Veterans Affairs Scandal

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"No drama Obama." Please. It's been one drama, scandal, crisis, and appalling criminal act after another with this guy.

Anyways, feel free to post any updates on his VA scandal here.

The Latest on VA Delay Scandal: 18 Vets Died in Phoenix Awaiting Visits; Feds Probe Retaliation Against Dozens of Whistleblowers
http://reason.com/24-7/2014/06/06/the-latest-on-va-delay-scandal-18-vets-d

The scandal we had before the Bowe Bergdahl thing blew up isn't over, folks. You may recall there was that little issue with the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) hospitals cooking their schedule books to make it appear as though they had a better record serving their veteran patients than they actually did. Secretary Eric Shinseki may have resigned, but there's still plenty to discuss.

Here are a couple of the latest developments about the VA hospital scandal:

VA Confirms 18 Died While on Wait Lists in Phoenix

Acting Veterans Affairs Secretary Sloan Gibson said that at least 100,000 veterans have been kept off waiting lists nationwide. In Phoenix, where details of the scandal first were exposed, 18 veterans died while waiting to see a doctor.
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More details from an internal audit will be released Monday about how many patients had been placed on "secret lists" rather than being provided medical care.

Feds Probe Retaliation Against Whistleblowers

The problems with medical care at VA hospitals aren't new. Complaints about poor treatment have been popping up forever. And not all VA employees have been complacent or passive about the agency's shoddy care. Federal investigators are now probing dozens of allegations that VA management retaliated against those who tried to blow the whistle on the agency's incompetence. From The Washington Post:

Federal investigators are examining claims that the Department of Veterans Affairs retaliated against 37 whistleblowers, including workers who tried to report actions relating to the agency’s recent scheduling scandal.

The complaints include allegations that managers demoted, suspended and lowered the performance ratings of employees who tried to expose inappropriate record-keeping practices at VA hospitals, according to the Office of Special Counsel, a federal investigative and prosecutorial agency that protects federal employees from reprisals.

Claims of retaliation against whistleblowers have arisen at 28 VA locations in 18 states and Puerto Rico, OSC said.

“The frequency with which VA employees are filing these complaints is one of the highest levels in the federal government,” said OSC spokesman Nick Schwellenbach.

That's a lot of whistles.

Fear kept the VA scandal a secret
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/05/politics/va-scandal-fear-secret/

All the doctors confirmed to us that VA officials had posted warnings in the hospital's halls and elevators that no VA employees could speak with the media or divulge details of what went on inside the hospital. The warnings, the doctors said, included details about laws that could be violated and penalties that employees could face, including financial reparations and even jail time, if they were to speak out publicly, and if the hospital suffered financial losses as a result.
 
Senate reaches deal on VA bill
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/05/senate-reaches-deal-on-va-bill/

The bill would create 26 new VA health facilities in 18 states and allow hiring of new doctors and nurses to care for growing rolls of veterans seeking care from the VA.

It would also let patients who live far away from VA facilities to go to doctors of their choosing and bill the Veterans Affairs Department.
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It still needs to go to the floor for approval of the full Senate. That could happen as soon as next week, according to aides.

Those aides predicted it probably would be approved because lawmakers are anxious to show their constituents they are responding to the scandal.

You know it will, and I'm sure it will be full of other unassociated goodies too.

Where is all the money (and doctors) going to come from for this? Certainly not from ending the wars (which are only making more injured veterans).
 
Barone: VA scandal shows big government flaws
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinio.../barone_va_scandal_shows_big_government_flaws

One who was probably not taken by surprise is longtime Yale Law Professor Peter Schuck, who identified the problems at the VA before the scandal broke in his recently published book, “Why Government Fails So Often and How It Can Do Better.”

Schuck is no anti-government libertarian. He says he has voted for every Democratic presidential candidate but one since 1964.

The federal government, he notes, does more things than ever and gets less respect than ever from the people it purports to serve. There is, he argues, a connection.

The Department of Veterans Affairs is a case in point. Writing well before the current scandal, Schuck notes that the VA’s budget has more than doubled in real terms over a dozen years, from $45 billion in 2000 to $154 billion in 2012, and that it hired many more claims processors.

