Video from ABC this morning:

[pcosmar]

Whatever the real truth about OBL is, it is all in the past now since he is certainly dead now. The points we need to make to win people over must be:

1. Concrete -

He was very concrete in Exeter.
He explained his position clearly. I really don't get what the criticism is.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

I don't know Ron personally, but he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that would turn down some gentle coaching or tips if it meant he could become president and stand a hope of saving the country. Couldn't the campaign explain that he'd just be working on his delivery? I mean, it seemed like he was much more prepared at the debate then he was on GMA. Could it be that he was consciously on his game at the debate, and it slipped his mind that the TV appearance was just as important? Honestly, to me it was like watching two different people.

If I had any closer connection to his campaign I'd really try to hammer it home with them.

Sadly, I've got to say that I agree with you. But, there's not much we can do. Dr. Paul is going to do what he is going to do. (sigh)

 

[acptulsa]

Post before that one, which was a response to the troll that joined a month ago.

But feel free to stay grinning while we're losing, again. You guys want to stick with the same tactics because it feeds your ego and you hear what you want to hear. "Oh my if Ron isn't constantly feeding me ear candy about the dollar and closing all the departments I think I'll explode."

You want to change Ron Paul, you want to change us, you want to change the voters, and I agree. But there's a fine line between 'constructive' and 'wishful' and you're way over it.

The voters are changing. They're figuring out where sticking with the slick has gotten them. Ron Paul is standing fast, as he always has, and we're bringing the nation to him. But whine about it all you want, whether we need to hear it or not. It isn't like I haven't said I wish he'd hire a speech writer...

 

[acptulsa]

Here we go. Can one of the mods stomp this out please?

Considering he's trying to play down your assertion we're all wasting our time here, I doubt it. Yes, Paul was concrete on The View and they loved it. No, he doesn't always do that. Sometimes it's hard to come up with the perfect concrete example when the TV lights are shining in your face and the host is trying desperately to interrupt you because what you are saying still makes too much sense. Yes his suit is off the rack.

And maybe all this unconventionality is a liability and maybe, in a time when everyone is sick of the status quo, it's an asset. Or, perhaps, we should wait and see what the campaign is up to when it's a full day old.

But there's one thing I know as surely as I know my own name. The proverbial fat lady ain't sung yet.

 

[pcosmar]

First off. He didn't lose last time. The Revolution grew.
The people are much more receptive to the message of Liberty.

As far as the wars. He is absolutely right. What he voted for and authorized was never done and what was done was not what he voted for.
And was monumentally stupid on top.

I also find that most people that pick up on his recommendation of "Letters of Marque and Reprisal" have absolutly no idea what it is or means.
The Drug War is a monumental failure. On several levels.
The economic issues are his strong point and he hammered those.

Either people are NOT listening, or they are confused. I expect support to grow as more hear him, and the Media Blackout is not going to work this time.

 

[The Moravian]

That works. Ron has to watch for that 'stick the knife in in the introduction THEN ask a question' so the knife gets 'conceded'. He did at least say 'I want to qualify that drug bit' but could have said 'I think the states can pass those laws and the question of heroin legalization is unlikely to be seriously raised in any state. I had been responding to an unserious question.' Then moving on. But there was clearly a mike problem of some sort. Not a great interview, actually, they advertised him as fringe throughout. He might have been better to go with Cavuto who wouldn't have done that (even the Judge is doing it, lauding him as going to 'end social security and legalize drugs' even though the judge knows better.)

Well, I guess we're in campaign mode, and have to use the media regardless of its spin, and just take that into account.

I used to call this guy Stuffafffufa because I couldn't be bothered to learn his real name, but I saw on this forum that it is really Streptococcus, so I will try to remember in the future.

I agree that Neil Cavuto or maybe Dylan Ratigan would have been better hosts for this very important announcement, they certainly wouldn't have set RP up with that chopped up clip of the radio interview and all the subtle insults that Snuffellupagus spewed at him. After that cynical, mocking insult back in 2007 I would hope that Dr. Paul would know better than to declare his candidacy on this evil man's show. Why give a known backstabber that kind of opportunity?

I do like that RP talked over him, but even that didn't redeem the situation he put himself into. Going on "Good Morning America" is necessary during the campaign, because they have such a large audience, but choosing to announce your official candidacy on that show may not have been such a good idea.

Perhaps the Sunday morning show interview will be more fair to him. I just hope that he is prepared for the worst every time he's on national television.

 

[AuH20]

Argh! I haven't even gotten to Ron proper!! What is that asinine introduction 'he's against getting bin Laden [bull!] he wants to legalize drugs and prostition [decriminalize at the FEDERAL level for states to regulate!].......OK, I'll go watch it, but my opinion of Streptococcus and his network is about what it was before.

You're surprised by this? I told you this would happen yesterday and everyone was calling me Chicken Little. He's been officially stamped and labeled. The problem is that besides Ron there is no other quality candidate in the Republican field. For all intents and purpose, we're chained to this sinking ship for good or bad. It's time to pull out the stops and advocate radical methods.

 

[acptulsa]

IWhy give a known backstabber that kind of opportunity?

I do like that RP talked over him, but even that didn't redeem the situation enough to make it worth it.

I think so. No one knows better than older people that life was easier back when Washington was smaller. So, get on the actual airwaves and stick in their faces the reason they're all so negative about him--they hate him. And show them why--they don't want the man reminding everyone that life was better for the majority of people before this federal morass grew out of control.

