Using bullion in transactions now

Here's my guess about what the IRS will say:

1. If you "sell" (trade) an item for gold, that would be considered barter, and tax would be due on the difference between your cost for the item sold and the then-current fair market value of the gold. That FMV will become your basis for the gold.

2. If/when you sell the gold (for cash), tax will be due at collectible tax rates (28%) for the difference between its basis and the final sales price.

3. If/when you "sell" (trade) the gold for another item, that will also be considered a barter exchange, and tax at income rates will be due for the difference between your basis in the gold and the then-current FMV of the item acquired in exchange.

I don't think it matters whether you use legal tender coins or not, I suspect the same rules still hold.

The big question, actually, is whether you can avoid the 28% collectibles tax by bartering the gold instead of selling it. I'm guessing that you can, but I of course don't know for sure.

They also have some strange reporting requirements for barter exchanges -- Form 1099B, or something like that, which might kick in at some point.
 
Why don't you try using community currencies? Also called local currencies. This would be in the spirit of what Ron Paul called "competing currencies".

What's to stop the local currency issuer from inflating it without bound? That's what the states did early on in the US--they issued their own money, it inflated and became worthless.

The advantage would be that you would not be dependent on valuable bullion which might rise up very steeply in price once its use starts spreading.

I'm not sure how bad the rise would be (lots of downward pressure as well), or if a rise would be a bad thing at all.

Also, what stops any local currency from fluctuating significantly in value?
 
The big question, actually, is whether you can avoid the 28% collectibles tax by bartering the gold instead of selling it. I'm guessing that you can, but I of course don't know for sure.

I'm not trying to avoid anything. 28% of the gains on 0.1 grams of gold would be a rather small amount anyway. But the burden of calculating that every time you buy a loaf of bread--1000 times a year, that's absurd. I'm more concerned about the paperwork burden.
 
I don't think it would be a bad idea though to start informing businesses about the value of REAL money so that they could possibly set up a price system in copper, silver, or gold (depending on the type of business). Maybe at least when the dollar collapses we would semi have a system already in place to accept alternative currencies, like an easy switch over.

I obviously don't know how much things would cost in PM (aside from converting to FRN) and wouldn't expect businesses to know how much a tire or a haircut would cost in metal either. One solution to this would be to research and come up with a list of goods/services and their price worth in metal, so that a business could better judge how much their product or services were worth.

I don't know if using metals would be widespead or not in an event of a crash. What did they use back during the great depression as well as other countries?
 
I'm not trying to avoid anything. 28% of the gains on 0.1 grams of gold would be a rather small amount anyway. But the burden of calculating that every time you buy a loaf of bread--1000 times a year, that's absurd. I'm more concerned about the paperwork burden.

I wouldn't want to advocate tax evasion, because that's a crime. But aside from your own honesty, is there any other check on whether or not you claim the possession of precious metals and use them in person to person transactions?
 
http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_05/hommel100406.html:
1. Mint your own silver "rounds", or buy standard rounds at 6% over spot. (Find bullion dealers or mints here: http://silverstockreport.com/buybullion.htm)
2. Offer your employees the benefit of receiving part of their paychecks, in silver rounds, priced at 10% over spot.
3. Offer to accept the silver that you gave to your employees, at 10% over spot, for products that you sell.
4. Don't offer to trade silver for large quantities of dollars.
 
Fair market value. Measured in what? In dollars? Then what is the definition of a dollar? I don't think it's ever changed since the coinage act of 1792. A dollar is a unit mass of silver, so for tax purposes, when measuring fair market value, it should be done in silver, should it not? If not, then where is the definition of dollar in the IRC in which we can calculate the fair market value against? What we have in our bank accounts and our wallets are Federal Reserve Notes, which fluctuate in value compared to the dollar. Do we take the fair market value of that based on silver, when we determine any gain or income for tax purposes?

Right now, a one dollar bill of credit from the federal reserve has a Fair Market Value of 0.08 dollars. If I was paid $50,000 in federal reserve notes for a year, I actually was paid a fair market value of $4,049, and would have not income tax liability after the standard deductions.
 
What's to stop the local currency issuer from inflating it without bound? That's what the states did early on in the US--they issued their own money, it inflated and became worthless.

I'm not sure how bad the rise would be (lots of downward pressure as well), or if a rise would be a bad thing at all.

Also, what stops any local currency from fluctuating significantly in value?

