Vaccinations and my daughter

Wait.. WHAT?!

No proof that smallpox vaccines worked? You mean besides the total eradication of smallpox, right? Right?!

Yeah. Gotta agree here, that was one of the greatest modern medicine accomplishments.

I think people get desperate for answers and lose their ability to think straight about some of these things. When my dad was dying from a rare auto-immune disease, even though I'd been researching it for years at that point, when it became apparent that he was going to die, I was willing to try or believe in anything.

I'm not going to comment on whether or not the vaccines have any link to autism, because I simply have not done the necessary research. And the possible consequences of not vaccinating your child could be disastrous and perhaps deadly.
 
I agree with you, but then again what stopped the black plague? I did not know they immunized back then..

Wait.. WHAT?!

No proof that smallpox vaccines worked? You mean besides the total eradication of smallpox, right? Right?!
 
Wait.. WHAT?!

No proof that smallpox vaccines worked? You mean besides the total eradication of smallpox, right? Right?!
We are setting the stage for a health disaster unlike anything we have seen before in America, and it will be of our own doing. World health records (from England, Germany, Italy, the Philippines, British India, and more) document that devastating epidemics have followed mass vaccination. The worst smallpox disaster occurred in the Philippines after a 10-year compulsory U.S. program had administered 25 million vaccinations to this population of 10 million, resulting in 170,000 cases and more than 75,000 deaths from smallpox, in a country that saw only scattered cases in rural villages prior to the onslaught of vaccines. [xv]


[xv] Physician William Howard Hay's address of June 25, 1937; printed in the Congressional Record. New Medical Awareness Seminars, 14761 Pearl Road, Box 263, Strongsville, OH 44136, phone: (440) 268-0897
 
I agree with you, but then again what stopped the black plague? I did not know they immunized back then..
Good point, it was better sanitation and the same thing works with a small pox out break. Since the USA except for illegals that aren't screened, we will not have these epidemics because of our sanitation and cleanliness.
 
Flirple's post seems worth deconstructing as a nice and really all-too-typical pro-vaccine argument:

The vaccines have never contained methylmercury (which is the heavy metal mercury that we know causes health problems in high doses). Rather vaccines used to contain a completely different (despite being similarly named) organic ingredient called ethylmercury.

Now here's an interesting sentence. First we have the adjective 'organic' used to describe ethylmercury (but not methylmercury). They are of course both organic compounds in the chemical sense being used here; but using the word only to describe the second compound looks like an attempt to influence people who might attach positive connotations to the word (not realizing that in this context 'organic' doesn't mean what they might think).
Second, a naive reading of this sentence might lead someone to think that only methylmercury caused health problems in high doses. Being injected with *any* mercury compound will cause health problems in high doses.

Ethylmercury was the main ingredient in the preservative Thimerosal which was used in vaccinations up until 1997 but was then removed as a response to irrational activism from the anti-vaccination crowd despite there being no scientific reason to do so.

Here you assume what you are trying to prove. Very cute; also a classic logical fallacy.

But where the vaccination crowd is officially busted is the fact that autism diagnosis has not decreased since they got their way and the harmless and minute quantities of the safe ingredient of ethythmercury was removed in 97. If ethylmercury was a cause of autism like they claimed we would have seen autism rates decline in the last decade since it was removed.

First of all, there are alternate theories concerning vaccine safety (or lack thereof) which do not rely on the toxicity of thimerosal. So proving that it is safe would not be sufficient to allay all doubt regarding vaccines.
Second, your claims regarding increased diagnosis as a primary factor in the large number of autism cases don't allow for any specific conclusion. If better diagnosis drove the original increase, even more aggressive diagnosis would allow for a continued increase in reported cases even if the actual incidence were declining.

Autism so far has only been linked to genetics and there is some scant research evidence that thalidomide when present during the first 8 weeks of gestation can cause chromosome damage similar to that found with folks with autism.

