Vaccinations and my daughter

Also, since a majority of doctors recommend vaccinations (including Dr. Paul) I'm hesitant to take the advice of a registered nurse.

That's blatantly untrue. Ron Paul is on record opposed to forced vaccinations and mental health screening of Americans. Dr. Paul said, "We must stop federal government interference with our freedom to choose what we eat and how we take care of our health."

Dr Paul also authored HR 2117 to ensure that Americans have access to uncensored information regarding supplements and remedies. He opposes the UN CODEX program (World Food Code), and supports HR 2717, the access to medical treatment act, allowing Americans to CHOOSE the kind of healthcare they desire.
 
Aspartame, formaldehyde and mercury can be found in vaccines. Does anyone really still trust the fda?

Ritalin is prescribed to hyperactive kids

Risperdal to children with autism and aspergers

Many children started displaying their austistic traits after vaccines.



HPV vaccine and deaths

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1907188/posts

"The adverse reports coming from the HPV vaccine are increasing daily at an alarming rate. A LifeSiteNews.com report which scanned a publicly available database of adverse affects coming from the HPV vaccine found 3,137 adverse effects reported on September 28, 2007. Today the US Government's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) lists 3,779 adverse effects. 52 of the cases were deemed "life threatening" and 119 required hospitalization.

In one case highlighted by Judicial Watch a 17 year old girl who was vaccinated in June 2007 died the very day she was vaccinated. According to the report, she "was vaccinated with a first dose of Gardasil…During the evening of the same day, the patient was found unconscious (lifeless) by the mother. Resuscitation was performed by the emergency physician but was unsuccessful. The patient subsequently died."





Drug companies benefit and are profiting. Why should there be additives like aspartame in vaccines?
 
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To understand WHY, you have to understand 'their' agenda.
Eugenics, Agenda 21, etc. They 'need' to eliminate 90% of the population for 'sustainable growth'. While population control/management seems reasonable, what they aren't telling you is their timeline. 2020. 1/3 by 2012. That's a lot of people (billions) they need to (in their mind) justifiably kill in just a few short, bloody years. Chemtrails, Bird Flu, nuclear war, vaccines, etc.
If McCain wins, they'll go the route of nuclear war.
If Hillary wins, they'll go the route of plague. (why do you think their pushing government healthcare?)
With government healthcare, you will get manditory payment (garnished wages), manditory vaccinations, quarentines, pysche evaluations, internment by the millions, probably a verichip to confirm you don't have Bird Flu etc. Not a pretty picture, and more real than I can convey. But 2 years ago, you would have never believed that the U.S. would condone torture or that your government would be allowed to spy on you. We are so zombied out that we don't even look at the sky and wonder what they're spraying us with... wtf.
 
To understand WHY, you have to understand 'their' agenda.
Eugenics, Agenda 21, etc. They 'need' to eliminate 90% of the population for 'sustainable growth'. While population control/management seems reasonable, what they aren't telling you is their timeline. 2020. 1/3 by 2012. That's a lot of people (billions) they need to (in their mind) justifiably kill in just a few short, bloody years. Chemtrails, Bird Flu, nuclear war, vaccines, etc.
If McCain wins, they'll go the route of nuclear war.
If Hillary wins, they'll go the route of plague. (why do you think their pushing government healthcare?)
With government healthcare, you will get manditory payment (garnished wages), manditory vaccinations, quarentines, pysche evaluations, internment by the millions, probably a verichip to confirm you don't have Bird Flu etc. Not a pretty picture, and more real than I can convey. But 2 years ago, you would have never believed that the U.S. would condone torture or that your government would be allowed to spy on you. We are so zombied out that we don't even look at the sky and wonder what they're spraying us with... wtf.
lol I lost you at the chemtrails.
 
Avoid these shots since autism is now 1 in 75 kids. Eli Lilly is protected under the patriot act of being sued for wrongful death or injury. There are still vials tainted with mercury out there. Doctors are being lied to just as the general public are led to believe these vaccines are safe.

Eli Lilly is one of the most evil companies out there. They lie about everything! All the way from vaccines, to psychotropic drugs, to other conventional medicine. Well, the entire psychiatric community lies, but Eli Lilly is one of the worst.
 
lol @ chicken pox parties!! its true tho...u get life time immunity when u experience and live through it...if u only vaccinate u have to be sure to take ur booster shots when ur due or else u can be vulnerable to those diseases.....
 