“Yet as Congress keeps authorizing new benefits and makes eligibility easier, the backlog (now 900,000 claims) grows steadily worse due to the agency’s continued reliance on paper records, its perversely designed production quotas that encourage employees to reach for the thin folders first, the numerous refilled and appealed claims after denials, and its lax definition of disability to include common age-related conditions.”
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But, as the Ethics and Public Policy Center’s Yuval Levin points out, “centrally run, highly bureaucratic public health care systems that do not permit meaningful pricing and do not allow for competition among providers of care can really only respond to supply and demand pressures through waiting lines.” Long queues are the price of free care.

It’s easy to call for eliminating waste, fraud and abuse, and sometimes an administrative change can improve performance. Levin, who worked in the George W. Bush administration, credits the Clinton administration for some “very well executed” modernization efforts at the VA.

But policy failure and mismanagement, Schuck argues, are the result of “the deep structures of our policy system — perverse incentives, collective irrationality, lack of credibility with necessary stakeholders, the superior speed, flexibility and incentives of private markets, obstacles to implementation, the inherent limits of law as a policy instrument and a mediocre and degraded bureaucracy.”

It doesn’t help when you have a president uninterested in the actual operations of government and a VA secretary unduly trusting of subordinates.

Obama came to office determined to expand government and confident that Americans would like it. Instead, Obamacare, the sluggish economy and now the VA scandal have tended to discredit big government more than any abstract argument could.
 
Mental health delays at VA system five times longer than reported
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...nds-more-waiting-list-problems/#ixzz33xgDEJNG

Veterans seeking mental health care through the El Paso VA system were forced to wait more than two months just to get an appointment, a delay five times longer than the Veterans Affairs Department’s official estimates, according to a study released Wednesday by a congressman from Texas.

More than one-third of veterans surveyed who tried to schedule an appointment at the El Paso facility couldn’t get one, and appointments were canceled in many cases, said the study, released by Rep. Beto O'Rourke, a Democrat.

Statistics show 22 veterans a day are committing suicide and many are putting off mental health services altogether because of difficulties in getting appointments, the study said.
 
The Smoking Gun in the VA Scandal? "Gaming the System" 2010 VA Memo EXPOSED
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/06/s...erans-affairs-memorandum/#GxzcypTRd6vIlacb.99

According to a Department of Veterans Affairs "Memorandum" dated April 26, 2010. The Department of Veterans Affairs was very aware of the "cooking of the books" dating back to 2008.

Veterans-Administration-Memo-Gaming-the-System-260x300.jpg

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Note: I would like to say a special thank you to the three individuals that did care enough to issue this memo in 2010. They tried to stop the "gaming the system" and emphatically stated it would not be tolerated, apparently nobody listened. William Schoenhard FACHE. Karen Morris, MSW Associate Director, as well as Michael Davies, MD, Director VHA Systems Redesign.
 
If this causes semi privatization and allows these people to see the regular Dr in the town they live , would that not be an improvement of sorts ?
 
If this causes semi privatization and allows these people to see the regular Dr in the town they live , would that not be an improvement of sorts ?
I doubt the treatment of some of these soldiers could be afforded without passing the cost on to others and socializing it. Not that many of them, anyways.

50 years of intensive supervised hospital care? Probably $100,000,000. It's such a fucked up and tragic situation I doubt many even recognize the truth of it all.
 
I doubt the treatment of some of these soldiers could be afforded without passing the cost on to others and socializing it. Not that many of them, anyways.

50 years of intensive supervised hospital care? Probably $100,000,000. It's such a fucked up and tragic situation I doubt many even recognize the truth of it all.

I agree , and the way I was thinking the bill is still going to be pd from Fed tax monies , but at least that money would go to private citizens in towns instead of govt employees in centralized high population centers.Less govt employees and money going to a small local economy and better care seems like an improvement to me .....
 
Senate reaches deal on VA bill

The bill would create 26 new VA health facilities in 18 states and allow hiring of new doctors and nurses to care for growing rolls of veterans seeking care from the VA. [...] Those aides predicted it probably would be approved because lawmakers are anxious to show their constituents they are responding to the scandal.