Now you're just talking out your ass. Autism has indeed been linked to certain genetic variants. But these are not 'chromosome damage'. If you could provide a citation or link for the 'chromosome damage' found in autistics, I'd love to see it. Further, the genetic link is not mutually exclusive with an environmental explanation (e.g. vaccines); if everyone is vaccinated, but 1% of the population has a mutation that renders them especially susceptible to negative reactions to thimerosal, how would we characterize the primary cause of their problems? It would be a matter of semantics.

And autism doesn't appear to be increasing at all. What is increasing is diagnosing of it and expanding the use of the term autism to include conditions which used to be called other names.

On the contrary, it does *appear* to be increasing. Some of that is no doubt due to increased diagnosis, but how in the world could you be certain that that accounted for all of it? See also your previous comment regarding the lack of decrease in autism since thimerosal was removed; if changes in diagnosis account for so much, how could you be sure it wasn't decreasing, either?
 
I agree with you, but then again what stopped the black plague? I did not know they immunized back then..

The end of the Black Plague is often attributed to the Great Fire of London in 1666, though there are many other epidemiological explanations for its disappearance.
 
These studies suggest that the goal of complete immunization is actually counterproductive, a notion underscored by instances in which epidemics followed complete immunization of entire countries. Japan experienced yearly increases in small pox following the introduction of compulsory vaccines in 1872. By 1892, there were 29,979 deaths, and all had been vaccinated. [20]

Early in this century, the Philippines experienced their worst smallpox epidemic ever after 8 million people received 24.5 million vaccine doses; the death rate quadrupled as a result. [21] In 1989, the country of Oman experienced a widespread polio outbreak six months after achieving complete vaccination.[22] In the U.S. in 1986, 90% of 1300 pertussis cases in Kansas were "adequately vaccinated." [23] 72% of pertussis cases in the 1993 Chicago outbreak were fully up to date with their vaccinations.[24]

(20) Trevor Gunn, Mass Immunization, A Point in Question, p 15 (E.D. Hume, Pasteur Exposed-The False Foundations of Modern Medicine, Bookreal, Australia, 1989.)

(21) Physician William Howard Hay's address of June 25, 1937; printed in the Congressional Record.

(22) Outbreak of paralytic poliomyelitis in Oman; evidence for widespread transmission among fully vaccinated children Lancet vol 338: Sept 21, 1991; 715-720.

(23) Neil Miller, Vaccines: Are They Safe and Effective? p 33.

(24) Chicago Dept. of Health.
 
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check this link out....very informative....

Back in 1924 Mark Twain was quoted as saying, “There are three kinds of lies — lies, damned lies, and statistics.” When Mark Twain made this statement, his point was that numbers could be manipulated by the unscrupulous to misrepresent facts, to justify a particular bias, or fulfill a particular agenda. It is an unhappy fact of modern life that anyone with an idea can support that idea with statistics. The less the public knows about the source of the statistics, the more possible it is to have misinformation posing as scientific results.

Simple statements, such as “in the 1920s, over 10,000 people a year died from diphtheria”, although accurate are very misleading. Providing a piece of historical fact without any real context and mixing it with statements on how vaccines helped cure these diseases leads the reader to erroneously conclude that vaccines were instrumental in the massive declines of deaths from these diseases.

The CDC’s statements on vaccines only provide a few facts and then draw a conclusion on this limited information. To understand the role of vaccines, we must use the raw information and analyze it over a long period of time. The Vital Statistics of the United States provides the most accurate information of death rates from various causes starting early in the 1900s


Figure 1 is a graph of the death rates from measles, typhoid, scarlet fever, whooping cough (pertussis), and diphtheria. Both the pertussis and diphtheria vaccines were made widely available in 1949 and the measles vaccine was introduced in 1963.
http://www.whale.to/a/image/gr1.html


figure 2 Death rates from Diphtheria
http://www.whale.to/a/image/gr2.html


Figure 3. Death rates from Measles
http://www.whale.to/a/image/gr4.html


Because death rates were declining, it is impossible to say whether vaccines had a real effect or if that the same forces that caused the majority of the decline would have continued to have a positive impact. Those forces were primarily that of improved sanitation, proper personal hygiene, improved diet, and the natural cycles of disease.