You are lucky to be in a state that allows for philosophical exemptions. In Mississippi, we have to 'lie' and say we have a 'religous' objection in order to have a say in what shots our kids get. My advice would be research them and decide which shots you want her to have. Wait until she's older and spread them out over a long period of time.
 
very good thread... i decided last year to opt out of the whole vaccination thing and have had a WONDERFUL time getting it through peoples heads that im not abusing my child.... in our state you have to sign an affadavit saying you are against them for religious or some other reasons in order for them to go to school... and try explaining that to the school nurse... its not easy



my advice is talk to a naturopathic doctor (i know a good one in oklahoma that could give you advice) most of them will have the form you will want to have to take to school with you when that time comes as well

AND please don't let people make you feel bad, or crazy for doing this..... you will be the one saying i told you so in later years, IMHO
 
Thank you, Cinderella, for clearing this all up for us. I hope those who needed to read your posts.
 
Uhhhh, yeah. Thanks for the suicide party you guys are having with your little gathering. But you did remind me of something with your incredible babble and justification for child neglect, endagerment and abuse...
Time for me to get my vaccs. Time to help out all those 'evil' drug companies.
 
Polio was already declining in the U.S. and Europe during the 40's and 50's, as well as in England, where polio mortalities was at its height in 1950, but had declined 82 percent by 1956, before the Salk vaccinations began there. There was also no polio epidemic in the Third-World, where only 10 per cent of the population had been vaccinated.
But the Public Health Service and the March Of Dimes campaign swelled the statistics by combining the larger numbers of non-paralytic, "unspecified" and "abortive" polio cases, with the dwindling numbers of paralytic cases. Almost two-thirds of this total comprised the milder, "non-paralytic" type. In the minds of millions of people—then and now—polio had meant paralysis. But by combining paralytic cases with the various milder, non-paralytic forms, the public was misled into thinking that paralysis was sweeping the land.

Paralysis started to rise only after the Salk vaccine had begun in April 1955. It proved to be so hazardous that by November 1955, all European countries, with the exception of Denmark, had cancelled or discontinued their Salk vaccine programs. Canada postponed its Salk vaccine program July 29th of that year. In the U.S., Newark, N.J. stopped inoculations in June, 1955, while Idaho and Utah took similar action in July, followed shortly by Massachusetts [Morris Beale's American Capsule News, Oct. 15th, 1955]. By January 1, 1957, 17 states had rejected their supplies of Salk polio vaccine. During that year, the NY Times reported that very nearly half the paralytic cases, and three-quarters of the non-paralytic cases in children between the ages of 5 and 14 years occurred in vaccinated children. After two years of Salk vaccinations, paralytic polio increased nationally about 50% from 1957 to 1958, and about 80% from 1958 to 1959.
The attempt to hide the rise in paralysis occurred after 1955, when viral analysis of coxsackie virus infection and septic meningitis made them distinguishable from paralytic poliomyelitis. But if they had continued to be counted together as a single "polio" disease, it would have showed that paralytic polio increased nationally about 50% from 1957 to 1958, and about 80% from 1958 to 1959—two years into the Salk vaccination campaign. In addition to these two polio "twins", there were actually 170 other diseases with "polio-like" symptoms, with names like, spinal meningitis, inhibitory palsy, epidemic cholera, cholera morbus, ergotism, famine fever, billious remittent fever, spinal apoplexy, scurvy, berri-berri, pellagra, acidosis, etc. Each were very likely classified as "polio" during the frenzy prior to 1955. After 1955, NON-paralytic polio also acquired a new name. It wasn't until the mid-1950's that new laboratory techniques of culturing viruses could distinguish THIS polio from its clinical twin, aseptic meningitis. Before 1960, not a single case of "aseptic meningitis" was reported. Then, it was called (non-paralytic) "polio", and nationally had totaled 70,083 between 1951 and 1960. But from 1961 to 1992, there had been 220,365 cases of aseptic meningitis. There were only 589 cases of non-paralytic polio from 1961 to 1982. Not a single case has been reported since. Non-paralytic polio may have "disappeared". But thousands of children still experience the same symptoms as non-paralytic polio every year. Except now, it goes by another name.


