why he knew he had to take such extreme measures to avoid getting shot.

 

[TheTexan]

Eldridged stripped before coming out of the house. I'm pretty sure the shirtless guy had his hands up. Eldridge had shot at police earlier that evening which is why he knew he had to take such extreme measures to avoid getting shot.

Nicely done! That is some professional-level Compliance. Learn something new every day.

 

[Krugminator2]

Also Philando Castile didn't have a felony criminal record. If he did he wouldn't have had a gun permit. But phony conservatives are all "Well he had weed in the car so his killing was justified too."

Actually I see no people criticize that guy. I actually used him specifically as an example in my post responding to the 7 year old as the exception and edited it to make shorter. The reality is that guy is a rare case. Michael Brown, Adam Toledo and the other examples I listed are the rule. Do you how I know that? Because if there were better martyrs, then the activists would hold them up. Instead you have Jacob Blake being held up as a hero.

In almost every case of national prominence the person being killed by police is a degenerate.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Where is the national outrage? Where is BLM? where is the left? Why is nobody rioting nationwide? Am I suppose to remember his name too? Where is ANTIFA and SJW's now? or is this because Trump is out of office and Biden is in? Why is there so much silence?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/adam-toledo-chicago-police-shot-204709515.html

Chicago police on Thursday released body-camera video footage showing an officer shooting and killing a 13-year-old boy in an alley more than two weeks ago.
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Timing is important. They were probably waiting for the end of the Derek Chauvin trial, but with the Daunte Wright not-Taser shooting, they released it early to add fuel to the fire.

As for Antifa-BLM, they had a mostly peaceful riot last night in a few cities in memory of Adam Toledo. In Oakland, they only torched an auto dealership and vandalized a Target. Very peaceful.

 

[Krugminator2]

Nobody talked about Breonna Taylor either....until the police got their story straight about the alleged drug connection.

Wasn't an allegation. It is a fact. They have her on video. It is the whole reason the raided her place. And of course, drugs should be legal and these raids shouldn't happen. But they are illegal so don't get involved in them.

You don't hear about more cases of blacks with absolutely no criminality being killed by police

Right. Because it happens at a very tiny rate. You are talking about maybe 5 or 6 instances a year in a country of 340 million.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Awe my post got destroyed by the merge.

So the more condensed version:

What exactly should conservatives do about police shootings in liberal metro areas (which seems to be where the vast majority happen)?

My sheriff came out last year and condemned the Minneapolis chokehold incident, saying that no where is it acceptable to use a chokehold on a subdued suspect in any training he has ever received, and following the Taylor incident he made no-knock warrants only executable when signed off on in advance by the top LEO in the county (the sheriff). (probably could have just done away with no-knocks entirely but that is at least a step towards accountability).

Problem is, here in rural-topia, that doesn't do anything to help liberal blacks in liberal urban hellholes. Seems like the burden of addressing the issue is on the black community. A good start would be to stop electing the same people over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

 

[jmdrake]

Wasn't an allegation. It is a fact. They have her on video. It is the whole reason the raided her place. And of course, drugs should be legal and these raids shouldn't happen. But they are illegal so don't get involved in them.

What they had were her ex boyfriend on tape. Regardless the reason they didn't go with the story at first is they didn't have an angle to smear her on at first.

Right. Because it happens at a very tiny rate. You are talking about maybe 5 or 6 instances a year in a country of 340 million.

That would be all the more reason to trumped the story! How many times is a gay nightclub shot up? How many times did we hear about it? How many times is there a school shooting? How many times do we hear about it? Your "logic" is ass-backwards. Rare events are much more newsworthy. And you have no idea what the rate actually is because you aren't keeping up with it precisely because those events aren't talked about.

 

[jmdrake]

Actually I see no people criticize that guy.

You never heard about the head of the NRA attacking him?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dana-loesch-explains-why-the-nra-didnt-defend-philando-castile

 

[Krugminator2]

You never heard about the head of the NRA attacking him?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dana-loesch-explains-why-the-nra-didnt-defend-philando-castile

When I say no one, I am assuming I am not talking to an autistic who is taking that statement literally. Basically no one. The overwhelming majority of people on the right who thought Castille was wrongly harmed.

 

[jmdrake]

Awe my post got destroyed by the merge.

So the more condensed version:

What exactly should conservatives do about police shootings in liberal metro areas (which seems to be where the vast majority happen)?

