Vaccinations and my daughter

[christagious]

I've been reading about vaccinations and the dangers, and I've almost convinced my fiance to stop allowing the doctors to inject our 7 month old daughter with these toxins. She still has a mentality that they must do more good than bad because they're protecting her from diseases.
Anyways, I'm really worried about my daughter and I'm going to list off her vaccination record thus far and ask for some of you help and advice.

Here's her record so far:

Vaccine Dose Immunization Date

DTaP- 3- 1/19/2008

Hep B- 3- 1/16/2008

HIB- 3- 1/19/2008

IPV- 3- 1/19/2008

IPV- 2- 11/20/2007

IPV- 1- 9/18/2007

HIB- 2- 11/20/2007

HIB- 1- 9/18/2007

Hep B- 2- 9/18/2007

Hep B- 1- 7/20/2007

DTaP- 2- 11/20/2007

DTaP- 1- 9/18/2007

She was born 7/20/2007, and to the best of my knowledge this is her complete shot record so far. Since by the looks of things she's received a lot so far would it be smarter to completely stop getting the shots or would that do some harm since she's already received some?
I'm not an expert on this subject and I want what is best for her, is there any way to reverse any affects these shots so far have had on her? She's a very smart baby and I don't want these poisons to hurt her. What can I do?
I live in Ohio, can I just tell the pediatrician that I no longer want her to receive the shots? I know the doctor will try to convince me otherwise so what kind of excuse can I use? I don't want her to get any more shots, I really need some help here. A friend of our family has started not giving her kids vaccines and has started to take her kids to the chiropractor instead of a pediatrician because they use more holistic medicine, should I do something like this? I"m not too worried about public schools having problems with no vaccinations because I plan on homeschooling anyways.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated, thanks.

 

[UnitedWeStand]

Call a midwife in your area and ask her if there are any pediatricians who are willing to not immunize. She will know=) This pediatrician can answer your questions. He/she can also write you a letter making any kind of future camp/ mothers day out/ swim team etc requirements satisfied as to your shot status.

basically you can refuse to have them on religious grounds (at this point anyway=).

A great source to look into is a magazine caled "Mothering". It has some great articles on immunizations.

 

[pinkmandy]

http://www.nvic.org/state-site/Ohio.htm

You're lucky. Ohio has a philosophical exemption. You only need say you are philosophically opposed and don't wish to discuss your child rearing practices with your pediatrician. And guess what? When you drop off the vax schedule you don't need to spend your money visiting them every few months. You are completely protected from force in Ohio.

It's unfathomable that some people think it's okay to do this to children after learning about it. 7 months old and your sweet dd has had 12 injections of 18 different chemical compounds. I don't know any adults who would willingly submit to that, kwim? Ask your fiance if he would. Good luck and please ask questions if you need anything. My son was vaccine injured (DTaP reaction). I'd give anything for a "do over".

If your fiance isn't on board, get him on board. He needs to do his research. The site above is a great one.

 

[Flirple]

I've been reading about vaccinations and the dangers, and I've almost convinced my fiance to stop allowing the doctors to inject our 7 month old daughter with these toxins. She still has a mentality that they must do more good than bad because they're protecting her from diseases.
Anyways, I'm really worried about my daughter and I'm going to list off her vaccination record thus far and ask for some of you help and advice.

Here's her record so far:

Vaccine Dose Immunization Date

DTaP- 3- 1/19/2008

Hep B- 3- 1/16/2008

HIB- 3- 1/19/2008

IPV- 3- 1/19/2008

IPV- 2- 11/20/2007

IPV- 1- 9/18/2007

HIB- 2- 11/20/2007

HIB- 1- 9/18/2007

Hep B- 2- 9/18/2007

Hep B- 1- 7/20/2007

DTaP- 2- 11/20/2007

DTaP- 1- 9/18/2007

She was born 7/20/2007, and to the best of my knowledge this is her complete shot record so far. Since by the looks of things she's received a lot so far would it be smarter to completely stop getting the shots or would that do some harm since she's already received some?
I'm not an expert on this subject and I want what is best for her, is there any way to reverse any affects these shots so far have had on her? She's a very smart baby and I don't want these poisons to hurt her. What can I do?
I live in Ohio, can I just tell the pediatrician that I no longer want her to receive the shots? I know the doctor will try to convince me otherwise so what kind of excuse can I use? I don't want her to get any more shots, I really need some help here. A friend of our family has started not giving her kids vaccines and has started to take her kids to the chiropractor instead of a pediatrician because they use more holistic medicine, should I do something like this? I"m not too worried about public schools having problems with no vaccinations because I plan on homeschooling anyways.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated, thanks.

Hi there Christagious,

I am begging you to not take any medical advice from the "health freedom" section on this message board. The vaccination propagandist are perhaps the most dangerous and deliberately prevaricating of all the pseudosciences. By denying your child the vaccinations you will not only be putting her life/health in danger but others in your community as well. The anti'vaccination crowd lies. And they lie big.

Do not confuse the science issue with the liberty issue. Of course the government shouldn't be allowed to mandate vaccines. Just like they shouldn't be allowed to prohibit people from killing themselves by overdosing on drugs.

But that does not change the fact that vaccines save lives and are overwhelmingly safe. You should allow your kid to get them because they work, are safe, and protect your kid from contracting and then spreading diseases to others in your community, not because the government requires you to do so.

Your daughter is not being poisoned by vaccinations. Vaccinations do not put your daughter at risk for getting diseases (autism, flu, etc.). If you have specific questions about specific concerns please let me know and I will do my best to answer them with established science, not myths and deliberate obfuscation that is running rampant within the anti-vaccination crowd.

Again, I am begging you to reconsider. This is not fun and games. This is important for your daughter's well being as well as the people she will come into contact with in her life. Please don't believe propaganda that has been debunked exhaustively.

 

[amy31416]

Hi there Christagious,

I am begging you to not take any medical advice from the "health freedom" section on this message board. The vaccination propagandist are perhaps the most dangerous and deliberately prevaricating of all the pseudosciences. By denying your child the vaccinations you will not only be putting her life/health in danger but others in your community as well. The anti'vaccination crowd lies. And they lie big.

Do not confuse the science issue with the liberty issue. Of course the government shouldn't be allowed to mandate vaccines. Just like they shouldn't be allowed to prohibit people from killing themselves by overdosing on drugs.

But that does not change the fact that vaccines save lives and are overwhelmingly safe. You should allow your kid to get them because they work, are safe, and protect your kid from contracting and then spreading diseases to others in your community, not because the government requires you to do so.

Your daughter is not being poisoned by vaccinations. Vaccinations do not put your daughter at risk for getting diseases (autism, flu, etc.). If you have specific questions about specific concerns please let me know and I will do my best to answer them with established science, not myths and deliberate obfuscation that is running rampant within the anti-vaccination crowd.

Again, I am begging you to reconsider. This is not fun and games. This is important for your daughter's well being as well as the people she will come into contact with in her life. Please don't believe propaganda that has been debunked exhaustively.

Thank you.

 

[Working Poor]

I know many children who have not had vaccines and they are for the most part healthier than most other children. Unfortunately I have a nephew that was born perfectly healthy and was making all the expected advances and after having a DPT shot he started crying all the time and falling off in his development now he is called autistic...

 

[pinkmandy]

My son had a severe reaction from the DTaP at 2. His fever went high and he started seizing. Encephalitis. Read the package inserts, it is a warning and my son is proof it happens. He suffered brain damage and is still recovering. He's 7 now.

It is outrageous to me that people think you need all those vaccinations, that young, to LIVE. Find out which diseases are deadly in a healthy person. Then if you vaccinate, do it slowly for THOSE diseases if you must.

Vaccines have NEVER been proven safe. The inserts say that. Read them. Read the potential side effects, right from the horse's mouth. Look into how many children have been compensated for injury, how many families have been compensated for death. Look up outbreaks of diseases (i.e. polio in the western hemisphere were caused BY the vaccine), measles outbreaks among vaccinated populations.