Salk vaccinations began in the U.S. in April 1955. Only two months into the Salk campaign, the U.S. Public Health Service, on June 23, 1955, announced that there had been 168 confirmed cases of poliomyelitis among the vaccinated with six deaths. The News Chronicle of May 6, 1955, reported:

"The interval between the inoculation and the first sign of paralysis ranged from 5 to 20 days and in a large proportion of cases it started in the limb on which the injection had been given. Another feature of the tragedy was that the numbers developing polio were far greater than would have been expected had no inoculations been given. In fact, in the state of Idaho, according to a statement by Dr. Carl Eklund, one of the government's chief virus authorities, polio struck only vaccinated children in areas where there had been no cases of polio since the preceding autumn; in 9 out of 10 cases the paralysis occurred in the arms in which the vaccine had been injected."

In June, 1955, James C. Spaulding, a staff writer for the Milwaukee Journal covered an American Medical Association convention. Here is what Spaulding learned and reported on June 19, 1955:

"A policy of secrecy and deception has been followed by the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis and the U.S. Public Health Service in the polio vaccine programs. As a result the nation's physicians were prevented from learning vital information about the trouble in making and testing Salk vaccine… The secrecy and deception started before the field trials."

"One of the things the AMA was not told was that the USPHS had an advisory group made up almost entirely of scientists who were receiving money from the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, which body was exerting pressure to go ahead with the program, even after Salk vaccine was found to be dangerous."

"In May, some state public health officers met in Atlanta, expecting to be told what had gone wrong with the vaccine program. Instead, the USPHS scientist said he was not permitted to disclose what had happened because it would jeopardize the investment of the pharmaceutical firms in the vaccine program."

Suppressed reports condemning the Salk vaccine by technicians at the National Institutes of Health, was reported in, The Drug Story by Morris Bealle. Among the stories carried in this book is the one that James A. Shannon, M.D., of the National Institutes of Health in Washington, D.C., knew about the reports from the Institute's technicians in 1955, that "Salk vaccine was a killer and totally ineffective as a preventative." As a result of these reports of the Institutes Technicians, no official of the NIH would permit the vaccination of their own children with the Salk vaccine. Word of this leaked out when Robert S. Allen, Washington correspondent, reported in the New York Post, June 8, 1955, that "Doctors and others on the staff of the National Institute of Health are not inoculating their own children with the Salk Vaccine." "Nevertheless," says Mr. Bealle, "on orders from higher-ups in the U.S. Public Health Service, they kept quiet and let hundreds of unfortunate children be killed and thousands maimed for life."


An Associated Press Dispatch from Boston on August 30, 1955, reported 2,027 cases of polio in Massachusetts against 273 the same time the previous year—representing an increase of 743%. This followed the inoculation of 130,000 Massachusetts children, and the authorities banned the vaccine. Connecticut reported 276 cases in 1955, up from 144 in 1954; Vermont, 55 up from 15; Rhode Island, 122 up from 22, and Maine, 74 up from 43.

The Washington D.C. Star, September 20, 1955, reported 180 cases in Washington against 136 the same time in 1954; Maryland's Health Department reported 189 in 1955 to 134 in 1954; New York State, 764 to 469; Wisconsin, 1655 to 326. The Milwaukee Journal, on August 30, 1955, reported that the city's schools closed indefinitely because of the polio outbreak, following inoculation with the Salk vaccine. Idaho stopped Salk inoculations completely on July 1, 1955, with this blast from State Health Director Peterson said, "I hold Salk vaccine and its manufacturers responsible for a polio outbreak that has killed 7 Idahoans and hospitalized 79." By September 14th 1955, that state had 190 cases compared with 132 for the entire year of 1954. Newark, N.J. stopped inoculations in June, 1955, while Utah took similar action on July 12.


Polio cases rose about 300 to 400% in these 5 places that made the Salk vaccine compulsory by law:

—North Carolina: 78 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 313 cases in 1959.
—Connecticut: 45 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 123 cases in 1959.
—Tennessee: 119 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 386 cases in 1959. —Ohio: 17 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 52 cases in 1959. —Los Angeles: 89 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 190 cases in 1959.

By 1960, the Salk vaccine had proven to be so hazardous and ineffective, that the Journal of the American Medical Association (February 25, 1961) carried an article admitting that, "It is now generally recognized that much of the Salk vaccine used in the U.S. has been worthless."



why dont u do some of ur own research yongrel....proof is everywhere........as a registered nurse i do not recommend vaccines......they do more harm than good.....and as i said before, if all the other children are vaccinated and vaccination gives immunity to the disease, how could an unvaccinated child put any of these other children at risk? Only the child himself could be at risk for the disease, and that should be the business of that particular child and his or her parents. It should be virtually impossible, if vaccinations actually work, for an unvaccinated child who may get a particular disease, to give it to other children who have been vaccinated.

