Ventura ended his chance to run as President...

[Flash]

4 years from now the truth movement will become a massive force. Do not underestimate that.

Is the 9/11 Truth movement really growing that fast?

 

[Zera]

Is the 9/11 Truth movement really growing that fast?

It's not. And the association of just the small minority of Paul supporters being truthers harmed the campaign before the primaries. It did, and don't deny.

The truther movement will never get big because everyone thinks it's just stupid. I really don't care either way myself, but many just won't stand for it.

 

[cindy25]

just try convincing people that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance.

the average person just is so dumb sometimes

 

[richardfortherepublic]

That pissed me off when someone called up during the comment part before Ron's speech, saying he was a McCain supporter and he wanted concentration camps, then said 'on the other hand, Viva Revolution!'

That's the kind of stuff that makes me never want to say 9/11 was an 'inside job' (it wasn't, Americans didn't fly into the buildings or plant bombs. That's what saying 'inside job' would suggest.. its far more complicated then that.)

But doing stuff like that discredits the legitimacy of our movement.

A lot of you "truthers" favorite movie is V for Vendetta. One man stood up, and people took notice... throughout most of the movie, you would think that he didn't have the support of the people, but this was not true...

The state did not allow such dissent, and it was personal conversations with their neighbors and friends, not obnoxious vulgar screaming and endless questioning in the spotlight that eventually turned the tides for the favor of the people.

And when the time was right, they showed their presence in the face of tyranny.

Shouldn't the truthers know by now that the MSN will stray and skew the real meaning of your protests, and they will convey their interpretation of your views to the public.

9/11 truth needs to reconsider their "campaign."

*Edit* That being said, Jesse handled himself like a pro. While 9/11 truth may find it easy to leave their comfort zones of perceived reality, it is difficult for middle America to do so while they are raising a family with hard work, and loyalty to their nation (not suggesting truthers aren't, quite the contrary, but you understand)

It is exactly like convincing an average American to take LSD, because it will change their reality for the better... while this is not always true. Alot of people may take it and it will improve their lives vastly, but there will always be the few that it will destroy... This is because not everyone is ready to see what is on the other side of their perceived reality.

So it is extremely important to work within the confines of their reality... this can be achieved by the asking of simple questions that may be remaining in the minds of Americans, without spewing 'magic bullet' theories.

 

[max]

He did so when he made it pretty apparent that he is a truther on TV. This would be brought up instantly... Do you see that running very smoothly at all? We still have time to pick someone, let's not just rush into something just because he's all we know as of the very moment.

So you prefer being a 9/11 "falser" as opposed to a truther?

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

My 72 year old mother said when she saw Jesse Ventura on tv she thought he was crazy...that's mainstream America. Most people dont' know what we know..and it sounds very foreign and nutty to them. Somehow we have to ease them into the truth..but how? tones

 

[Imperial]

I personally think we should run with Gary Johnson in the primaries for the Repubs, and if we cannot win with him then go to Ventura.

But I don't see a huge umbrella movement coming from that. No, sadly I think we must wait a few years for a new standardbearer of liberty.

However, we must use the time before then to build the Campaign for Liberty. Congress, State Legislature, Local Positions, Grassroots, the works.

Then, when that figure arises, we will all know it in our hearts. And we will be ready.

 

[V-rod]

I think Ventura just brought up 9/11 truth on tv and radio because its a good way to get people to stop asking him to run for office and let him enjoy his retirement in Mexico.

 

[pacelli]

He did so when he made it pretty apparent that he is a truther on TV. This would be brought up instantly... Do you see that running very smoothly at all? We still have time to pick someone, let's not just rush into something just because he's all we know as of the very moment.

I didn't see it that way at all. I see it as a former Governor and Navy veteran who was asking some questions about the way in which the DoJ and FBI are choosing to conduct their prosecution of OBL. Valid questions that should have been asked long ago.

 

[FrankRep]

I didn't see it that way at all. I see it as a former Governor and Navy veteran who was asking some questions about the way in which the DoJ and FBI are choosing to conduct their prosecution of OBL. Valid questions that should have been asked long ago.

Jesse Ventura was on the Alex Jones show before and said he doesn't believe in the official 9/11 story.

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

It's not. And the association of just the small minority of Paul supporters being truthers harmed the campaign before the primaries. It did, and don't deny.

The truther movement will never get big because everyone thinks it's just stupid. I really don't care either way myself, but many just won't stand for it.