Based on our knowledge that proper sanitation, improved living conditions, and improved nutrition were the key factors that caused declines in these diseases, we can ask the question: are the present deaths and complications from these diseases in people of poor socioeconomic or compromised nutritional status? Is it possible that the focus on mass vaccination programs diverted attention from continued improvements in sanitation and nutrition that could have further reduced or eliminated disease deaths and complications?

It would seem that the people who recognized the underlying cause of diseases and instituted better living conditions, proper water and better sanitation should be recognized for their remarkable achievements, not the inventors and promoters of vaccines. This analysis, which is based on historical and scientific studies, is a far different picture than the one alluded to by the CDC in their vaccine literature.

Because the focus has predominantly been on medical intervention, the history of what really caused the decline in disease mortality is “largely unknown” and “rarely taught”. The information that disease death declined before vaccination is important in the present day because we need to pay attention to these underlying causes of infectious disease. We must be ever vigilant to avoid returning to those disease-causing conditions and to examine these conditions when disease outbreaks occur. It is an important lesson in how we should approach disease prevention in third world countries. We should not forget the words of George Santayana: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

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Cinderella, et al, I've read and am keeping an open mind on the anti-vaccination threads, but also keep in mind that the reason we don't have polio as a real issue any longer is due to vaccinations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio#Prevention

Exactly. When my grandfather was a boy, 1 out of every 3 kids in his neighborhood got polio, including himself. Thanks to vaccines, polio is almost entirely nonexistent.
 
it is important to ask this question: If all the other children are vaccinated and vaccination gives immunity to the disease, how could an unvaccinated child put any of these other children at risk? Only the child himself could be at risk for the disease, and that should be the business of that particular child and his or her parents. It should be virtually impossible, if vaccinations actually work, for an unvaccinated child who may get a particular disease, to give it to other children who have been vaccinated.

Polio is virtually non-existent in the United States today. However, there is no credible scientific evidence that the vaccine caused polio to disappear. Before the Salk polio vaccine was introduced in 1953, the polio death rate in the United States had already declined by 47% on its own. It had also declined by 55% in England. Other European countries also showed a similar decline. When the vaccine did become available, many European countries questioned its effectiveness and refused to inoculate their citizens. Yet polio epidemics also ended in those countries.

The number of reported cases of polio after mass inoculations with the vaccine was significantly greater than before mass inoculations. And in many states the incidence of polio more than doubled after inoculations were introduced. In Rhode Island there was a 450 % increase, and in Massachusetts almost a 650 % increase in polio cases after the introduction of polio vaccinations.

After the vaccine was introduced, cases of polio were often reported under another name, aseptic meningitis, rather than as polio, even though they were counted as "polio" before the vaccine was introduced.

In 1976 Dr. Jonas Salk, creator of the killed virus vaccine that was used throughout the 1950s testified that the live virus vaccine produced by Dr. Sabin, and which was used almost exclusively in the United States since the early 1960s, was the "principle if not sole cause" of all reported cases of polio in the United States since 1961. According to the Centers for Disease Control figures, 87% of all cases of polio in the United States between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine. It is now admitted that since 1979 virtually every case of polio in the United States has been CAUSED by the vaccine.

The same situation holds true for nearly all other diseases including diphtheria, measles, rubella, mumps and whooping cough. In virtually all of these diseases, the incidence was dropping dramatically before the introduction of the vaccine.

It is not a mystery as to why vaccinations are not effective. First, the natural immunity mechanism in the human body is designed to work when the disease develops in its natural way. When the normal route of immune system stimulation is bypassed by injection of the microorganism (bacteria or virus) through the skin, then effective immunity against the disease does not develop. One obvious factor proving that vaccinations are not effective is that an individual has to keep getting booster shots. If a person develops polio, measles, mumps, whooping cough or any other contagious disease, he has virtual lifelong immunity from one episode of the disease. But when an individual is vaccinated, he must keep getting "booster" shots at regular intervals.

One of the earliest vaccines introduced for general use in the United States was the pertussis vaccine for whooping cough, which was put into general use during the 1940s. Autism, a form of childhood schizophrenia, characterized by mental retardation, muteness (an inability to speak) and lack of responsiveness to human contact, was not known or described until 1943, about the same time that vaccinations were introduced.

