Verden Massacre - 4500 Saxon Nobles Beheaded for Refusing Hebrew Mythology (Christianity)

[JohnGalt1225]

And the ones who made the car are minds like yours. Guaran-frikkin-teed. Holding common people in contempt is the first red flag.

Rev9

I don't hold anyone "in contempt" but I do acknowledge reality. I know America loves to engage in some good ol' populist lovefests where the "common man" is deified and millionaire politicians trip all over themselves to appear to be "average joes" but I don't play that game. The reality is that the "common man" the "beer swilling football watchin' NASCAR lovin' joe sixpack" flips on Fox News two days before they go to vote and consistently elect guys like Obama, Gingrich, and Santorum. We live in a nation where Newt Gingrich, former SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, of all people is the "anti-establishment" candidate and for the most part the "common people" eat it up.

I don't hold anyone in contempt but I call a spade a spade and the "common man" keeps voting us into slavery. The sad truth is the "people" care mostly about their bread and circuses and put minimal thought into who they should vote to lead our nation. More Americans will probably vote in the American Idol finale than the Presidential election. If you choose to label reality as "contempt" then that is your choice but I refuse to engage in irrational bouts of hysterical populism.

 

[JohnGalt1225]

There was really no need. He was simply trolling for dollaz. But since we had to get on here and defend against or set straight false ideas as it were, about some of our faiths then I guess yer entitled. Make a mental note of that for next time when you go to spew false ideas about real Christians.

Rev9

You'd first have to define what a "real Christian" because to me that's a total moving target. Catholics think they're the real Christians, Mormons think they are, Orthodox think they are, Baptists think they are, Calvinists think they are, you seem to think only you are, etc etc. 99% of Christians probably define their religion in a way that's contrary to your idea of Christianity. You seem to follow some esoteric anti-materialist form of Christianity. Just know when I attack Christianity, I'm attacking it as defined by either Catholicism or mainstream Protestant thought.

 

[Revolution9]

You'd first have to define what a "real Christian"

One who to the best of their ability and circumstances attempts to follow the teachings of Christ in all their affairs. If they are uttering threats from the Old testament or using the verses from it to support their doctrine they are not true Christians. They are Judeo-Xtians. This is one marker that can lead you to discerning those who have gotten caught in false doctrines and teachings yet sport the moniker of Christian.

HTH
Rev9

 

[JohnGalt1225]

One who to the best of their ability and circumstances attempts to follow the teachings of Christ in all their affairs. If they are uttering threats from the Old testament or using the verses from it to support their doctrine they are not true Christians. They are Judeo-Xtians. This is one marker that can lead you to discerning those who have gotten caught in false doctrines and teachings yet sport the moniker of Christian.

HTH
Rev9

So how to reconcile this with the fact that Jesus was Jewish and Christianity is just an offshoot of the Jewish religion? You worship the Jewish God Yahweh, you use the Bible (even if you don't use the OT much the NT alludes to the OT) and the whole big point of Jesus is to be the long sought after Jewish Messiah. He's allegedly of the same bloodline of King David, a Jewish king.

No offense but this all sounds kind of intellectually dishonest. You want to be a Christian but you don't like the baggage attached to it so you just discard what you don't like. To me it's the same as saying "I love Jesus but hate religion," it's kind of intellectually dishonest considering you wouldn't know anything about Jesus or Christianity if not for organized "Judeo-Xianity."

 

[eduardo89]

His IQ is about 115. He reacts to entrainment techniques and is incapable of rapid symbolic analogy in varied contextual settings. He also does not understand myth except as a headbanger overcrunk on decibellage. He also thinks cookie monster vocals are awesome. Frikkin' poseurs. About as talented as most rap ghetto baggers although their vituperative blithering takes them into a realm of larger vocabulary.

rev9

You're being generous.

 

[Victor]

There is a reason to why atheist countries are a bit more peaceful on this earth.

Religion was forced down peoples' throats to make it easier to control them and sway public opinions. A sad but true fact.

Even to this day religion is used to justify wars & invasions. Just take a look at Bush's speeches, how he plays with religious terms to make the masses follow him.

This is an old power technic.

Anyway, Freedom of Religion.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

As a Deist I can just sit back and be amused by these kerfuffles between revelation, supernatural, miracle theists. Continue on, and if you want post more Amon Amarth because they are a good band, but not as good as older Ensiferum.



I love Viking Metal by the way.

PS: There's no other religious organization than the Quakers who have endured more beatings and deaths for standing true to their principles, principles which I find much in agreement with. If more 'Christians' were Quakers this world would be a much better place. This coming from someone who has no love of Christians.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Hebrew mythology almost 100% borrowed hodge-podge style from Babylonian and other prior religions, that is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden

Did they prefer their own tribes' myths instead of this queer foreign middle eastern mythology featuring a gentle skinny hebrew? We can only assume they did.

