Veganism - The China Study

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Anyone else read or heard of this book, The China Study? I just read it a couple weeks ago and have been on a vegan diet since then, almost entirely for health reasons.

Anyone else vegan, or thinking about going vegan? I highly recommend this book to anyone concerned about long term health. It's not a diet book, and doesn't tell you what to eat. It's definitely got some political flavor to it as well, in the last section of the book.
 
I've thought about it, but vegans substitute soy protein for animal protein in my experience, and this is NOT good for males (soy is a natural estrogen! :eek: )
 
The China study ignored certain considerations.
If you compare a (adult onset) vegan diet with a western omega 6, corn/cornfed animal protein diet, you will see the (adult onset) vegans outlive the "meateaters" in just about every case.

Any impartial, comprehensive study would take into consideration the quality of the animal products consumed instead of looking at a McDonald's cheeseburger and saying "This is meat and dairy. It's bad!" A good study would also include peoples such as the long living Hunza of northern India or the centenarians of the Caucasus mountains in Ukraine. Without exception, the healthiest, longest living peoples on the planet consume animal fats and proteins and understand its importance to healthy offspring.

Vegans can indeed live long, productive lives, but if they have children after their fat soluble vitamins have been depleted, they are condemning their children to chronic health issues associated with undeveloped skeletal structure as well as malnutrition of the brain. The "forgiveness" programmed into this design is that an infant develops quite a lot after birth. If a vegan has a malnourished baby, it is possible to salvage some of its genetic potential by feeding it well as a newborn. Unfortuanately, most vegans also feed their starving newborns in a vegan fashion. After several such generations, the offspring are not only sickly and deformed, but also sterile, thus ending the cycle. However, the damage done to the genetic code by as many as four or so generations of vegan style malnutrition can be undone in a single generation if healthy animal products are incorporated into the diet.

Sorry about the rant, I didn't reference anything, but the Pottenger-Price Foundation or the Weston Price Foundation has all of the source material available.

http://www.ppnf.org/catalog/ppnf/
http://www.westonaprice.org/
 
I think vegan is good for an adult. I agree with Isaac B. that children on the other hand do need meat. I am a vegetarian and do go spurts with being a vegan(no dairy) but I always gave my children what ever meat they wanted although for the most part I took pains to make sure it was organic meats and dairy.

I had several heated debates with vegans over them not allowing their children to have meat and dairy. One vegan's kid would go to people's houses and steal meat from the neighbors. The kid had social problems and fought a lot with other kids...
 
I've thought about it, but vegans substitute soy protein for animal protein in my experience, and this is NOT good for males (soy is a natural estrogen! :eek: )

This is true. Soy is actually bad for just about everyone, unless it's fermented (tempeh, and some tofu) and is consumed moderately.

A much better, healthier, and tastier alternative is hemp protein. Obviously, it is vegan; it's also a complete protein. On top of that, hemp is very rich in EFAs, fiber, and micronutrients.

Both vegans, and meat-eaters alike can benefit greatly from adding a bit of hemp seed to their diets.
 
I think meat is good for you. I think all the people who say its bad for you are wrong.
 
Lysenko & Lysenkoism (Stalin the Marxist biologist)

After several such generations, the offspring are not only sickly and deformed, but also sterile, thus ending the cycle. However, the damage done to the genetic code by as many as four or so generations of vegan style malnutrition can be undone in a single generation if healthy animal products are incorporated into the diet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

Lysenkoism, or Lysenko-Michurinism, may also denote the biological inheritance principle which Lysenko subscribed to and which derive from theories of the heritability of acquired characteristics, a body of biological inheritance theory which departs from Mendelism and that Lysenko named "Michurinism".
 
My fave quotes about vegetarians and meat eating.

http://www.quotegarden.com/vegetarianism.html


One farmer says to me, "You cannot live on vegetable food solely, for it furnishes nothing to make the bones with;" and so he religiously devotes a part of his day to supplying himself with the raw material of bones; walking all the while he talks behind his oxen, which, with vegetable-made bones, jerk him and his lumbering plow along in spite of every obstacle. ~Henry David Thoreau



Nothing more strongly arouses our disgust than cannibalism, yet we make the same impression on Buddhists and vegetarians, for we feed on babies, though not our own. ~Robert Louis Stevenson



My situation is a solemn one. Life is offered to me on condition of eating beefsteaks. But death is better than cannibalism. My will contains directions for my funeral, which will be followed not by mourning coaches, but by oxen, sheep, flocks of poultry, and a small traveling aquarium of live fish, all wearing white scarfs in honor of the man who perished rather than eat his fellow creatures. ~George Bernard Shaw



Tongue - a variety of meat, rarely served because it clearly crosses the line between a cut of beef and a piece of a dead cow. ~Bob Ekstrom



Recognize meat for what it really is: the antibiotic- and pesticide-laden corpse of a tortured animal. ~Ingrid Newkirk



Truely man is the king of beasts, for his brutality exceeds theirs. We live by the death of others: we are burial places! I have from an early age abjured the use of meat, and the time will come when men such as I will look on the murder of animals as they now look on the murder of men. ~Leonardo da Vinci



I think if you want to eat more meat you should kill it yourself and eat it raw so that you are not blinded by the hypocrisy of having it processed for you. ~Margi Clark