The bottom line is that the best way to develop natural immunity is to build a healthy immune system by the proper diet and lifestyle. Fresh air, exercise, plenty of rest and relief of stress are essential for health. This is the only effective way to remain free from disease. It is impossible to get sick if your immune system is functioning properly. Bacteria and viruses do NOT attack a healthy body, just as insects and plant diseases do NOT attack healthy plants.

This is startling information for a population brought up to believe that vaccinations are not only safe but life-saving. They're considered by most of the population as "American" as apple pie. How we have been deluded! But there is hope. Waivers for vaccinations are still available and you can investigate them by calling your public health department or, if that is unsuccessful, educate yourself by ordering a pamphlet called "Vaccine State Laws and Vaccine Exemptions"
 
it is important to ask this question: If all the other children are vaccinated and vaccination gives immunity to the disease, how could an unvaccinated child put any of these other children at risk? Only the child himself could be at risk for the disease, and that should be the business of that particular child and his or her parents. It should be virtually impossible, if vaccinations actually work, for an unvaccinated child who may get a particular disease, to give it to other children who have been vaccinated.

Polio is virtually non-existent in the United States today. However, there is no credible scientific evidence that the vaccine caused polio to disappear. Before the Salk polio vaccine was introduced in 1953, the polio death rate in the United States had already declined by 47% on its own. It had also declined by 55% in England. Other European countries also showed a similar decline. When the vaccine did become available, many European countries questioned its effectiveness and refused to inoculate their citizens. Yet polio epidemics also ended in those countries.

The number of reported cases of polio after mass inoculations with the vaccine was significantly greater than before mass inoculations. And in many states the incidence of polio more than doubled after inoculations were introduced. In Rhode Island there was a 450 % increase, and in Massachusetts almost a 650 % increase in polio cases after the introduction of polio vaccinations.

After the vaccine was introduced, cases of polio were often reported under another name, aseptic meningitis, rather than as polio, even though they were counted as "polio" before the vaccine was introduced.

In 1976 Dr. Jonas Salk, creator of the killed virus vaccine that was used throughout the 1950s testified that the live virus vaccine produced by Dr. Sabin, and which was used almost exclusively in the United States since the early 1960s, was the "principle if not sole cause" of all reported cases of polio in the United States since 1961. According to the Centers for Disease Control figures, 87% of all cases of polio in the United States between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine. It is now admitted that since 1979 virtually every case of polio in the United States has been CAUSED by the vaccine.

The same situation holds true for nearly all other diseases including diphtheria, measles, rubella, mumps and whooping cough. In virtually all of these diseases, the incidence was dropping dramatically before the introduction of the vaccine.

It is not a mystery as to why vaccinations are not effective. First, the natural immunity mechanism in the human body is designed to work when the disease develops in its natural way. When the normal route of immune system stimulation is bypassed by injection of the microorganism (bacteria or virus) through the skin, then effective immunity against the disease does not develop. One obvious factor proving that vaccinations are not effective is that an individual has to keep getting booster shots. If a person develops polio, measles, mumps, whooping cough or any other contagious disease, he has virtual lifelong immunity from one episode of the disease. But when an individual is vaccinated, he must keep getting "booster" shots at regular intervals.

One of the earliest vaccines introduced for general use in the United States was the pertussis vaccine for whooping cough, which was put into general use during the 1940s. Autism, a form of childhood schizophrenia, characterized by mental retardation, muteness (an inability to speak) and lack of responsiveness to human contact, was not known or described until 1943, about the same time that vaccinations were introduced.

The bottom line is that the best way to develop natural immunity is to build a healthy immune system by the proper diet and lifestyle. Fresh air, exercise, plenty of rest and relief of stress are essential for health. This is the only effective way to remain free from disease. It is impossible to get sick if your immune system is functioning properly. Bacteria and viruses do NOT attack a healthy body, just as insects and plant diseases do NOT attack healthy plants.

