Venezuela was my home, and socialism destroyed it

You tell me, you are the one who wants there to be such a thing as a "mixed" economy.

Public Sector Employment in Venezuela Is Not So Large as the Associated Press Suggests
Published: 11 October 2012

An Associated Press article dated October 9 states that Venezuela has

“ at least 2.4 million national government employees, making up 8 percent of the country's population. By comparison, the United States, with tenfold the population, has almost the same number of federal employees, at 2.7 million.”

If Venezuela really had 10 times as many public employees as the U.S., relative to its labor force, this would be amazing. However it is not true.

Venezuela actually has, according to the latest statistics, 2.49 million public employees – including all levels of government. With a labor force of about 13.5 million, this is about 18.4 percent of the labor force. (Labor force is a better denominator than total population because of different demographics between countries).

The U.S. as of September 2012 had 22 million public employees, or 14.2 percent of the labor force. Thus the difference in public employment between Venezuela and the U.S. is therefore about 4 percentage points.

One reason for the AP’s misleading comparison is that it does not take into account that most public employees in the U.S. (19.2 million of 22 million) are employed at the state and local level. In most other countries, including Venezuela, the reverse is true.

Of course the U.S. has a relatively low level of public employment compared to other high-income countries. France, Finland, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway all have public sector employment percentages in the 20s, with France at 22 percent and Norway at 29 percent.

In this article, the author is using Venezuela’s public employment to argue that Chávez had a big advantage over his opponent in the recent election. However this is not clear. Most of the wealth and income of the country still belongs to people who oppose the government, and several studies show that the majority of the media (pdf) was biased in favor of Capriles. Whether Chávez’s speeches on television could compensate for this overall media bias against him is not at all clear.

Political scientist Justin Delacour, who has studied media coverage of Venezuela for many years, argues that this article shows a considerable double standard on the part of AP. He writes: “I cannot recall one time in all my years of reading AP reports that these sorts of electoral advantages have ever been discussed by your newswire. It is only when a left-wing party acquires significant PR resources that your newswire is suddenly so concerned about fairness on the PR front in a country's electoral process.” He notes that most media in Latin America are biased in favor of right-wing or center-right parties, but that has not been an issue in AP reporting.

http://cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-...not-so-large-as-the-associated-press-suggests

And another AP article that not only criticizes socialism but savages the Chavez govt in its report.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-...tes-venezuelan-economy-despite-chavez-crusade

My answer would be that a country is definitely socialist if more than 75% of the GDP comes from the public sector. For me, it has to be a super majority :)
 
http://cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-...not-so-large-as-the-associated-press-suggests

And another AP article that not only criticizes socialism but savages the Chavez govt in its report.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-...tes-venezuelan-economy-despite-chavez-crusade

My answer would be that a country is definitely socialist if more than 75% of the GDP comes from the public sector. For me, it has to be a super majority :)
How many private companies must be nationalized?
 
How many private companies must be nationalized?

I like your strategy, answering all my questions with mre questions. Its an easy way to dodge answering hard questions. Carryon man, I will return when u grow some balls
 
I like your strategy, answering all my questions with mre questions. Its an easy way to dodge answering hard questions. Carryon man, I will return when u grow some balls
LOL

My strategy is to make you commit to specifics instead of just chanting "that's not real socialism".

I see you don't want to deal with the nationalizations and we haven't even gotten to all of the price controls yet.

LOL
 
Sanctions destroyed Venezuela before socialism polices could even take roots. Sanctions had being place on Venezuela three times.

That doesn't matter to those who are buying what Rand is selling


Its clear Rand Paul is not like his father when it comes to regime changes, when in fact Rand Paul is on supporting a regime change in Venezuela.

This latest Venezuela pablum is from the guy that endorsed Mitt Romney before the convention. If anyone here had done that, they would have been insta-banned. But Rand is a Paul, so it's better to just obey and not question. Even if it goes against everything Ron Paul stood for over 30+ years. Rand was and is his father's worst nightmare. He has either alienated many of his fathers supporters or taken them for granted. Well not me, I'm here for principles not people. F rand.



That was after Papa Paul lied to his supporters about making a deal, so as to keep the money flowing in. It's a tragic end to a superb career, one where Ron Paul was the only truth teller in the wasteland that is Washington, District of Crininals.

The proper response to this Venezuela nonsense is this:





Is Tulsi Perfect?

Hell NO- but we were all told repeatedly in 2012 that no candidate is perfect. Rand said so himself, while endorsing a disgusting person for president. As soon as someone better comes along with a similar anti-war message (right now Tulsi is the only one) I'll support them. The most important thing now is that the US stop blowing the future on bombing and invading other countries. How many more Trillions are the American people going to allow to be squandered?
 