I do agree that you shouldn't listen to vaccination propagandists. They don't care about your individual child, they care about the herd.

 

[allyinoh]

Hi there Christagious,

I am begging you to not take any medical advice from the "health freedom" section on this message board. The vaccination propagandist are perhaps the most dangerous and deliberately prevaricating of all the pseudosciences. By denying your child the vaccinations you will not only be putting her life/health in danger but others in your community as well. The anti'vaccination crowd lies. And they lie big.

Do not confuse the science issue with the liberty issue. Of course the government shouldn't be allowed to mandate vaccines. Just like they shouldn't be allowed to prohibit people from killing themselves by overdosing on drugs.

But that does not change the fact that vaccines save lives and are overwhelmingly safe. You should allow your kid to get them because they work, are safe, and protect your kid from contracting and then spreading diseases to others in your community, not because the government requires you to do so.

Your daughter is not being poisoned by vaccinations. Vaccinations do not put your daughter at risk for getting diseases (autism, flu, etc.). If you have specific questions about specific concerns please let me know and I will do my best to answer them with established science, not myths and deliberate obfuscation that is running rampant within the anti-vaccination crowd.

Again, I am begging you to reconsider. This is not fun and games. This is important for your daughter's well being as well as the people she will come into contact with in her life. Please don't believe propaganda that has been debunked exhaustively.

No one is telling him to not do it, and by his post, he seems like he really doesn't want to. People have been telling him where to turn for advice and giving their opinions.

Do you have proof that vaccinations are 100% safe? Do you have documentation showing what is all included in every single vaccination? If so, please do provide this to us since you are 100% sure and KNOW that they are 100% safe.

I mean, you are telling him to not listen to others and listen to you, but why should he listen to you? You are telling him to keep doing the shots while others are telling him to ask professionals.

 

[fairverona]

Your daughter is not being poisoned by vaccinations. Vaccinations do not put your daughter at risk for getting diseases (autism, flu, etc.). If you have specific questions about specific concerns please let me know and I will do my best to answer them with established science, not myths and deliberate obfuscation that is running rampant within the anti-vaccination crowd.

Again, I am begging you to reconsider. This is not fun and games. This is important for your daughter's well being as well as the people she will come into contact with in her life. Please don't believe propaganda that has been debunked exhaustively.

You mean this propaganda?

First confirmed link to vaccines and autism:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/health/stories/2008/03/06/autism_0306.html

Mark my words, this will NOT be the last.

My mother went into her doctors' office about 3 weeks ago and noticed a sign on the door about a recalled vaccine. Recalled! It was already injected into people and they had to recall it! The sign also said that this vaccine was not the brand given to insured customers, only the uninsured. So they're administering faulty vaccines into people who can't afford insurance! Well hoorah.

 

[maggiebott]

Avoid these shots since autism is now 1 in 75 kids. Eli Lilly is protected under the patriot act of being sued for wrongful death or injury. There are still vials tainted with mercury out there. Doctors are being lied to just as the general public are led to believe these vaccines are safe.

 

[pacelli]

[quote="Immunizations and autism: A review", Doja & Roberts, 2006]Doja A, Roberts W.

Division of Neurology, Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario, Ottawa, ON, Canada.

Because of a temporal correlation between the first notable signs and symptoms of autism and the routine childhood vaccination schedule, many parents have become increasingly concerned regarding the possible etiologic role vaccines may play in the development of autism. In particular, some have suggested an association between the Measles-Mumps-Rubella vaccine and autism. Our literature review found very few studies supporting this theory, with the overwhelming majority showing no causal association between the Measles-Mumps-Rubella vaccine and autism. The vaccine preservative thimerosal has alternatively been hypothesized to have a possible causal role in autism. Again, no convincing evidence was found to support this claim, nor for the use of chelation therapy in autism. With decreasing uptake of immunizations in children and the inevitable occurrence of measles outbreaks, it is important that clinicians be aware of the literature concerning vaccinations and autism so that they may have informed discussions with parents and caregivers.[/quote]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Autism cases in California continued to climb after a mercury-rich vaccine preservative that some people blame for the neurological disorder was removed from routine childhood shots, a new study found.
Researchers from the state Department of Public Health found the autism rate in children rose continuously during the 12-year study period from 1995 to 2007. The preservative thimerosal has not been used in childhood vaccines since 2001, but is used in some flu shots.