It's events like these which bring me to my thesis, modern Christians are the mentally weak-willed, lower IQ descendants of those Europeans who were too dumb or sheeplike to resist the Hebrew mythology being imposed on them like conquered subjects. People like myself, with high IQs, proud, perceptive, often find the Christian Hebrew mythology to be extremely distasteful and weird, downright absurd, in fact. It's not a question of agreeing ir disagreeing with the ethics, it's the whole "stench" of it, if you will, the stench of a foreign, queer tribe that is very unlike the proud pagan forest spirit mythologies of our tribal pagan ancestors.

So, if some of you Christians were suspicious of atheists because you think they're anti-christian, well, I think your ancestors laid down for the conquerers while your superiors were all beheaded in the forests like Verden or went underground.

Thoughts?

You're completely wrong. Read Rothbard: “The Importance of Christian Thought for the American Libertarian Movement: Christian Libertarianism, 1950–71 http://libertarianpapers.org/2010/14-haddigan-christian-libertarianism/

 

[heavenlyboy34]

There is a reason to why atheist countries are a bit more peaceful on this earth.

Religion was forced down peoples' throats to make it easier to control them and sway public opinions. A sad but true fact.

Even to this day religion is used to justify wars & invasions. Just take a look at Bush's speeches, how he plays with religious terms to make the masses follow him.

This is an old power technic.

Anyway, Freedom of Religion.

hmmm...try reading the history of the Soviet Union.

 

[Sola_Fide]

As a Deist I can just sit back and be amused by these kerfuffles between revelation, supernatural, miracle theists. Continue on, and if you want post more Amon Amarth because they are a good band, but not as good as older Ensiferum.



I love Viking Metal by the way.

You can't be neutral bro. You can say you are neutral, but God still has claims on you, right this moment. You have broken His law, and the Lawgiver demands a perfect lawkeeping.


God cannot allow sin in His presence, so what hope do you have on that day when God will call you to account? You were nice to your grandma? You worked hard? You were a vegetarian? What good work are you going to bring? What about your sin? The Scripture says:

James 2:10 NASB

For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.

That is what the law is. It is unyielding. It is terrible. It is the perfect moral character of God. If you break ONE law, you are guilty of all of it, and there is no one who can stand with God who has sin on his account.

The Scripture says:

Romans 2:13 NASB

for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.

Are you a doer of the law AED? Knowing that the standard of the law is perfection, can you say that you are a doer of the law? Have you ever lied? Ever stole? Were ever angry? Ever lusted?


Then how can you be justified before God when only the ones who follow the law perfectly can be justified?



I know how you can be saved from the wrath of God against your sin. There is a man who DID follow the law perfectly. There is a man who was a perfect doer of the law. The Scripture says if I have faith in this man's perfect law-keeping, then His perfect righteousness will become my own. The Scripture says (in an easier-to-understand rendering):

Romans 3:21-26 NLT

But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Moses and the prophets long ago.

We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.

For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin.

People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time.

God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.

I tell you this because I really like and respect you AED. We live in a moral universe and there is only one way of escape from the unyielding consequence of the law: faith in Jesus Christ.

Also, viking metal is too cartoonish for me. I'm an old hardcore guy myself. Shai Hulud, Strongarm, old Hopesfall

 

[eduardo89]

hmmm...try reading the history of the Soviet Union.

Or Mao. Or Kim Il-Sung.

 

[acptulsa]

The troll is dead, yet the troll thread is still getting bumped?

 

[Southron]

You'd first have to define what a "real Christian" because to me that's a total moving target.

It's easier to start with what a real Christian is not. A large majority of so-called "Christians" say there is no such thing as absolute truth. That should automatically disqualify them as being characterized as such.

 

[Muwahid]

There is a reason to why atheist countries are a bit more peaceful on this earth.

Religion was forced down peoples' throats to make it easier to control them and sway public opinions. A sad but true fact.

Even to this day religion is used to justify wars & invasions. Just take a look at Bush's speeches, how he plays with religious terms to make the masses follow him.

This is an old power technic.

Anyway, Freedom of Religion.

Pseudo-intellects of today have forced this point on the youth of today, and I've challenged anyone who believes it to stack up casualties from the wars of secular nations, and imperialistic nations, against theocracies. In the last century I can only think of one partial religious war, which was the war between Iraq and Iran, it was motivated by sectarianism, many died for sure. But then you have the world wars, vietnam, gulf war, you have the genocides of peoples by Marxist regimes as others have pointed out.

Religion is violent? Relative to what? If we have atheism on one side, and theism on the other, theism is almost always more peaceful and forgiving of ALL religions.

As for way Sweden is more peaceful than Iraq, ask America's foreign policy advisers. Trillions of dollars of oil, prior to this, the middle east had peace, none of us are old enough to remember that.

 

[justinjj]

As a Deist I can just sit back and be amused by these kerfuffles between revelation, supernatural, miracle theists. Continue on, and if you want post more Amon Amarth because they are a good band, but not as good as older Ensiferum.



I love Viking Metal by the way.

PS: There's no other religious organization than the Quakers who have endured more beatings and deaths for standing true to their principles, principles which I find much in agreement with. If more 'Christians' were Quakers this world would be a much better place. This coming from someone who has no love of Christians.

