Ventura is walking a tightrope.

[HaddEnuff]

I hope he doesn't go too far into 9/11 truth?

Why? What exactly do you have against the truth?

 

[HaddEnuff]

Guys, it just doesn't matter at this point.

Of course it does. That's why murder has no statute of limitations.

We've got bigger problems now that need addressing and like it or not, 9/11 makes us look bad to most people.

Most people who aren't going to join the movement anyway. People who swallow the MSM propoganda hook, line and sinker.
If we were worried about what they think, this movement would have never gotten off the ground.

Look, the government lied about 9/11. Anyone with a working brain knows that. Could enough evidence be gathered up to prove it in court? As far as I know, it would be the first time.

But......for the first time in the history of man, fire....and fire ALONE, brought down a major steel-structured building (WTC7). The government's words, not mine.

So you see, there's a first time for everything.

 

[HaddEnuff]

It also shows that 26.4% believe some people in gov't knew attacks would happen and did nothing to stop them. I might choose that option knowing that the FBI agent wrote warning memos about the ME men learning to fly and not land.

If that's not the definition of "inside job" please explain to me what is?

 

[Maltheus]

Of course it does. That's why murder has no statute of limitations.

In a war, you don't attempt to prosecute every enemy soldier who shot at one of yours. You look at it as a whole and pick the objectives that will end the war as soon as possible. 9/11 was one shot in this war, but even if we get our day in court, it won't really change anything.

Let's say we finally convinced people of 9/11. You know it would be blamed on the Bush administration and people would move past it once Obama gets in. It's a single event. I'm more concerned with overthrowing the system itself. If anything, convincing people 9/11 was an inside job would only solidify democrat/socialist control over us for many years to come.

We have to use our resources effectively. I personally know of several people who, while well versed in Austrian economics, dropped out of the Ron Paul movement because they wanted nothing to do with the truthers. Shrinking our movement in an attempt to prosecute a single crime will lose us the war. We should focus on the few issues we all agree on, like the fed and income taxes. The rest will take care of itself if we win on those.

 

[HaddEnuff]

Quote:
Originally Posted by winston_blade
I hope he doesn't go too far into 9/11 truth?

I hope the same for everyone.
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VENTURA '12

 

[Perry]

He just asked some Questions.

Questions don't scare you, do they?

Nicely done Frank.

 

[demolama]

I think Ventura's point was very clear... If we were willing to fight 2 wars because of countries with supposed connections to OBL then why is he not charged with the 9/11 attacks? Isn't that why we invaded Afghanistan to find OBL and to oust the Taliban who supported him?? Isn't that the reason behind taking out Saddam because he had "connections" with OBL and we were afraid OBL would get WMD from Saddam??

This has nothing to do with 9/11 conspiracy its more of accountability. Those who rush to war based on false information are neglectful of their duties and should be held responsible for their rush to judge.

We are in two wars because of 9/11 and as of right now there "isn't enough evidence" to charge OBL for 9/11 the reason for the 2 wars

 

[HaddEnuff]

In a war, you don't attempt to prosecute every enemy soldier who shot at one of yours. You look at it as a whole and pick the objectives that will end the war as soon as possible. 9/11 was one shot in this war, but even if we get our day in court, it won't really change anything.

When does it become too late for justice? 1913? 2001?

Let's say we finally convinced people of 9/11. You know it would be blamed on the Bush administration

Why not let the judicial system sort that one out? Who knows how far down the rabbit hole this thing goes.

and people would move past it once Obama gets in.

Could your crystal ball also tell me who’s going to win the 7th race at Belmont this afternoon? I could use a little extra cash.

It's a single event.

Perhaps the single most important event of our lifetime.
A single event that has led this country into two unconstitutional wars, an attack on our liberties, and put us on the verge of bankruptcy.

I'm more concerned with overthrowing the system itself.

Uh, yeah. That’s pretty much the entire reason for investigating 9/11.

If anything, convincing people 9/11 was an inside job would only solidify democrat/socialist control over us for many years to come.