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If this causes semi privatization and allows these people to see the regular Dr in the town they live , would that not be an improvement of sorts ?

I doubt the treatment of some of these soldiers could be afforded without passing the cost on to others and socializing it. Not that many of them, anyways.

50 years of intensive supervised hospital care? Probably $100,000,000. It's such a fucked up and tragic situation I doubt many even recognize the truth of it all.

I agree , and the way I was thinking the bill is still going to be pd from Fed tax monies , but at least that money would go to private citizens in towns instead of govt employees in centralized high population centers.Less govt employees and money going to a small local economy and better care seems like an improvement to me .....

My dad uses the VA and let me tell you the nightmare it has been. We live in Michigan and have to travel all over the state for his care. For his pace maker check; its a drive across to Ann Arbor. Time for his semiannual Lung and Pulmonary function test; across the state to Battle Creek. We do have a local outpatient clinic right here in town but out of the average 9-10 yearly appointments only TWO of them are here locally. Not only that but each specialized clinic has its own schedule, and rarely (like twice in 4 years) have we been able to schedule things the same day. My dad no longer drives, and has difficulty with remembering things about his care and conditions. I have to be able to take him to his appointments in order to hear for him, explain anything, answer questions and of course I have to transport him there. Having my own family I have had to get a job and now my father is missing many appointments because I cannot afford to miss work and lose my job. the VA is a nightmare.

What irks me the most about this mess is that all of his care is done at the local hospital right here. Even for the most specialized testing it would be at most a drive to Grand Rapids. At one point I had contacted the pacemaker manufacturer and they explained to me that even if you see a Dr. in a rural area they can have a tech come to them and perform the test. I talked to the VA about this and they cannot authorize it.

The answer is simple. Allow Veterans to use Doctors, Hospitals, and Facilities of their own choice where they live. The money would still come from the taxpayers but would at least be used in the community that the veteran resides. Not only this but it would allow more effective care as it would not be spread all over through dozens of different facilities and people. I also believe that care done in the private sector could be more efficient both in time and money, which would benefit the veteran and the taxpayers.

With the recent Veterans Affairs scandals in the news it is clear that our American Heroes deserve better, they need better, and we can do better for them.
 
More details from audit of VA healthcare scandal expected Monday
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-va-healthcare-audit-texas-20140606-story.html

As the acting secretary of Veterans Affairs tries to assure congressmen that he is moving to address the VA healthcare scandal, his department is preparing to release more results of a nationwide audit of scheduling practices that have been denounced as misleading and harmful to veterans.

The results are expected to be released Monday, as a House committee puts VA officials through another round of grilling over findings that VA employees falsified records to conceal long waits for medical appointments.
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The VA scandal moves to center stage on Capitol Hill next week, with the House Committee on Veterans’ Affairs due to hear Monday night from the inspector general and the Senate expected to take up a bill aimed at reducing veterans’ waits for healthcare.

The inspector general last week issued an interim report that sparked national outrage by finding a systemic problem nationwide in scheduling veterans for healthcare in a timely manner, including instances of VA staff falsifying records to cover up long waits. A final report is expected in August.

A VA doctor blinded Fred Reed:

A Medical Disaster
Dr. Philip Francis Stanley (Currently of Khoo Teck Phat Hospital in Singapore), Grotesque Malpractice, and Me
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Stanley-home1.shtml

He left me sitting at the slit lamp with no bandage, contact lens to prevent loss of aqueous, clear shield, or other protective measure or bandage over the eye. He did not tell me not to strain, squeeze, or touch the eye. However at no point did I touch or squeeze the eye, having been through far too much eye surgery over the years to do such a thing. In five or ten minutes a gurney was brought in. He placed me flat on my back on it. I lay there for an extended period of time while Dr. Stanley tried to assemble the necessary personnel to undertake surgery to close the eye. He did not place any sort of shield or bandage over the eye. In about a half hour or forty-five minutes Dr. Stanley put drops in the eye and suddenly I felt the most intense pain I had ever experienced. Someone said, “There’s blood coming from the eye.” I had suffered a choroidal hemorrhage. This hemorrhage has left the eye totally blind.
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The loss of the eye was a most unpleasant shock to me. I had expected to have normal or nearly normal vision in the eye and had planned to return to my work in journalism, having for example made tentative plans with Kara Hopkins, then the editor of The American Conservative, to go to Afghanistan for the magazine. Having been blinded, and thus unable to travel without my wife to help me, my reporting days were over. I became extremely depressed. The effects of losing one’s vision are hard to describe. Loss of a leg would be a nuisance, but losing one’s sight is ghastly.
 