Doctors say the latest study adds to evidence refuting a link between thimerosal exposure and autism risk and should reassure parents that the disorder is not caused by vaccinations. If there was a risk, they said, autism rates should have dropped between 2004 and 2007.

The findings show "no evidence of mercury poisoning in autism" because there was no decline in autism rates even after the elimination of thimerosal, said Dr. Eric Fombonne, an autism researcher at Montreal Children's Hospital, who had no role in the research.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/08/autism_rate_in_calif_increases/


The bottom line is that it is very important for you to do independent homework on the issue. Get multiple opinions, search through the published research.

 

[Leslie Webb]

1. Read Evidence of Harm by David Kirby, a science writer for the New York Times. The book is about parents who believe that vaccinations caused their children to develop autism. The parents he writes about are normal middle class Americans-- a lawyer, a nurse married to a doctor, a computer expert, a financial planner, etc. -- who through their experience and study concluded that vaccinations containing Thimerosal (a preservative containing mercury) caused their children to develop autism. Kirby covers their story well, especially the parents' run-ins with the CDC and the CDC's refusal to release its data on vaccinations to the public.

2. See the lectures by Andrew Wakefield and others at http://www.chem.cmu.edu/wakefield/
Wakefield was a gastroenterologist in England, and I believe he now works in Texas. In England parents of autistic children came to him because these children had chronic diarrhea. He discusses various scientific studies that point to a link between the MMR vaccine, intestinal problems, and autism.

 

[pacelli]

Avoid these shots since autism is now 1 in 75 kids. Eli Lilly is protected under the patriot act of being sued for wrongful death or injury. There are still vials tainted with mercury out there. Doctors are being lied to just as the general public are led to believe these vaccines are safe.

1 in 75, that is national? Where is that figure coming from? CDC has 1 in 150 but it is not a national number.

What is the prevalence of autism?

CDC’s Autism and Developmental Disabilities Monitoring (ADDM) Network released data in 2007 that found about 1 in 150 8-year-old children in multiple areas of the United States had an ASD.

Since the ADDM sites do not represent a nationally representative sample, the prevalence estimates should not be generalized to every community in the United States. Although accurate for the areas we studied, rates may be higher or lower in other areas. However, these prevalence estimates can help communities project how many children may have autism for planning and identification purposes. They can also be used to provide for more appropriate interventions for children with ASDs.

What do the ADDM network results tell us about the prevalence of ASD in the United States?

Results from CDC’s ADDM network showed the average ASD prevalence among states participating in the project was 6.7 per 1,000 children in 2000 (6 sites) and 6.6 per 1,000 in 2002 (14 sites), or approximately 1in 150 children.

Most sites identified between 5.2—7.6 per 1,000 8-year-old children with ASD in 2000 and 2002. There was some variation with ASD prevalence significantly lower in 1 site (3.3 in AL) and higher in 1 site (10.6 in NJ). Prevalence was stable from 2000 to 2002 in 4 of the 6 sites that participated in both surveillance years, but increased slightly in GA and significantly in WV, indicating the need for ongoing monitoring of prevalence over time. These data provide important information on the prevalence of ASD in areas of the United States and will be used to examine trends in the occurrence of these disabilities over time.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/faq_prevalence.htm

 

[pacelli]

Larry King will have the family on his show on CNN tonight on the show Larry King Live:

(AP) -- Government health officials have conceded that childhood vaccines worsened a rare, underlying disorder that ultimately led to autism-like symptoms in a Georgia girl, and that she should be paid from a federal vaccine-injury fund.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/03/05/autism.vaccines.ap/index.html

 

[pinkmandy]

1 in 75 is NJ. For some reason they have a much higher rate.

