Vaccines -> Autism - Mainstream Media Interview

[electronicmaji]

Are you sure you've met someone with severe autism? I used to babysit a kid who had it--he was an interesting enough little fellow. All I had to do was give him the vacuum cleaner and he'd go nuts, running around vacuuming everything while yelling "HOOVAH! HOOVAH!," interspersed with the occasional "FUCKING DAMMIT!" He could play with a vacuum cleaner for six+ hours straight if I would have let him. He couldn't deal with his sister or communicate and would get a little slappy if aggravated.

Yeah, it'd be great if everyone were non-functional, he will never be able to live on his own or have a career/family, drive or do anything else but possibly be the world's reknowned expert on vacuum cleaners. Awesome.

I'm autistic. I'm part of the Autistic freedom movement. We refuse to allow the condition to be called a disease or any of that bullshit. We beleive we are a different kind of human being, evolved beyond the norm.

 

[Cinderella]

I'm autistic. I'm part of the Autistic freedom movement. We refuse to allow the condition to be called a disease or any of that bullshit. We beleive we are a different kind of human being, evolved beyond the norm.

please explain why u all feel "evolved beyond the norm"??

this is a serious question and in no way am i trying to be rude

 

[Ninja Homer]

As someone suffering autism; autism is a hereditary ilness created by connections in the brain. These whackjobs that say that vaccines cause Autism don't understand the complexity of what Autism is. Truly.

Its not a disorder; its not even something I would venture to call bad. It's a evolutionary anamoly; one that may or may not lead to enhancing the human race.

Eitherway the cause of Autism is not sometihng as simple as a Vaccine; and theres very little evidence to show that any of these Vaccines cause any problems.

Hell; if it really caused Autism we should use it on everyone; the world would be better of if everyone was autistic.

I would so pown that world! (sorry, couldn't resist)

Actually, I understand exactly where you're coming from. I was diagnosed as having adult ADD about 15 years ago. I don't have the hyperactivity part of it at all. I don't think ADD and ADHD are remotely close to being the same. While many kids with ADHD can be "cured" of it with a change in diet, those with ADD without the hyperactivity part of it can not. People with ADD just have brains that function a little differently.

Although it's called "Attention Deficit Disorder", that isn't quite the right name for it. There are times when I can't keep attention on things, but that only occurs when I'm trying to pay attention to something that I don't like, don't want to do, or bores the hell out of me. When something is interesting and exciting to me, I have attention to the subject beyond that of people who don't have ADD. When it's a subject I love, I can comprehend it, memorize it, and come up with creative ideas on the subject faster than anybody I know.

I don't see what I have as a disease... I just function a little differently than other people. For the record, it is believed that a lot of important people in the past had ADD; Leonardo da Vinci, Beethoven, Albert Einstein, Thomas Edison, Benjamin Franklin, etc. Did they have a disease? If they were alive today, they would probably be diagnosed with ADD, put on ritalin, and the world would never see their moments of brilliance.

I think that the type of autism that people are born with is completely different than the type of autism that vaccines cause, although they sometimes share the same symptoms.

The way I see it is that people born with autism just have brains that are wired a little different than other people. It's not good or bad, just different. Some may have problems with social or physical functions, but excel in other areas way beyond a typical person. Sorry for the stereotype, but I can't help but to point to Rainman as an example.

People who are diagnosed with the type of autism that is a result of vaccines (or whatever it may be that causes autism symptoms some time after birth) seem to have brains where the wiring has been damaged. As far as I know, there aren't any cases where these types of autism have displayed Rainman-like abilities.

If I had to guess, I'd say the reason they group these together is so pharmaceuticals can expand their customer base for whatever drugs they have that are supposed to treat the "problem". They have done this many times before; with ADD, obesity, blood pressure, etc. They expand the symptom requirements of a disease so more people are diagnosed as having it, so they can sell more drugs.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The question should be this:

Should government mandate vaccines?

Or any medication for that matter?

 

[Ninja Homer]

The question should be this:

Should government mandate vaccines?

Or any medication for that matter?

Definitely a big HELL NO! The Constitution does not grant the government this power, so it would be illegal for them to do it... however, that wouldn't stop them from trying.

This is what scares me the most about "universal healthcare". If it ever comes to pass, it's going to be very expensive because pharmaceutical companies are already too imbedded and have too much power in our government. The next thing that will happen is they'll blame the high cost of universal healthcare on people that don't have regular checkups, and don't take prescribed meds. Then they'll pass laws that require checkups and medication. Then I move my family the hell out of this country, because that would be the last straw.

It's one thing for the government to destroy my money, and take half my income every year for redistribution, but if the government were to pass laws that say they can put whatever the hell they want to in my body, that would be an entirely new level of stealing my God-given rights. IMHO, mandating that I put something in my body is much worse than restricting me from putting something in my body if I choose to.

 

[tmosley]

ITT everyone's children die from preventable childhood diseases.

 

[MinorityView]

ITT everyone's children die from preventable childhood diseases.

I love the total absence of specifics on vaccines and childhood illness.

tmosley, which vaccines are currently on the recommended schedule in the U.S?

Which childhood illnesses do they prevent?

and, most important of all,

What are the pre-vaccine incidence and death rates from these illnesses?

You can find this information on the CDC web-site.

If you look on the pages meant for parents, you get one set of numbers, but if you look in the Pink Book, meant for medical professionals, you'll see a different set of numbers. Very different. Don't believe me? Here is an article, with links, on Pertussis: http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/14/pertussis-yo-yo-stats/

Let’s sum up the two positions:

To Parents of Babies: Vaccinate your baby or pertussis will “come back”, and we’ll see 200,000 cases a year once again.