Nothing except the system of trust that is build around it. But as a locally created currency you would have more insight into what is going on. The people creating the currency cannot escape being held responsible so easily. Also since it is entirely voluntary you can switch the currency or make your own if it doesn't work out .

This is in the spirit of "competing currencies" that Ron Paul advocated.
 
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Managing without money may sound like a radical idea, but for most of history - and even in many parts of the world to day - economic life didn't revolve around currency. Homo economicus either bartered or made do with what he caught, foraged or grew himself.

While those days are mostly gone, it's still possible to reduce your cash needs. Bartering networks, local exchange trading systems and radical approaches like locally - instead of federally - issued currency allow one to largely sidestep dollar bills and credit cards. Why bother? For the same reasons Henry David Thoreau did: to simplify one's life, to gain free time, to feel a greater connection between one's work efforts and spending needs, to become more self- or community-reliant, and to reduce your environmental impact.

Bartering and trading networks vary in detail, but share a similar basic setup: Members, whose skills and products are listed in a directory, make exchanges. These swaps are recorded by a computer as credits and debits (depending on whether you were the consumer or provider). Credits can be spent with any other member of the network, so you don't need to directly swap with the person whose house you painted. Assuming traders don't accumulate too many debits (similar to "maxing out" a credit card, with the major difference that it's ill will from friends and neighbors that builds up), the system will work smoothly.

Local currency works on the same principle, but instead of a central computer recording transactions, locally-issued dollars change hands. Since that money is only accepted in its area, this strengthens a community's economic self-reliance, say proponents. Out-of-town-based chain stores, for example, won't accept it.

Act Locally

Businesses that receive community currency must in turn spend it locally, the intent being to create a positive economic cycle. It's the opposite of what now typically happens when large corporations make profits in a community but then use it to invest elsewhere, often sidestepping U.S. environmental regulations. For giant banks, multinational corporations and credit card companies that routinely transfer electronic cash back and forth over national boundaries, local economic self-reliance amounts to an act of heresy, a chink in the global economy's armor.

Tim Mitchell, project manager of the Valley Trade Connection, a nonprofit barter network and local currency project in Massachusetts, says that spending locally, even when the money is regular greenbacks, has major regional benefits. He cites studies showing that "a dollar traded at a locally owned store is usually spent between six and 15 times before it leaves the community." The shopkeeper pays a clerk, who pays his landlord, who pays her chiropractor, who buys a newspaper ad. "From $1," says Mitchell, "you create $5 to $14 in value within that community. But when that same dollar is spent at a national chain store, 80 cents of it leaves town immediately-to pay executive salaries, distant manufacturers and importers, and truckers."

"Local currencies," says Paul Glover, the writer and community economist from Ithaca, New York who is credited with reviving local money, "exist to expand participants' economic possibilities. Money was the missing link, preventing good things from happening. If we waited around for government or bankers to provide that money, we'd wait for a long time." As renegade economist Hazel Henderson puts it, "Local barter systems and local currencies flourish when a country is managing its affairs inappropriately."

Glover created Ithaca Hours in 1991 by approaching local businesses with the offer of two free Ithaca Hours (worth $20) if they accepted the currency for payment at their store. Businesses that remain active receive an additional two Hours every eight months. The initial group of 90 tradespeople who agreed to accept the currency, has grown to over 1,200, and millions of Ithaca Hours dollars have circulated. Many Ithacans receive their entire salary in Ithaca Hours - using it to pay their mortgage or rent, food and plumbing bills. Glover's prototype has become a model for other towns and regions throughout the world.

Currently, 30 U.S. cities and towns issue local currency, including Madison, Wisconsin, Santa Barbara, California and Brooklyn, New York. It's perfectly legal, and even has a long and varied history. The U.S. didn't have a national currency until the Civil War. And during the Depression, local currency kept many a community going. The Internal Revenue Service has no objection to local currencies, as long as they're pegged to the value of U.S. dollars. According to the Tax Equity Act of 1982, barter income has to be reported to the government annually, using Form 1099B. Barters conducted to help with business expenses are tax-deductible. CONTACT: National Association of Trade Exchanges, 27801 Euclid Avenue, Cleveland, OH 44132/(216)731-8030. For a local currency starter kit, send $25 to: Ithaca Money, PO Box 6578, Ithaca, NY 14851.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-20492816.html


Screw reporting the income, what the government does not know of it cannot take
 
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