"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy




As soon as I realized that I didn't need meat to survive or to be in good health, I began to see how forlorn it all is. If only we had a different mentality about the drama of the cowboy and the range and all the rest of it. It's a very romantic notion, an entrenched part of American culture, but I've seen, for example, pigs waiting to be slaughtered, and their hysteria and panic was something I shall never forget. ~Cloris Leachman


We manage to swallow flesh only because we do not think of the cruel and sinful thing that we do. Cruelty... is a fundamental sin, and admits of no arguments or nice distinctions. If only we do not allow our heart to grow callous, it protests against cruelty, is always clearly heard; and yet we go on perpetrating cruelties easily, merrily, all of us - in fact, anyone who does not join in is dubbed a crank. ~Rabindranath Tagore



Can you really ask what reason Pythagoras had for abstaining from flesh? For my part I rather wonder both by what accident and in what state of soul or mind the first man did so, touched his mouth to gore and brought his lips to the flesh of a dead creature, he who set forth tables of dead, stale bodies and ventured to call food and nourishment the parts that had a little before bellowed and cried, moved and lived. How could his eyes endure the slaughter when throats were slit and hides flayed and limbs torn from limb? How could his nose endure the stench? How was it that the pollution did not turn away his taste, which made contact with the sores of others and sucked juices and serums from mortal wounds? ~Plutarch



Think of me tonite
For that which you savor
Did it give you something real,
or could you taste the pain of my death in its flavor?
~Wayne K. Tolson, from "Food Forethought"​



Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet. ~Albert Einstein



I do not like eating meat because I have seen lambs and pigs killed. I saw and felt their pain. They felt the approaching death. I could not bear it. I cried like a child. I ran up a hill and could not breathe. I felt that I was choking. I felt the death of the lamb. ~Vaslav Nijinsky



Would you kill your pet dog or cat to eat it? How about an animal you're not emotionally attached to? Is the thought of slaughtering a cow or chicken or pig with your own hands too much to handle? Instead, would hiring a hit-man to do the job give you enough distance from the emotional discomfort? What animal did you put a contract out on for your supper last night? Did you at least make sure that none went to waste and to take a moment to be grateful for its sacrifice? ~Anonymous
 
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Some vegans use their rich, educated brains to make that luxurious choice of diet.

Most of the world simply can't afford to gobble meat until dead from heart disease.

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1. Economic vegetarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An economic vegetarian is a person who practices vegetarianism from either the philosophical viewpoint that the consumption of meat is expensive, part of a conscious simple living strategy or just because of necessity. In the developing world, where large numbers of poor people might not be averse to eating meat, they are regularly forced to make do with vegetarian food, since meat can often be a luxury.

Economic vegetarians believe that nutrition can be acquired more efficiently and at a lower price through vegetables, grains, etc., rather than from meat. They argue that a vegetarian diet is rich in vitamins, dietary fiber, and complex carbohydrates, and carries with it fewer risks (such as heart disease, obesity, and bacterial infection) than animal flesh. Consequently, they consider the production of meat economically unsound.
 
Any study who compares any type of diet with the US eating habits, won't prove anything. Omega 3 and Omega 6 need to be balanced and so on.
 
My children ate more veggies and fruits than they did meat they did not ask for meat a lot if they wanted it they got it. In adulthood they almost never eat meat.

I do not eat soy hardly ever. I do not feel I have to work very hard to replace protein. I eat what I want. The body given the right nutrients can make most of it's proteins. There are many green vegetables that provide the "essential amino acids"(the proteins your body cannot make). You want to look at sea vegetables for the essential amino acids. If you eat right your body will tell you what to eat. If you crave foods that are not good for you this is a sure fire sign that your body is starving and very toxic.
 
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My children ate more veggies and fruits than they did meat they did not ask for meat a lot if they wanted it they got it. In adulthood they almost never eat meat.

I do not eat soy hardly ever. I do not feel I have to work very hard to replace protein. I eat what I want. The body given the right nutrients can make most of it's proteins. There are many green vegetables that provide the "essential amino acids"(the proteins your body cannot make). You want to look at sea vegetables for the essential amino acids. If you eat right your body will tell you what to eat. If you crave foods that are not good for you this is a sure fire sign that your body is starving and very toxic.

Why would one crave foods that are not good for you? Why is toxicity correlated to this?
 
I believe a vegan diet is the most healthy diet. I was a vegan for four months a few years ago after forcing myself to watch a bunch of those PETA videos. Nasty!! My mom was a vegetarian, and she never really cooked much meat, so my brother and I were raised vegetarian. I didn't try a hamburger until the 7th grade. When I wanted to lose weight about 6 months ago, I became a vegan again after reading "Skinny Bitch." It's a laugh-out-loud funny, popular diet book that pushes veganism. I eat meat now though. It's hard to avoid when your boyfriend is basically a carnivore. I keep veggie patties and soy milk in my fridge, but when you go out to eat, it's like impossible to avoid animal products unless you always get salad.
 
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dont forget, raw organic rice protein from sunwarrior ! im a dealer and i offer it to people that i train, its a nice protein

also, i think FISH is the key and the middle road, doesnt have some of the bad things meats do but yet has some of the good......
 
Why would one crave foods that are not good for you? Why is toxicity correlated to this?

Why do people who smoke crave to smoke more?

I have also read that if you have allergies to certain foods that your body can "crave" these foods.
 
PETA forgets to show you how much forest is destroyed and how many animals are killed in order to plant grains and other shit. :)
 
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