This is startling information for a population brought up to believe that vaccinations are not only safe but life-saving. They're considered by most of the population as "American" as apple pie. How we have been deluded! But there is hope. Waivers for vaccinations are still available and you can investigate them by calling your public health department or, if that is unsuccessful, educate yourself by ordering a pamphlet called "Vaccine State Laws and Vaccine Exemptions"

Post proof or I call bullshit.
 
Wow, I didn't know most of that. It makes a ton of sense. So chalk the anti-vaccination hysteria up to ignorant paranoia. Lovely.

It is ignorant paranoia. Pick up a copy of last week's New Scientist.
 
Post proof or I call bullshit.

Polio was already declining in the U.S. and Europe during the 40's and 50's, as well as in England, where polio mortalities was at its height in 1950, but had declined 82 percent by 1956, before the Salk vaccinations began there. There was also no polio epidemic in the Third-World, where only 10 per cent of the population had been vaccinated.
But the Public Health Service and the March Of Dimes campaign swelled the statistics by combining the larger numbers of non-paralytic, "unspecified" and "abortive" polio cases, with the dwindling numbers of paralytic cases. Almost two-thirds of this total comprised the milder, "non-paralytic" type. In the minds of millions of people—then and now—polio had meant paralysis. But by combining paralytic cases with the various milder, non-paralytic forms, the public was misled into thinking that paralysis was sweeping the land.

Paralysis started to rise only after the Salk vaccine had begun in April 1955. It proved to be so hazardous that by November 1955, all European countries, with the exception of Denmark, had cancelled or discontinued their Salk vaccine programs. Canada postponed its Salk vaccine program July 29th of that year. In the U.S., Newark, N.J. stopped inoculations in June, 1955, while Idaho and Utah took similar action in July, followed shortly by Massachusetts [Morris Beale's American Capsule News, Oct. 15th, 1955]. By January 1, 1957, 17 states had rejected their supplies of Salk polio vaccine. During that year, the NY Times reported that very nearly half the paralytic cases, and three-quarters of the non-paralytic cases in children between the ages of 5 and 14 years occurred in vaccinated children. After two years of Salk vaccinations, paralytic polio increased nationally about 50% from 1957 to 1958, and about 80% from 1958 to 1959.
The attempt to hide the rise in paralysis occurred after 1955, when viral analysis of coxsackie virus infection and septic meningitis made them distinguishable from paralytic poliomyelitis. But if they had continued to be counted together as a single "polio" disease, it would have showed that paralytic polio increased nationally about 50% from 1957 to 1958, and about 80% from 1958 to 1959—two years into the Salk vaccination campaign. In addition to these two polio "twins", there were actually 170 other diseases with "polio-like" symptoms, with names like, spinal meningitis, inhibitory palsy, epidemic cholera, cholera morbus, ergotism, famine fever, billious remittent fever, spinal apoplexy, scurvy, berri-berri, pellagra, acidosis, etc. Each were very likely classified as "polio" during the frenzy prior to 1955. After 1955, NON-paralytic polio also acquired a new name. It wasn't until the mid-1950's that new laboratory techniques of culturing viruses could distinguish THIS polio from its clinical twin, aseptic meningitis. Before 1960, not a single case of "aseptic meningitis" was reported. Then, it was called (non-paralytic) "polio", and nationally had totaled 70,083 between 1951 and 1960. But from 1961 to 1992, there had been 220,365 cases of aseptic meningitis. There were only 589 cases of non-paralytic polio from 1961 to 1982. Not a single case has been reported since. Non-paralytic polio may have "disappeared". But thousands of children still experience the same symptoms as non-paralytic polio every year. Except now, it goes by another name.


Salk vaccinations began in the U.S. in April 1955. Only two months into the Salk campaign, the U.S. Public Health Service, on June 23, 1955, announced that there had been 168 confirmed cases of poliomyelitis among the vaccinated with six deaths. The News Chronicle of May 6, 1955, reported:

"The interval between the inoculation and the first sign of paralysis ranged from 5 to 20 days and in a large proportion of cases it started in the limb on which the injection had been given. Another feature of the tragedy was that the numbers developing polio were far greater than would have been expected had no inoculations been given. In fact, in the state of Idaho, according to a statement by Dr. Carl Eklund, one of the government's chief virus authorities, polio struck only vaccinated children in areas where there had been no cases of polio since the preceding autumn; in 9 out of 10 cases the paralysis occurred in the arms in which the vaccine had been injected."