To the Press, Physicians and Teens: Whew! Aren’t you glad we figured out how to make a vaccine for older children and adults because we have over 600,000 cases a year, and pertussis has “remained endemic” no matter how many babies we vaccinated with a whopping 5 shot series of an extremely reactive vaccine.

 

[sidster]

Not sure the date of the interview, but this video was posted in the last day or so. I think it's pretty recent. Interesting stuff.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCt8TYNRvrQ&NR=1

Maybe it was mentioned before but as for the date of the video,
it can't be very recent as the article he mentions "Deadly Immunity"
is dated 'Posted Jun 20, 2005 12:00 AM' on the RollingStone
website.

 

[Bunkerbuilder]

When you live it with an autistic child its very far from BS.

Mercury was and still is in the preservative thimerosal .

This preservative makes the vaccines that contain give them a 25-30 years shelf life.

SO if they are still considered good by the manufacturer why would any clinic throw them out ?

I would like to see the current vaccinations tested by an independent lab to see if the mercury is still in them or not, Not just take their word for it that they removed the poison.

Doesn't anyone get this if there are warnings on the fish that you eat, Why would it be ok to put this into an infants body that has not built up a immune system yet ?

FYI you are the idiot if you believe any of this fearmongering conspiracy theory shit. Utter and complete shit that only does more damage to public health safety then helps it.

 

[HonestyInMedicine]

Not sure the date of the interview, but this video was posted in the last day or so. I think it's pretty recent. Interesting stuff.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCt8TYNRvrQ&NR=1

I've seen that tape a few times before but even when I heard it, it was old news to me. If the truth be told, you need to be leary about ALL so-called preventive medicine offered in conventional medicine due to the fact that orthodox medical doctors are only trained in allopathic medicine which by definition, only treats SYMPTOMS. They have no training in CAUSES of disease or how to prevent disease. Only the practitioners of natural medicine have been trained to do that. Contrary to popular (and ignorant) opinion in this country, N.M.Ds DO go to medical school and DO have to complete a rigorous 4 year graduate program before they get their Naturopathic Medical Doctor NMD degree or an ND degree.

Also contrary to the propaganda everyone is fed and most everyone believes in this country is natural medicines -- ARE SAFE---unlike Prescription Drugs -- which are POISON---(which is why you need a prescription to get them). Prescription drugs are only tested by the mfrs themselves before they are marketed. They don't go though impartial independent studies and testing. Let's stop being naiive. The FDA is just an extension of the Food and Drug industry to protect THEM NOT US.

Contrary to other propoganda on the safety of conventional medicine, statistics in the medical journals that they don't want you to see, indicate that Conventional Medicine is THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH in this country -- HIGHER than Cancer, HIGHER than heart disease. The facts show that based on only 5 to 20 percent of reported cases 800,000 Americans die EVERY YEAR in this country --- and it never gets reported in the media. That means maybe as many as one to two percent of the population die from following prescribed medical treatment! Look at the facts for yourselves:

http://search.lef.org/cgi-src-bin/M...MEDICINEIS MEDICINENET MEDICINES Medicine by

Note the documentation. All the Medical Journal sources are listed. If you don't believe your eyes you can go look it up.

Practitioners of natural medicine use natural medicines that are designed to assist the body's own natural healing and immune system to make the person healthy again --which make perfect sense. On the other hand, medical doctors use the only tools they are trained to use which are drugs which WEAKEN the immune system (when you need it most).

Think of a cancer patient. The last thing a cancer patient needs is FURTHER DESTRUCTION of their immune system while a medical doctor poisons them with Chemotherapy. Remember, the drugs may kill the cancer cells ALONG WITH ALL THE GOOD CELLS with the chemo.....for a while. (Remember, medical doctors are only trained to treat SYMPTOMS.) So, it shouldn't surprise ANYONE who goes to a conventional doctor for cancer treatment, when the cancer eventually comes back and the doctor suggests more of the same toxic treatments that didn't work the first time.

A naturopathic doctor would instead look at what might have caused the cancer to develop in the first place and address that. Cancers feed on sugars so all white flour and all sugars even sugar from fruit would need to be eliminated. By taking away what the cancer feeds on you starve the cancer. Then by helping the patient get stronger and healthier with a clean diet and some immune strengthening supplements, it is just a matter of time before the cancer can no longer survive inside a healthy body and it is gone for GOOD! All the while the patient was being treated, contrary to the way they'd feel undergoing conventional treatment, the patient just feels better and better!

So if you had cancer or another "incurable" disease, which would YOU choose if you had the choice? Oh. Last but not least, the Naturopath might not be covered by insurance but might only end up costing a few hundred dollars up to one or two thousand whereas conventional costs tens of thousands.

Isn't the definition of INSANITY doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results????? Well that is what Americans are doing when they continue to run exclusively to medical doctors for ALL their medical needs when instead they should be using conventional medicine for ACUTE conditions (NOT CHRONIC OR DEGENERATIVE) ONLY.


Personally, I use a proven naturopathic doctor who has been curing so called "incurable" by conventional medicine "diseases" for 25 years and patients all over the world. Their website is www.holistichealthline.com and they have a FREE radio show broadcast in the Boston/Providence market with streaming audio every Saturday AM at 8 AM eastern time that I highly recommend everyone listen to if they want to begin to learn the truth about appropriate health care and what works and what doesn't.

Even with natural medicines it is best NOT to self medicate. At the very least, a proven naturopathic doctor knows which supplements have worked best for his patients -- to save you time using the needle in the haystack method and wasting money and time while you still aren't getting the desired results taking supplements that maybe aren't as effective as they could be (if you knew the best ones to take).

Emily