Let's just turn this thread into a viking/pagan metal thread.

 

[justinjj]

 

[justinjj]

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

You can't be neutral bro. You can say you are neutral, but God still has claims on you, right this moment. You have broken His law, and the Lawgiver demands a perfect lawkeeping.


God cannot allow sin in His presence, so what hope do you have on that day when God will call you to account? You were nice to your grandma? You worked hard? You were a vegetarian? What good work are you going to bring? What about your sin? The Scripture says:




That is what the law is. It is unyielding. It is terrible. It is the perfect moral character of God. If you break ONE law, you are guilty of all of it, and there is no one who can stand with God who has sin on his account.

The Scripture says:




Are you a doer of the law AED? Knowing that the standard of the law is perfection, can you say that you are a doer of the law? Have you ever lied? Ever stole? Were ever angry? Ever lusted?


Then how can you be justified before God when only the ones who follow the law perfectly can be justified?



I know how you can be saved from the wrath of God against your sin. There is a man who DID follow the law perfectly. There is a man who was a perfect doer of the law. The Scripture says if I have faith in this man's perfect law-keeping, then His perfect righteousness will become my own. The Scripture says (in an easier-to-understand rendering):





I tell you this because I really like and respect you AED. We live in a moral universe and there is only one way of escape from the unyielding consequence of the law: faith in Jesus Christ.

Also, viking metal is too cartoonish for me. I'm an old hardcore guy myself. Shai Hulud, Strongarm, old Hopesfall

This is what I find repulsive about Christianity in particular is this idea that if you don't give yourself to this 'God' then you shall forever be damned and rot in hell. I.E. Instead of using reason, logic, and persuasion you yield to threats and punishment. It's not appealing whatsoever especially when I as a Deist live a life that is more moral than a vast majority of Christians, but just because they say they have faith just so they don't rot in hell or whatever. They may even believe that lie so much they think it truth. I don't care what you believe to be honest. I care how a person acts. If your God is so childish to care more about people worshiping him than the way they live and act, I want no part. (Further also because Natural Law is immutable)

I respect and like you also, and in this area we will just have to disagree amiably.

 

[JohnGalt1225]

You can't be neutral bro. You can say you are neutral, but God still has claims on you, right this moment. You have broken His law, and the Lawgiver demands a perfect lawkeeping.


God cannot allow sin in His presence, so what hope do you have on that day when God will call you to account? You were nice to your grandma? You worked hard? You were a vegetarian? What good work are you going to bring? What about your sin? The Scripture says:




That is what the law is. It is unyielding. It is terrible. It is the perfect moral character of God. If you break ONE law, you are guilty of all of it, and there is no one who can stand with God who has sin on his account.

The Scripture says:




Are you a doer of the law AED? Knowing that the standard of the law is perfection, can you say that you are a doer of the law? Have you ever lied? Ever stole? Were ever angry? Ever lusted?


Then how can you be justified before God when only the ones who follow the law perfectly can be justified?



I know how you can be saved from the wrath of God against your sin. There is a man who DID follow the law perfectly. There is a man who was a perfect doer of the law. The Scripture says if I have faith in this man's perfect law-keeping, then His perfect righteousness will become my own. The Scripture says (in an easier-to-understand rendering):





I tell you this because I really like and respect you AED. We live in a moral universe and there is only one way of escape from the unyielding consequence of the law: faith in Jesus Christ.

Also, viking metal is too cartoonish for me. I'm an old hardcore guy myself. Shai Hulud, Strongarm, old Hopesfall

I don't desire to follow god's laws nor his commandments. I don't ask for his sacrifice nor do I desire his salvation. I don't want to follow a god who asks for me to grovel on bended knee and sacrifice my reason and become blindly obedient. I simply do not believe the god of the Bible exists but even if I did I would not worship him simply because I don't believe him to be moral. The history of the OT reads like something I would expect from a dictator and the NT god is no better. Hell is simply unjust and immoral and I will not ever follow any god that purports to support such a monstrous evil idea.

If I'm wrong and I die and meet Yahweh so be it. I will accept my fate and I won't beg forgiveness because I don't believe I have anything to be sorry for. You say that we're all under god's law but I don't acknowledge his law.

 

[JohnGalt1225]

This is what I find repulsive about Christianity in particular is this idea that if you don't give yourself to this 'God' then you shall forever be damned and rot in hell. I.E. Instead of using reason, logic, and persuasion you yield to threats and punishment. It's not appealing whatsoever especially when I as a Deist live a life that is more moral than a vast majority of Christians, but just because they say they have faith just so they don't rot in hell or whatever. They may even believe that lie so much they think it truth. I don't care what you believe to be honest. I care how a person acts. If your God is so childish to care more about people worshiping him than the way they live and act, I want no part. (Further also because Natural Law is immutable)

I respect and like you also, and in this area we will just have to disagree amiably.

I agree completely. Hell is a repulsive and vile teaching and any god that designed such a torture chamber I would not and could not under good conscience support such a god.