My sheriff came out last year and condemned the Minneapolis chokehold incident, saying that no where is it acceptable to use a chokehold on a subdued suspect in any training he has ever received, and following the Taylor incident he made no-knock warrants only executable when signed off on in advance by the top LEO in the county (the sheriff). (probably could have just done away with no-knocks entirely but that is at least a step towards accountability).

Problem is, here in rural-topia, that doesn't do anything to help liberal blacks in liberal urban hellholes. Seems like the burden of addressing the issue is on the black community. A good start would be to stop electing the same people over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

And ^that's the way it should be handled. Needless deaths by police, even if the victims aren't "neurosurgeons", should result in changes in policy. The cop that choked Eric Garner to death in Democrat run New York when a black democrat was POTUS didn't get fired until last year. And yes, Mayor Lightford should be driven from office on a rail.

 

[jmdrake]

When I say no one, I am assuming I am not talking to an autistic who is taking that statement literally. Basically no one. The overwhelming majority of people on the right who thought Castille was wrongly harmed.

Dana Loesch was head of the worlds largest gun rights organization. She has a helluva lot more clout then you. Just because you supported Castille doesn't mean that's the rule and not the exception. You are the one acting mentally deficient here.

Edit: And I don't see where you mentioned Castille. Oh...that's right... you "edited it to make it shorter."

 

[Krugminator2]

And you have no idea what the rate actually is because you aren't keeping up with it precisely because those events aren't talked about.

Actually I do know.

14 unarmed blacks were shot in 2019. "the Washington Post’s database of fatal police shootings showed 14 unarmed Black victims and 25 unarmed white victims in 2019." https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/03/police-black-killings-homicide-rates-race-injustice-column/3235072001/

And of those 14, probably 8 to 10 were justified because it looked like the unarmed person was grabbing a gun or was trying to attack an officer like Michael Brown.

These killings are are a rounding error. Lightning kills 49 people a year. Cops wrongly kill about 5 black people a year. March against the real killers- lightning strikes.

 

[Krugminator2]

Edit: And I don't see where you mentioned Castille. Oh...that's right... you "edited it to make it shorter."

Right. I don't know what to tell you. I did. Would be a weird thing to lie about. It is such a rare exception.

 

[jmdrake]

Right. I don't know what to tell you. I did. Would be a weird thing to lie about.

It wouldn't be any weirder than you calling me "autistic" for pointing my pointing out that one of the best known gun rights advocates in the world attacked Philando Castille over having marijuana while legally carrying a gun. Oh but some anonymous person on RPF defended Castille so that covers it.

 

[nobody's_hero]

And ^that's the way it should be handled. Needless deaths by police, even if the victims aren't "neurosurgeons", should result in changes in policy. The cop that choked Eric Garner to death in Democrat run New York when a black democrat was POTUS didn't get fired until last year. And yes, Mayor Lightford should be driven from office on a rail.

With all due respect though, it kind of sounded like you were calling out conservatives for not being vocal about these incidents. Which goes back to the initial question, what would you have us do?

I mean, keep in mind that about 5 months ago, predominantly black Democrat urban America voted out the guy who reversed Biden's 3 strikes law and put the guy who supported it in his place. It's not a very rewarding job, being white conservative superman.

The sad truth of the matter is, I can't go into the Bronx or downtown Chicago and as a white conservative guy stand up on a soapbox and tell the black community what we need to do to address the issue.

1) They don't want to hear it from me
2) The media wouldn't allow me to say it, as I have no standing as an 'ol white dude tryna tell black folks about they business.'
3) In general, I value my life

I'm sitting here in GA supporting Vernon Jones for governor because: identity politics is a thing, and he can say things as a black guy that I just simply can't say as a white guy, and at least some people who need to hear it will listen.

It's not that conservatives don't care, it's just that no one wants to hear what they have to say. I don't see how that's the fault of conservatives.

 

[Krugminator2]

It wouldn't be any weirder than you calling me "autistic" for pointing my pointing out that one of the best known gun rights advocates in the world attacked Philando Castille over having marijuana while legally carrying a gun. Oh but some anonymous person on RPF defended Castille so that covers it.

I googled three conservatives just now within a one minute time frame with the name Philando Castille to see what they said.

Ben Shapiro

Erick Erickson wrote an entire column on him
https://www.macon.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/article157551264.html

Jonah Goldberg

https://www.baltimoresun.com/la-oe-...e-black-lives-matter-20160711-snap-story.html

Three Google searches not knowing what they said about Castille. Three in support. Three for three. The support for Castille on the right was as close to unanimous as you will ever get on these shootings.