If this causes semi privatization and allows these people to see the regular Dr in the town they live , would that not be an improvement of sorts ?

But, it doesn't allow them to see whoever they want. It only allows people that live x amount of miles from a certain doctor see whoever they want.

I personally went through this shit with Tricare - when I was active. My wife and kids and to jump through hoops, stand on one foot, face east and then fart twice just to make a fucking appointment.

This is what Obamacare will be, only much much worse...
 
But, it doesn't allow them to see whoever they want. It only allows people that live x amount of miles from a certain doctor see whoever they want.

I personally went through this shit with Tricare - when I was active. My wife and kids and to jump through hoops, stand on one foot, face east and then fart twice just to make a fucking appointment.

This is what Obamacare will be, only much much worse...

When I was active , I was in the hospital a few places a few times ,once they sent me to a private Hospital, but other than that never used any care . I sent my wife to a private clinic and just pd cash. I can imagine it is shit , no doubt .
 
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wire...ng-initial-va-visits-24057662?singlePage=true

More than 57,000 U.S. military veterans have been waiting 90 days or more for their first VA medical appointments, and an additional 64,000 appear to have fallen through the cracks, never getting appointments after enrolling and requesting them, the Veterans Affairs Department said Monday.

It's not just a backlog problem, the wide-ranging review indicated. Thirteen percent of schedulers in the facility-by-facility report on 731 hospitals and outpatient clinics reported being told by supervisors to falsify appointment schedules to make patient waits appear shorter.
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The VA believes it will need $300 million over the next three months to accelerate medical care for veterans who have been waiting for appointments, a senior agency official said in a conference call with reporters. That effort would include expanding clinics' hours and paying for some veterans to see non-VA providers. The official said he could not say how many additional health providers the VA would need to improve its service.

The report said 112 — or 15 percent — of the 731 VA facilities that auditors visited will require additional investigation, because of indications that data on patients' appointment dates may have been falsified, or that workers may have been instructed to falsify lists, or other problems.

Gibson also has ordered a hiring freeze at the Washington headquarters of the Veterans Health Administration, the VA's health care arm, and at 21 regional administrative offices, except for critical positions personally approved by him.

Boehner said the House would act on legislation this week to allow veterans waiting at least a month for VA appointments to see non-VA doctors, and said the Senate should approve it, too. An emerging bipartisan compromise in the Senate is broader than that, but senators have yet to vote on it.

SMH. They have to have waited a month in order to be "allowed..." So they can end up like this poor guy:

Death by government
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/05/28/death-by-government/

To recap: The government sent Isaac Sims man to fight a pointless war waged on a collection of false premises. When he returned, Veterans Affairs refused to treat the part of him that the war had broken. Left untreated, his post-traumatic stress disorder caused him to lash out. So the local government sent a SWAT team, which killed him

Senators urge DOJ to lead criminal probe of VA, as audit details problems
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/09/audit-over-57000-awaiting-initial-va-visits/

Nearly two-dozen senators issued a bipartisan call for the Justice Department to lead a criminal probe into the Veterans Affairs scandal, citing mounting evidence of secret waiting lists and other "potential criminal wrongdoing."

The letter to Attorney General Eric Holder came as the department released an internal review showing more than 57,000 veterans have been waiting for up to three months for medical appointments. An additional 64,000 who enrolled for VA health care over the past decade have never been seen by a doctor, according to the audit.
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The internal audit released Monday outlined additional problems. The audit said a 14-day target for waiting times was "not attainable," given growing demand for VA services and poor planning. It called the 2011 decision by senior VA officials setting it, and then basing bonuses on meeting the target "an organizational leadership failure."
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The audit is the third in a series of reports in the past month into long wait times and falsified records at VA facilities nationwide.
 
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