LOL - great post.... we do agree on something :D
 
Cool, if nothing else, this proves you can at least count.

If you have been paying attention, the scientific community is at odds with itself over this issue.

Unfortunately, the scientific articles you happen to believe have also been discredited. Real evidence and anecdotal evidence also suggest you are wrong. I hope you look into this issue further, because right now you are lost and you are not helping people.
 
If you have been paying attention, the scientific community is at odds with itself over this issue.

Unfortunately, the scientific articles you happen to believe have also been discredited. Real evidence and anecdotal evidence also suggest you are wrong. I hope you look into this issue further, because right now you are lost and you are not helping people.


You mis-read me, and I believe intentionally since you have an axe to grind.

I don't. I have read, past, present and forcast. I know the good and the bad that vaccines do. I do not buy into the faddish notiont that they are all bad. Considering I grew up in a time when un-vaccinated kids were being crippled and killed by many diseases that are now almost gone. That is one fact that is undeniable, and even the medical community, then and now, acknowledge that.

What they are debating is the propriety of giving so much so soon, and what is needed.

I am nowhere near lost, but thanks for the guidance, your directions are off a bit. People are supposed to help themselves. I offer a bit of advice and insight, but it is up to people how they want to commit suicide, or not.
 
I have yet to encounter a pro-vaxer on this forum who is willing to enter into an open discussion of the science of the topic, and you have been introduced to the incredible bullshit and hyperbole that they do have to offer in this thread.

Now, to the meat of the matter. This is an extremely complex issue, and anyone who says that the full schedule, on schedule, is the only way to go or you are guilty of neglect, isn't interested in the nuances of the issue and probably isn't worth having a discussion with.

Anyone here who claims to know the answer knows something that honest scientists don't.

I have tried to debate it here, and gotten nowhere. For pro-vax info, all you need is the CDC, but be careful where you read because there is openly contradictory information depending on whom they think they are addressing. For a discussion, I engage at www.insidevaccines.com, among other places.

Good luck on this journey, it's a life-long one.
 
My friend just had baby

I am not sure if this is right place for me to post my question...

My friend just had baby boy on March 26th. He was born 4 week earlier. The doctor did three blood transfusion while she was pregnant with him. He was anemic since his blood type's O and hers AB. She had to take IV with Antibodics. (Third times). When he was born, the doctor predicted that he would have yellow jaundice but didn't get it so he took several days of IV with Antibodics too! He was at hospital for 5 days.

He's now home with mommy but the doctor made sure she put him on Oxygen machine. I tried to explain this with her several times and asked her not to please take him for first shots. She did not believe me that vaccination could impact on his health. I asked her to just be on safe side and that he is not legally required for immunization shots. I begged her to please wait 2 years until her son's system is stronger enough to handle the incoming chemicals from shots. She kept on saying that those doctors are best and top ones. She did share my concerns with them and they laughed at me. They told her not to listen me.

I need your help and what would you do if you were in my shoes? She already asked me to be her baby's God-Mother. I have mixed feelings about this.
 
I am not sure if this is right place for me to post my question...

My friend just had baby boy on March 26th. He was born 4 week earlier. The doctor did three blood transfusion while she was pregnant with him. He was anemic since his blood type's O and hers AB. She had to take IV with Antibodics. (Third times). When he was born, the doctor predicted that he would have yellow jaundice but didn't get it so he took several days of IV with Antibodics too! He was at hospital for 5 days.

He's now home with mommy but the doctor made sure she put him on Oxygen machine. I tried to explain this with her several times and asked her not to please take him for first shots. She did not believe me that vaccination could impact on his health. I asked her to just be on safe side and that he is not legally required for immunization shots. I begged her to please wait 2 years until her son's system is stronger enough to handle the incoming chemicals from shots. She kept on saying that those doctors are best and top ones. She did share my concerns with them and they laughed at me. They told her not to listen me.

I need your help and what would you do if you were in my shoes? She already asked me to be her baby's God-Mother. I have mixed feelings about this.

I am glad for her son's health that she ignored you.
 
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