In June, 1955, James C. Spaulding, a staff writer for the Milwaukee Journal covered an American Medical Association convention. Here is what Spaulding learned and reported on June 19, 1955:

"A policy of secrecy and deception has been followed by the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis and the U.S. Public Health Service in the polio vaccine programs. As a result the nation's physicians were prevented from learning vital information about the trouble in making and testing Salk vaccine… The secrecy and deception started before the field trials."

"One of the things the AMA was not told was that the USPHS had an advisory group made up almost entirely of scientists who were receiving money from the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, which body was exerting pressure to go ahead with the program, even after Salk vaccine was found to be dangerous."

"In May, some state public health officers met in Atlanta, expecting to be told what had gone wrong with the vaccine program. Instead, the USPHS scientist said he was not permitted to disclose what had happened because it would jeopardize the investment of the pharmaceutical firms in the vaccine program."

Suppressed reports condemning the Salk vaccine by technicians at the National Institutes of Health, was reported in, The Drug Story by Morris Bealle. Among the stories carried in this book is the one that James A. Shannon, M.D., of the National Institutes of Health in Washington, D.C., knew about the reports from the Institute's technicians in 1955, that "Salk vaccine was a killer and totally ineffective as a preventative." As a result of these reports of the Institutes Technicians, no official of the NIH would permit the vaccination of their own children with the Salk vaccine. Word of this leaked out when Robert S. Allen, Washington correspondent, reported in the New York Post, June 8, 1955, that "Doctors and others on the staff of the National Institute of Health are not inoculating their own children with the Salk Vaccine." "Nevertheless," says Mr. Bealle, "on orders from higher-ups in the U.S. Public Health Service, they kept quiet and let hundreds of unfortunate children be killed and thousands maimed for life."


An Associated Press Dispatch from Boston on August 30, 1955, reported 2,027 cases of polio in Massachusetts against 273 the same time the previous year—representing an increase of 743%. This followed the inoculation of 130,000 Massachusetts children, and the authorities banned the vaccine. Connecticut reported 276 cases in 1955, up from 144 in 1954; Vermont, 55 up from 15; Rhode Island, 122 up from 22, and Maine, 74 up from 43.

The Washington D.C. Star, September 20, 1955, reported 180 cases in Washington against 136 the same time in 1954; Maryland's Health Department reported 189 in 1955 to 134 in 1954; New York State, 764 to 469; Wisconsin, 1655 to 326. The Milwaukee Journal, on August 30, 1955, reported that the city's schools closed indefinitely because of the polio outbreak, following inoculation with the Salk vaccine. Idaho stopped Salk inoculations completely on July 1, 1955, with this blast from State Health Director Peterson said, "I hold Salk vaccine and its manufacturers responsible for a polio outbreak that has killed 7 Idahoans and hospitalized 79." By September 14th 1955, that state had 190 cases compared with 132 for the entire year of 1954. Newark, N.J. stopped inoculations in June, 1955, while Utah took similar action on July 12.


Polio cases rose about 300 to 400% in these 5 places that made the Salk vaccine compulsory by law:

—North Carolina: 78 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 313 cases in 1959.
—Connecticut: 45 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 123 cases in 1959.
—Tennessee: 119 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 386 cases in 1959. —Ohio: 17 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 52 cases in 1959. —Los Angeles: 89 cases in 1958 before compulsory shots. 190 cases in 1959.

By 1960, the Salk vaccine had proven to be so hazardous and ineffective, that the Journal of the American Medical Association (February 25, 1961) carried an article admitting that, "It is now generally recognized that much of the Salk vaccine used in the U.S. has been worthless."



why dont u do some of ur own research yongrel....proof is everywhere........as a registered nurse i do not recommend vaccines......they do more harm than good.....and as i said before, if all the other children are vaccinated and vaccination gives immunity to the disease, how could an unvaccinated child put any of these other children at risk? Only the child himself could be at risk for the disease, and that should be the business of that particular child and his or her parents. It should be virtually impossible, if vaccinations actually work, for an unvaccinated child who may get a particular disease, to give it to other children who have been vaccinated.
 