That doesn't matter to those who are buying what Rand is selling




This latest Venezuela pablum is from the guy that endorsed Mitt Romney before the convention. If anyone here had done that, they would have been insta-banned. But Rand is a Paul, so it's better to just obey and not question. Even if it goes against everything Ron Paul stood for over 30+ years. Rand was and is his father's worst nightmare. He has either alienated many of his fathers supporters or taken them for granted. Well not me, I'm here for principles not people. F rand.



That was after Papa Paul lied to his supporters about making a deal, so as to keep the money flowing in. It's a tragic end to a superb career, one where Ron Paul was the only truth teller in the wasteland that is Washington, District of Crininals.

The proper response to this Venezuela nonsense is this:





Is Tulsi Perfect?

Hell NO- but we were all told repeatedly in 2012 that no candidate is perfect. Rand said so himself, while endorsing a disgusting person for president. As soon as someone better comes along with a similar anti-war message (right now Tulsi is the only one) I'll support them. The most important thing now is that the US stop blowing the future on bombing and invading other countries. How many more Trillions are the American people going to allow to be squandered?

Tulsi isn't just not perfect, she is not even close:

https://twitter.com/TheView/status/1098280827048194048

 
The proper response to this Venezuela nonsense is this:


It is the proper response.

And our response should be to close the borders and cease all immigration, especially from failed socialist states.

If they want to survive on zoo animals and pograms, that's on them. Tough shit for them, I say.

Don't even think about bringing that trash here.
 
More like CIAism is destroying Venezuela. I wonder why we are ignoring the un Federal non Reserve having Federal Reserve. The CIA has been trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government for decades, thats what destroying Venezuela. The Petro Dollar anyone? It couldn't be all the oil Venezuela has that "Socialism" wants to destroy is it?
 
More like CIAism is destroying Venezuela. I wonder why we are ignoring the un Federal non Reserve having Federal Reserve. The CIA has been trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government for decades, thats what destroying Venezuela. The Petro Dollar anyone? It couldn't be all the oil Venezuela has that "Socialism" wants to destroy is it?
It really is just this simple.
 
This latest Venezuela pablum is from the guy that endorsed Mitt Romney before the convention. If anyone here had done that, they would have been insta-banned.

That's only because there was a rogue moderator at the time who was still trying to push for Ron to get nominated and give a speech from the convention floor against the wishes of Ron himself and banned people for supporting Ron Paul's decision.

Rand did nothing wrong in that endorsement.

Criticizing Venezuela's socialism is not pablum. Nor is it calling for regime change. A person can criticize the destructive socialist policies of foreign regimes and warn their own countrymen not to follow that same destructive path without calling for regime change there. In fact, I don't see how we can do anything other than that.
 
It is the proper response.

And our response should be to close the borders and cease all immigration, especially from failed socialist states.

If they want to survive on zoo animals and pograms, that's on them. Tough shit for them, I say.

Don't even think about bringing that trash here.

But up until 2 weeks ago we were the number one purchaser of their oil. 41% of what they produced was sold to us, while all imports of everything from anywhere was halted. You seem to think like I do on a lot of topics - how do you balance that subsidizing the oppressive government (who again, won't allow anything anybody else sells to be imported) with the "we need to stay out of it?"

I know how Ron Paul feels. Trade with anybody. I'm not that person. I boycott companies I don't like, even though I'm usually the only participant in said boycott, because I don't want to fund their nonsense. The same people who demand we trade with socialists even though they're not trading with us are the same people who get pissy when we trade arms.

Screw the liberals - starve them to death. If we have to stop buying their oil, then so be it.
 
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I know how Ron Paul feels. Trade with anybody. I'm not that person. I boycott companies I don't like, even though I'm usually the only participant in said boycott, because I don't want to fund their nonsense.

I don't think Ron Paul would oppose you in that. Voluntary participation in a boycott is exactly what someone with your views should do, and if they want others to join them, then try to convince them to by their own choice.

This philosophy should replace all trade sanctions.
 
I don't think Ron Paul would oppose you in that. Voluntary participation in a boycott is exactly what someone with your views should do, and if they want others to join them, then try to convince them to by their own choice.

This philosophy should replace all trade sanctions.

What is so maddening here is that Venezuela doesn't allow imports from anybody. We don't need trade sanctions, and that's not what this is.
 
But up until 2 weeks ago we were the number one purchaser of their oil. 41% of what they produced was sold to us, while all imports of everything from anywhere was halted. You seem to think like I do on a lot of topics - how do you balance that subsidizing the oppressive government (who again, won't allow anything anybody else sells to be imported) with the "we need to stay out of it?"

I know how Ron Paul feels. Trade with anybody. I'm not that person. I boycott companies I don't like, even though I'm usually the only participant in said boycott, because I don't want to fund their nonsense. The same people who demand we trade with socialists even though they're not trading with us are the same people who get pissy when we trade arms.

Screw the liberals - starve them to death. If we have to stop buying their oil, then so be it.

I agree.

We have more than enough supply here to make up the paltry amounts being bought.

Keep in mind Venezualan crude is high sulfur "black" crude of fairly low quality, less demand these days for that anyway,
 
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