That is simply not true, truthers are not minority but the majority. You never noticed this poll or what?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1645912#post1645912

 

[evilfunnystuff]

I didn't see it that way at all. I see it as a former Governor and Navy veteran who was asking some questions about the way in which the DoJ and FBI are choosing to conduct their prosecution of OBL. Valid questions that should have been asked long ago.

NAVY SEAL

dont forget harvard professor

hmmm what ekse

 

[richardfortherepublic]

Just because he is of a higher intellect then someone else that says the opposite, doesn't mean he is correct.

 

[Trigonx]

For the people who hate the truthers and can't stand why they keep trying to speak out the un-popular message that they do, take a few minutes or hours and see why they act and speak out like they do. Try to understand the questions that are asked by victim's families.

I think that the truth movement can only grow, Truth is truth and doesn't change because some one doesn't like the truth. If they were telling us complete bullshit don't you think it'd be dubbed another name besides the "truth movement" by people who are against it.

 

[richardfortherepublic]

That pissed me off when someone called up during the comment part before Ron's speech, saying he was a McCain supporter and he wanted concentration camps, then said 'on the other hand, Viva Revolution!'

That's the kind of stuff that makes me never want to say 9/11 was an 'inside job' (it wasn't, Americans didn't fly into the buildings or plant bombs. That's what saying 'inside job' would suggest.. its far more complicated then that.)

But doing stuff like that discredits the legitimacy of our movement.

A lot of you "truthers" favorite movie is V for Vendetta. One man stood up, and people took notice... throughout most of the movie, you would think that he didn't have the support of the people, but this was not true...

The state did not allow such dissent, and it was personal conversations with their neighbors and friends, not obnoxious vulgar screaming and endless questioning in the spotlight that eventually turned the tides for the favor of the people.

And when the time was right, they showed their presence in the face of tyranny.

Shouldn't the truthers know by now that the MSN will stray and skew the real meaning of your protests, and they will convey their interpretation of your views to the public.

9/11 truth needs to reconsider their "campaign."

*Edit* That being said, Jesse handled himself like a pro. While 9/11 truth may find it easy to leave their comfort zones of perceived reality, it is difficult for middle America to do so while they are raising a family with hard work, and loyalty to their nation (not suggesting truthers aren't, quite the contrary, but you understand)

It is exactly like convincing an average American to take LSD, because it will change their reality for the better... while this is not always true. Alot of people may take it and it will improve their lives vastly, but there will always be the few that it will destroy... This is because not everyone is ready to see what is on the other side of their perceived reality.

So it is extremely important to work within the confines of their reality... this can be achieved by the asking of simple questions that may be remaining in the minds of Americans, without spewing 'magic bullet' theories.

quoting myself...

It does matter how you act, because it is your demeanor that may convince people to listen to you.

 

[Mini-Me]

That is simply not true, truthers are not minority but the majority. You never noticed this poll or what?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1645912#post1645912

I mentioned to you in another thread that you give way too much weight to certain evidence and bathe it in superlatives to pretend like it's irrefutable, and that hurts your credibility in the eyes of objective people.

This is another pretty good example, although the superlative descriptions are in this case implied rather than expressed. You're using a poll conducted by Ron Paul Forums members, and not just any RPF members, but those who chose to participate in a thread regarding 9/11 truth (i.e. those not annoyed enough to ignore it), and acting as if they are representative of the US population as a whole. Can you seriously say with a straight face that we at RPF are actually a representative sample of the entire US population? If we were, Ron Paul would have easily won the Republican primary! Seriously, do you not even see the problems with your methodology?

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

I mentioned to you in another thread that you give way too much weight to certain evidence and bathe it in superlatives to pretend like it's irrefutable, and that hurts your credibility in the eyes of objective people.

This is another pretty good example, although the superlative descriptions are in this case implied rather than expressed. You're using a poll conducted by Ron Paul Forums members, and not just any RPF members, but those who chose to participate in a thread regarding 9/11 truth (i.e. those not annoyed enough to ignore it), and acting as if they are representative of the US population as a whole. Can you seriously say with a straight face that we at RPF are actually a representative sample of the entire US population? If we were, Ron Paul would have easily won the Republican primary! Seriously, do you not even see the problems with your methodology?

Mini-Mi, do you consider yourself as an objective person?

You're using a poll conducted by Ron Paul Forums members, and not just any RPF members, but those who chose to participate in a thread regarding 9/11 truth (i.e. those not annoyed enough to ignore it),

That was really so objective of you

What can I do if you cannot even accept the undeniable evidence.

At the end, those who do not vote are not counted. Its like if you are telling me that GWB is not the president of the United States because some registered voters chose not to vote for whatever reason (ex: not interested etc....). What kind of logic is that?