Doctors are being lied to just as the general public are led to believe these vaccines are safe.
As are school nurses.
You should do what YOU feel is right for YOUR child PERIOD.

My recent experience.
My wife mentioned to me that the school nurse suggested that our 15 year old daughter get vaccinated with the HPV vaccine. I said "No. Wait and let me research it first".
What I found is that the FDA's own site says:
It(Gardasil) is proven "safe and effective"("FDA has approved Gardasil as safe and effective for use in females ages 9-26 years" http://www.fda.gov/cber/products/hpvmer060806qa.htm Read # 14) AND also implies that adverse reactions are "unexpected and rare"(Read # 15 in link above).

Wonderful. BUT upon further research one may stumble across FDAnews news that summarizes what only FOIA requests could obtain. The VAERS(Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) reports for Gardasil. Summary: There have been 3,461 reports of adverse events, including a maximum of 11 deaths, in patients receiving Merck’s cervical cancer vaccine Gardasil.
DETAILED VAERS info: http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/GardasilVAERSUpdated.PDF
Rare adverse cases: http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/GardasilVAERSUpdatedDeaths0907.pdf

Then one finds this from a leading researcher for this type of vaccine:
http://www.kpcnews.com/articles/2007/03/14/online_features/hpv_vaccine/hpv01.txt

I told my daughter under no condition was she to let ANYONE give her that stuff. I also told her that she had my permission to use any karate, USMC(her older brother), or other defensive measures(as in fighting for your life) to get out of there and call me ASAP if ANYONE tried to forcefully give her the stuff.

My 2 cents.

YOUR child belongs to YOU.
The decision(s) belong to YOU.
 
If you don't immunize your daughter against the really bad diseases (I'm not talking about the flu, although that kills young ones all the time too) then you are neglecting your child. While you are not malicious, you have neglected a primary duty. There is absolutely no reputable evidence of vaccinations (on the hold) doing even close to more harm than good.

Now, I am not saying you are a bad person, what I am saying is that you are an irrational person, just like every other person on here who believes that you should stop immunizing your child.

I am saying this as a father of an 8 month old, and having looked into the issue. I've also taught college classes in rationality/philosophy of science. I am saying this only to tell you that there are conspiracists out there who are VERY confused about how to make a decent argument, and they are being pulled in by confirmation bias (an inductive fallacy). That is the only reason people fear vaccinations.

PLEASE vaccinate your children.
I've been reading about vaccinations and the dangers, and I've almost convinced my fiance to stop allowing the doctors to inject our 7 month old daughter with these toxins. She still has a mentality that they must do more good than bad because they're protecting her from diseases.
Anyways, I'm really worried about my daughter and I'm going to list off her vaccination record thus far and ask for some of you help and advice.

Here's her record so far:

Vaccine Dose Immunization Date

DTaP- 3- 1/19/2008

Hep B- 3- 1/16/2008

HIB- 3- 1/19/2008

IPV- 3- 1/19/2008

IPV- 2- 11/20/2007

IPV- 1- 9/18/2007

HIB- 2- 11/20/2007

HIB- 1- 9/18/2007

Hep B- 2- 9/18/2007

Hep B- 1- 7/20/2007

DTaP- 2- 11/20/2007

DTaP- 1- 9/18/2007

She was born 7/20/2007, and to the best of my knowledge this is her complete shot record so far. Since by the looks of things she's received a lot so far would it be smarter to completely stop getting the shots or would that do some harm since she's already received some?
I'm not an expert on this subject and I want what is best for her, is there any way to reverse any affects these shots so far have had on her? She's a very smart baby and I don't want these poisons to hurt her. What can I do?
I live in Ohio, can I just tell the pediatrician that I no longer want her to receive the shots? I know the doctor will try to convince me otherwise so what kind of excuse can I use? I don't want her to get any more shots, I really need some help here. A friend of our family has started not giving her kids vaccines and has started to take her kids to the chiropractor instead of a pediatrician because they use more holistic medicine, should I do something like this? I"m not too worried about public schools having problems with no vaccinations because I plan on homeschooling anyways.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated, thanks.
 