Older folks aren't so fond of good men being mistreated. They don't like it. Their sympathies invariably are with the maligned, not the naysayers.

He announced in the right place.

You're surprised by this? I told you this would happen yesterday and everyone was calling me Chicken Little.

Were people calling you this because no one believed it would happen, or because no one believed that he would handle it so poorly that the campaign would end before it started.

The proverbial fat lady ain't even warming up yet.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

No, I want to win. That's not changing the voters. Hell, I believe a lot of people are libertarian at heart. I know I was, but you need to convey that message in a way that doesn't offend or intimidate people.

It's not changing Ron at all. It's changing the campaign. I also find your statement funny, because isn't this about the Constitution, not that man? I think I remember you and a few others here preaching that....so you're telling me "Oh you won't change Ron" but isn't this presidency we've been pushing for about the principles? Ron's just the messenger, and if he's delivering the message I want as many people to embrace it as possible.

You want to change Ron Paul, you want to change us, you want to change the voters, and I agree. But there's a fine line between 'constructive' and 'wishful' and you're way over it.

The voters are changing. They're figuring out where sticking with the slick has gotten them. Ron Paul is standing fast, as he always has, and we're bringing the nation to him. But whine about it all you want, whether we need to hear it or not. It isn't like I haven't said I wish he'd hire a speech writer...

 

[rockandrollsouls]

The only reason they continue with these loaded questions is because they know Ron just makes himself look worse when he responds to it. How much money you want to put on the idea that if Ron hit homeruns with 'em like he was beginning to do at the first debate that they'd back off a little bit?

I think so. No one knows better than older people that life was easier back when Washington was smaller. So, get on the actual airwaves and stick in their faces the reason they're all so negative about him--they hate him. And show them why--they don't want the man reminding everyone that life was better for the majority of people before this federal morass grew out of control.

Older folks aren't so fond of good men being mistreated. They don't like it. Their sympathies invariably are with the maligned, not the naysayers.

He announced in the right place.



Were people calling you this because no one believed it would happen, or because no one believed that he would handle it so poorly that the campaign would end before it started.

The proverbial fat lady ain't even warming up yet.

 

[AuH20]

The only reason they continue with these loaded questions is because they know Ron just makes himself look worse when he responds to it. How much money you want to put on the idea that if Ron hit homeruns with 'em like he was beginning to do at the first debate that they'd back off a little bit?

Does he have a campaign manager or does he simply respond extemporaneously to every question without understanding how it will be spinned by the media?

 

[pcosmar]

Does he have a campaign manager or does he simply respond extemparaneously to every question without understanding how it will be spinned by the media?

He tells the truth. He lets the truth stands on it's own.
Spin is a lie. Lies will make themselves known.

 

[acptulsa]

Does he have a campaign manager or does he simply respond extemporaneously to every question..?

Yes.

And he has a pretty good idea how a crowd will respond by now. Does this mean he should do without a speech writer when he's too busy to craft words very, very carefully? Well, we'll see what happens.

I think there are just too many wordsmiths on this forum who are too full of sour grapes. Maybe what we all need to do is stfu on this subject and run for Congress. If you want something done right...

Spin is a lie.

No, sorry, can't agree with this one. Any truth can be told in more than one way. Some do work better than others.

 

[AuH20]

No, sorry, can't agree with this one. Any truth can be told in more than one way. Some do work better than others.

Yes, you can tell the truth without throwing a brick into the proverbial face of your audience. Ron hasn't learned this art.

 

[acptulsa]

Well? Can we have a 'all the bitchers for Congress to show us how it's done' moneybomb?

 

[pcosmar]

Yes, you can tell the truth without throwing a brick in the proverbial face of your audience. Ron hasn't learned this art.

What brick?
He said that he would not have done it the way it was done.
He says the government has NO business in your life Mind, Body Or Spirit.(DEA or FDA)
What brick?

 

[acptulsa]

What brick?
He said that he would not have done it the way it was done.
He says the government has NO business in your life Mind, Body Or Spirit.(DEA or FDA)
What brick?

If someone throws a piece of candy in your face and the MSM tells you it's a brick, do you unwrap it? Depends on how wise you are.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

He does, but you'd never guess it judging by how unpolished responses are most of the time.

Does he have a campaign manager or does he simply respond extemporaneously to every question without understanding how it will be spinned by the media?

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Bingo. Or the campaign hasn't helped to make him aware yet.

Yes, you can tell the truth without throwing a brick into the proverbial face of your audience. Ron hasn't learned this art.

Loser talk. You're basically saying "If everyone doesn't realize how awesome Ron is, I don't care! Don't change a thing! Let's lose again!" Take your elitist attitude and shove it. You're part of that 1% on each end of the bell curve I consistently say we shouldn't worry about winning. You're so caught up on every, little, minor detail that it's impossible to satisfy you.

He tells the truth. He lets the truth stands on it's own.
Spin is a lie. Lies will make themselves known.

 

[AuH20]

He does, but you'd never guess it judging by how unpolished responses are most of the time.

He's been beaten down by the media for so long that he doesn't possess any type of survival instincts any longer. He's embraced the crazy old man persona they've crafted for him!!! It seems he's gotten more incredulous as he's gotten older. I think he's resigned to the fact that he can't win and now has taken off on the shock tour.