If the people of this country are that dumbed-down, then there really isn’t any hope, is there.

We have to use our resources effectively. I personally know of several people who, while well versed in Austrian economics, dropped out of the Ron Paul movement because they wanted nothing to do with the truthers.

Did you ask your “friends” if they interview every shopper in their grocery store every single time they go there to make sure they are in total agreement with every one of them, every time on every issue, so that they can feel secure in shopping there on a regular basis?

Shrinking our movement in an attempt to prosecute a single crime will lose us the war.

If people want to leave the movement, they'll find a reason.

We should focus on the few issues we all agree on, like the fed and income taxes. The rest will take care of itself if we win on those.

O.K., well are you going to take it upon yourself to make out the questionnaire so that we can survey each and every member and make sure we all think exactly alike?
Let me ask you something, do you honestly believe that every voter planning on voting for either McCain or Obama think exactly the same on every issue?

 

[Peace&Freedom]

I think Ventura's point was very clear... If we were willing to fight 2 wars because of countries with supposed connections to OBL then why is he not charged with the 9/11 attacks? Isn't that why we invaded Afghanistan to find OBL and to oust the Taliban who supported him?? Isn't that the reason behind taking out Saddam because he had "connections" with OBL and we were afraid OBL would get WMD from Saddam??

This has nothing to do with 9/11 conspiracy its more of accountability. Those who rush to war based on false information are neglectful of their duties and should be held responsible for their rush to judge.

We are in two wars because of 9/11 and as of right now there "isn't enough evidence" to charge OBL for 9/11 the reason for the 2 wars

True, and the problem is there are loads of 9-11 questions just like the OBL one, but the truth avoiders would rather stay silent on the matter while the neocons continue to scream their "9-11" victory cant into the forseeable future. Such silence amounts to self-imposed impotence before an enemy whose emotional rally cry will lead them to political wins, while we keep gazing our navel. 'Paul supporters' who can't tolerate a 2 minute talk on 9-11 across a 6 hour rally, are tempermentally too thin-skinned to move this Revolution forward.

 

[Maltheus]

When does it become too late for justice? 1913? 2001?

How about freedom first? Once we have that, I'm happy to revisit the issue.

Why not let the judicial system sort that one out? Who knows how far down the rabbit hole this thing goes.

You must have more faith in our judicial system than I do.

Could your crystal ball also tell me who’s going to win the 7th race at Belmont this afternoon? I could use a little extra cash.

Not sure about the 7th, but Lucky Lady in the 4th is a sure bet.

Perhaps the single most important event of our lifetime.

A single event that has led this country into two unconstitutional wars, an attack on our liberties, and put us on the verge of bankruptcy.

I think it's more important that people understand that even if the government account was true, it still wouldn't be a justification for giving up our liberties are bankrupting this nation. In fact, a 9/11 every single month wouldn't be worth that in my opinion.

And besides, the official account makes a better case against empire than does the true account, since it was supposedly done in response to our mucking around in Muslim countries. If we hinge peoples beliefs on when war is justified to whether or not it was an inside job or not, then all it takes is a real attack for all our efforts to be undermined. And there's certainly enough hatred out there to justify a genuine attack.

O.K., well are you going to take it upon yourself to make out the questionnaire so that we can survey each and every member and make sure we all think exactly alike?

Let me ask you something, do you honestly believe that every voter planning on voting for either McCain or Obama think exactly the same on every issue?

Obviously people don't think alike on this issue. That's the whole point. But there are core Ron Paul issues that pretty much every supporter out there agrees upon. Those issues are the fed, taxes and reducing the size/power of government. Those are the issues that have drawn in a wide variety of people. And that's more than enough for a movement to focus on. If we take care of those, then everything else follows.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

all he asked was 2 questions about it.

come on people

nit pickin abit are we?


I didn't hear him scream

INSIDE JOB!

and rant about it

he asked why we haven't formally charged them

I agree with that don't you?