why dont u do some of ur own research yongrel....proof is everywhere........as a registered nurse i do not recommend vaccines......they do more harm than good.....and as i said before, if all the other children are vaccinated and vaccination gives immunity to the disease, how could an unvaccinated child put any of these other children at risk? Only the child himself could be at risk for the disease, and that should be the business of that particular child and his or her parents. It should be virtually impossible, if vaccinations actually work, for an unvaccinated child who may get a particular disease, to give it to other children who have been vaccinated.

Please cite your sources. I can pull a bunch of info from websites supporting any spurious point of view. Given the fact that most of your info is from 50 year old newspaper articles I am skeptical.

Futhermore, your claim that vaccinating children should be up to the parent is fine (I am not going to argue for mandatory vaccinations), but to say that it is between parent and child is nonsense. A child cannot choose whether to vaccinated. They will believe what their parent tells them. That's like saying it's between the parent and child as to whether they have sex with one another. You know as well as I do that a child can't make that decision.

Also, since a majority of doctors recommend vaccinations (including Dr. Paul) I'm hesitant to take the advice of a registered nurse.
 
As are school nurses.
You should do what YOU feel is right for YOUR child PERIOD.

My recent experience.
My wife mentioned to me that the school nurse suggested that our 15 year old daughter get vaccinated with the HPV vaccine. I said "No. Wait and let me research it first".
What I found is that the FDA's own site says:
It(Gardasil) is proven "safe and effective"("FDA has approved Gardasil as safe and effective for use in females ages 9-26 years" http://www.fda.gov/cber/products/hpvmer060806qa.htm Read # 14) AND also implies that adverse reactions are "unexpected and rare"(Read # 15 in link above).

Wonderful. BUT upon further research one may stumble across FDAnews news that summarizes what only FOIA requests could obtain. The VAERS(Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) reports for Gardasil. Summary: There have been 3,461 reports of adverse events, including a maximum of 11 deaths, in patients receiving Merck’s cervical cancer vaccine Gardasil.
DETAILED VAERS info: http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/GardasilVAERSUpdated.PDF
Rare adverse cases: http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/GardasilVAERSUpdatedDeaths0907.pdf

Then one finds this from a leading researcher for this type of vaccine:
http://www.kpcnews.com/articles/2007/03/14/online_features/hpv_vaccine/hpv01.txt

I told my daughter under no condition was she to let ANYONE give her that stuff. I also told her that she had my permission to use any karate, USMC(her older brother), or other defensive measures(as in fighting for your life) to get out of there and call me ASAP if ANYONE tried to forcefully give her the stuff.

My 2 cents.

YOUR child belongs to YOU.
The decision(s) belong to YOU.


Do you know that HPV is the leading cause of cervical cancer? I have known more than one person with cervical cancer. All had HPV first. Gardisil can almost guarantee that your daughter will not get cervical cancer(and it kills a lot more than 11 people). That facts are that the vaccine will kill a fraction of those that cervical cancer will kill.
 
So whats your point? Gardisil can come no where near claiming that she will not get cervical cancer.

And it is a PERSONAL CHOICE if the person wants to take that chance, not the governments and not \your choice to make for another person.

I should have stopped listening to you once you said you were a teacher.


Do you know that HPV is the leading cause of cervical cancer? I have known more than one person with cervical cancer. All had HPV first. Gardisil can almost guarantee that your daughter will not get cervical cancer(and it kills a lot more than 11 people). That facts are that the vaccine will kill a fraction of those that cervical cancer will kill.
 
And isn't HPV a sexually transmitted disease? I would think that if a parent can properly raise their daughter to not be a slut then this would be something to not worry about.

By the way I appreciate all of the advice given so far from both the pro and anti vaccine people.
 
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