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Was that comment base don you vast amount of military experience?
US troops in Afghanistan pose in front of NAZI Schutzstaffel banner.
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Was that comment base don you vast amount of military experience?
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"It is well that war is so terrible, else we should grow too fond of it." - Robert E. Lee
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You don't need military experience to make this judgement. Look at what the "rulers" and trainers say.
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War is how States bully each other and acquire plunder and generally "thrive". War is the health of the State, and a sacrament of state-worship.
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You think those Marines would be happy shooting Americans? That's a disgusting comment. Take your meds...LoL - I appreciate the effort, and there are some kick ass rifles in that shot (too bad the riflemen behind them will be equally at ease shooting at us when the time comes) but I'm not going to accept the idea that somebody made a banner that stood for "Sniper Scouts" and used the exact same SS runes that Himmler chose.
They knew whatmeant.
Explain to us how those are Nazi? The Nazi's stole runes (and symbolism from everywhere). Armanen runes go back to ancient Nordic times. But of course nobody talked to the Marines, they just used them for projection.
Runes are pre-Christian European, whats so wrong with taking possession of them?
Nothing has been said about gangs in the US military tho:
http://www.military.com/news/article/2011/fbi-says-gangs-infiltrating-the-us-military.html
Those are ACTUAL gang members.
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What "rulers" and "trainers"? Noticed you didn't provide any links.
With that said, I can't imagine you being in the military ever.
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Yes, it's what they've been trained to do. The majority of the men I served with would not even take a moments hesitation when they were in the service, I can't say that I would have either. We were trained to follow orders, and when the orders come to engage domestics, they will do so.
Since getting out, many have seen different, as have I.
It's a salient comment, take off your blinders.
They are the symbol of the SS. The swastika has been used as a symbol of peace for thousands of years in many religions, are you to contend to me that wearing a swastika around today, especially in military uniform, invokes the thought of peace and not of Nazism?
And your point? I'm FAR more concerned about the increase in militarism and it's intertwining with the police state than I am about some gang bangers in the military. When we have stopped the police state and it's full frontal assault on the people I will gladly work with you on gangs in the military, deal?
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I think some would definitely follow orders to shoot Americans, and I don't need meds to state that fact. Due to the NDAA Bill--usurps Posse Comitatus Act of 1878.
Take a listen to what Stuart Rhodes has to say about the NDAA:
Of course there are gang members in the military, they definitely lowered the bar only because many kids were not volunteering. In other cases the military is the only option for these gang members to not be behind bars. Recruiters are definitely going into the ghettos and low income areas making their quotas too. With the economy the way it is, presently, most of these kids join the military because they are promised signing bonuses with a college education.
Would you widely accepted if they had a hammer and sickle logo? Or how about the swastika?
They are in your face! The arrogance of the Military Industrial Complex!
“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”
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"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
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pick any militarist you want. If a soldier isn't broken to follow orders, he won't fare well in combat. This is why the militias in this country have always been intended to be well-regulated.
Irrelevant, but you really don't know anywhere near enough about me to make this judgement.
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I dunno. I'm against the wars we have started and I was marine corps infantry in Iraq and the Stan. But that ss logo has been around awhile in scout sniper platoons. The native Americans had swatikas, so did people in India. Those symbols were un related. Maybe this one is too. I don't think the people in the photo are trying to support the Nazi ss
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Someone brought that flag with them and they all stood in front of it...I wonder what those men would say if asked what that flag means to them? Why don't they ask? In any event, I can see where some would without knowing the intention jump to Nazi flag etc...I suppose they are trying to say that they are elite...
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You are right in that Nazis took various symbols that existed way before. Just as you said runes are pre-Christian European, swastika is a pre-Christian symbol that is considered holy by billions of people in India. For sake of argument, let' say a group of soldiers posed in front of a swastika flag, would you defend it using same argument?
http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&gbv=1&q=india swastika
U.S. Navy building looks like a swastika
By CAROLYN MARSHALL
Published: September 27, 2007
The Navy plans to spend $600,000 for “camouflage” landscaping and rooftop adjustments so that 1960s-era barracks at the Naval Base Coronado near San Diego will no longer look like a Nazi swastika from the air.
The resemblance went unnoticed by the public for decades until it was spotted in aerial views on Google Earth.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/us/27swastika.html
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Soldiers are not trained to "murder," they are trained to engage and destroy enemy forces. We are specifically trained NOT kill non-combatants. Sometimes non combatants are killed unintentionally, sometimes soldiers fail to live up to the standards and kill innocent civilians. But we are NOT trained to "murder," nor are we desensitized to it, nor do most soldiers do it.
Have you ever served in the military, or are you talking out of your ass?
Don't bother to respond, we already know the answer...
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While I agree to an extent with point you're making, but your view seems to be bit too sanitized about what happens in war aka "hell" as many pro war folks seem to see iy as.
Do you have some idea how many of people of people killed during Iraq and Afghan wars have been "enemy forces" and how many innocent civilians?
The soldiers who dropped bombs on Heroshima, Nagasaki and military that sent them in their minds were probably engaging and destroying enemy forces but we all know how many civilians were instantly burnt to death. Extreme argument but I thought it had to be pointed out that killing is what they are primarily trained for and distinctions between "enemy force" and "innocent enemy civilians" in the fog of war is not always so clear.
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Many of which were butchers and rapists on the eastern front.
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Right. You can pretend all you want that they didn't know exactly what they were doing.