At the end of the day those who voted are those who count and at the end of the day GWB is the president of United States and at the end of the day truthers are the majority.

It is not that difficult man.

 

[Mini-Me]

Mini-Mi, do you consider yourself as an objective person?


That was really so objective of you

What can I do if you cannot even accept the undeniable evidence.

At the end, those who do not vote are not counted. Its like if you are telling me that GWB is not the president of the United States because some registered voters chose not to vote for whatever reason (ex: not interested etc....). What kind of logic is that?

At the end of the day those who voted are those who count and at the end of the day GWB is the president of United States and at the end of the day truthers are the majority.

It is not that difficult man.

ARE YOU EVEN KIDDING ME? Is this April fricking first?

You're attacking MY objectivity because I'm pointing out that the poll isn't in any way representative of the population, and therefore cannot be used to infer the mindset of Americans in general? You're calling such an obviously biased poll "undeniable evidence?" THAT is the sign of someone lacking in objectivity. I won't even group you in with the rest of the truthers anymore, because I believe that any respectable truther would be insulted by the association. In fact, I pray for their sake that you're not even a real truther, and that you're just some hack who's purposely trying to make them look as moronic as possible.

To show you how absurd your logic is, consider what would happen if the MSM polled the members of the Bush administration today and asked them what they think about 9/11:
When 99% respond saying it was Al Qaeda (and odds are 100% would respond that way), would you really consider that sample to be representative of the US population as a whole? If you consistently held that poll to the same weak standards that you hold the RPF poll, you'd have no choice but to answer "Yes." However, that would completely contradict prior results obtained from the RPF poll - after all, 99% of Americans cannot believe Al Qaeda did 9/11 when the majority believe it was an inside job (unless people are so fickle that the majority of Americans did a total 180 on this in the last week and a half).

The point here is that NEITHER poll can accurately reflect the mindset of Americans as a whole, because NEITHER poll is in any way representative.

Do you seriously have the audacity to argue with me on this point? After my last post in this thread, I was sure you'd back down and say, "You know what? Good point. That poll isn't really representative, so I can't use it as evidence to bolster my argument. I'm going to find a poll that uses a better sample and report back." No remotely rational person, especially a truther, should be so entirely unable to recognize your blatant logical error. I'm utterly shocked by your complete lack of objectivity, particularly considering your haste in wrongfully accusing others of the same.

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

ARE YOU EVEN KIDDING ME? Is this April fricking first?

You're attacking MY objectivity because I'm pointing out that the poll isn't in any way representative of the population, and therefore cannot be used to infer the mindset of Americans in general? You're calling such an obviously biased poll "undeniable evidence?" THAT is the sign of someone lacking in objectivity. I won't even group you in with the rest of the truthers anymore, because I believe that any respectable truther would be insulted by the association. In fact, I pray for their sake that you're not even a real truther, and that you're just some hack who's purposely trying to make them look as moronic as possible.

To show you how absurd your logic is, consider what would happen if the MSM polled the members of the Bush administration today and asked them what they think about 9/11:
When 99% respond saying it was Al Qaeda (and odds are 100% would respond that way), would you really consider that sample to be representative of the US population as a whole? If you consistently held that poll to the same weak standards that you hold the RPF poll, you'd have no choice but to answer "Yes." However, that would completely contradict prior results obtained from the RPF poll - after all, 99% of Americans cannot believe Al Qaeda did 9/11 when the majority believe it was an inside job (unless people are so fickle that the majority of Americans did a total 180 on this in the last week and a half).

The point here is that NEITHER poll can accurately reflect the mindset of Americans as a whole, because NEITHER poll is in any way representative.

Do you seriously have the audacity to argue with me on this point? After my last post in this thread, I was sure you'd back down and say, "You know what? Good point. That poll isn't really representative, so I can't use it as evidence to bolster my argument. I'm going to find a poll that uses a better sample and report back." No remotely rational person, especially a truther, should be so entirely unable to recognize your blatant logical error. I'm utterly shocked by your complete lack of objectivity, particularly considering your haste in wrongfully accusing others of the same.

Here is the poll


Man what are you talking about? I never claimed that this poll represents the ENTIRE population. All what I am saying is that this poll (plus all previous polls) is a clear sign that the majority of Ron Paul supporters are Truthers whether you like it or not. We have over 70% of 112 voters believe that 9/11 crimes were connected some how to the government.

But then you come to me with such obscured argument and talk about the entire population.

 

[LibertyEagle]

V4RonPaul:

That is a little bitty poll, that sampled a very small subset of Ron's supporters. It proves NOTHING.