Also, the CDC is not to be trusted. They advise US pregnant women get vaccinated for the flu. However, the vaccine manufacturers advise against it because they have not been tested for effects on fetuses and they consider the vaccines to be a Class C drug.

Also, when reading about studies which deny relationships please take the time to find out WHO backs the studies and where the interests are. If most of the scientists involved have a vested financial interest in the vaccines the findings may not be accurate.

Autism is FAR from the only concern and thimerasol is far from the only questionable ingredient used.

 

[moostraks]

Hi there Christagious,

By denying your child the vaccinations you will not only be putting her life/health in danger but others in your community as well. The anti'vaccination crowd lies. And they lie big.

WOW!!!! Most just want people to be informed and choose vaccinations rather than being pressured into it...There is no kick back for the individual anti-vaccine parent but there sure is a financial reward to the pharmaceutical companies and the medical establishment who pushes these products...

Your daughter is not being poisoned by vaccinations. This is not fun and games. This is important for your daughter's well being as well as the people she will come into contact with in her life. Please don't believe propaganda that has been debunked exhaustively.

Anyone should question the motives of the people pushing a specific agenda. Twice you have mentioned the danger to society by the non-vaccinated. One should have confidence in the products they are injecting in their bodies to perform. Therefore the danger would be to the uninoculated.

Furthermore, studies reflect the bias of the parties seeking to formulate a specific result. Your rhetoric is one of fear mongering. The research has not been conclusively debunked, just the opposite. These vaccines contain harmful contaminants and one should be an informed consumer. If China can't ship products with additives put as perservatives in dog food, then the standard for shots should be all the greater....

Weigh the risks along with moral conscience(fetal cells are utilized in formulating many in the typical youth vaccination program) and procede informed and confident that you did the best according to your conscience rather than following fear and the herd mentality...Best wishes on your decision!!!

 

[hopeforthefuture]

www.childhoodshots.com

 

[amy31416]

I'm very torn on this issue, because of the undeniable good that vaccines have done to rid us of polio, measles, etc., but I just read this article that seems to lend some credence to the autism/vaccine link.

Staying informed is important.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jPIMulfcbi1seZqbdrRmkoVP20IgD8V87RM00

 

[juice797]

Yet another

In my immediate family I ALSO have an example of DPT and MMR correlated fever, seizure and crying. Directly correlated, to the very day. And then autism was found later. This isn't rocket science. Anti-vaccine people have nothing to gain by sharing their views. They're not the ones making profits off of the vaccines. It is so personally painful to me to see healthy children suffer from preventable brain damage.

 

[specsaregood]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/the-vaccineautism-court-_b_88558.html
This may be the first "vaccine/autism link" case won in federal court:

"The Vaccine-Autism Court Document Every American Should Read"

Excerpt:
"ANALYSIS

Medical personnel at the Division of Vaccine Injury Compensation, Department of Health and Human Services (DVIC) have reviewed the facts of this case, as presented by the petition, medical records, and affidavits. After a thorough review, DVIC has concluded that compensation is appropriate in this case.

In sum, DVIC has concluded that the facts of this case meet the statutory criteria for demonstrating that the vaccinations CHILD received on July 19, 2000, significantly aggravated an underlying mitochondrial disorder, which predisposed her to deficits in cellular energy metabolism, and manifested as a regressive encephalopathy with features of autism spectrum disorder. Therefore, respondent recommends that compensation be awarded to petitioners in accordance with 42 U.S.C. § 300aa-11(c)(1)(C)(ii).

DVIC has concluded that CHILD's complex partial seizure disorder, with an onset of almost six years after her July 19, 2000 vaccinations, is not related to a vaccine-injury.

Respectfully submitted,

PETER D. KEISLER
Assistant Attorney General"