US Officials: Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks?

[pcosmar]

More likely we start something with Iran and Russia jumps in. Those countries have a relationship.

-t

More like,,
Israel starts something with Iran..and Russia/China get involved..
Then we jump in on the side of Israel,,

WWIII ensues
No One wins.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

More like,,
Israel starts something with Iran..and Russia/China get involved..
Then we jump in on the side of Israel,,

WWIII ensues
No One wins.

I'll concede - it probably would go down just like that.

You probably don't want to read the Israeli press right now if you don't have a good supply of diapers around.

-t

Ah - WTF... these are the headlines in the Jerusalem Post today:

Senior Iranian official threatens Israel with destruction

Panetta: No Israeli decision yet on attacking Iran

 

[KingNothing]

Likely deficient because of the strategic choice to pursue weapons for "modern warfare", where "modern warfare" means killing brown people with ak-47's. Predator drones are highly effective at that... actual warfare... not so much.


Just another way the war on brown people has made us weaker

Nah. From what I understand, this kind of thing happens all the time. These subs are amazing, and the countries that have them are always playing games of cat-and-mouse with each other like this.

 

[bolil]

They snuck in a boat? Time to jack up the budget.

 

[KingNothing]

We're good at listening to the billions of conversations Americans have between each other.

Listening for enemy nuclear submarines, not so much.

I think it's nearly impossible to do.

That said, I've heard stories about the CIA sending spooks onto these subs and having them hook-up equipment to intercept ALL electronic communications, and setting up shop off the coast of foreign, and domestic, cities.


My guess is that the Russians do basically the same thing.

 

[KingNothing]

I have a hard time believing this.

Why? Based on the stories I've heard from guys who actually live in nuclear subs, this is completely reasonable and so common that it isn't even newsworthy.

Danke was right --- this article was only written so that some people could politicize their pet-issue and push for funding.


They might be on to something, though. This probably is a sincere hole in our defenses that we might be able to fix by spending money on it, rather than stupid wars of choice.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

More likely we start something with Iran and Russia jumps in. Those countries have a relationship.
-t

Well there are approximately 24 million Muslims in Russia

More like,,
Israel starts something with Iran..and Russia/China get involved..
Then we jump in on the side of Israel,,

WWIII ensues
No One wins.

all within the past few hours ago... but consider the sources of the media. Remember all that legislation the whores in Congress passed to give Israel your tax dollars and assets(weaponry, assistance, etc). Additionally, don't forget the trade agreement analysis between the US and Israel is classified.

Israel 'prepared for 30-day war with Iran'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19274866

Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...trike-as-citizens-say-government-serious.html

Diplomats Ordering Gas Masks As Embassies In Israel Prepare For Iran Strike
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=8481

Ex-CIA Analyst Tells Us The Real Reason Israel Wants To Strike Iran Before The US Election

http://www.businessinsider.com/ex-c...n-before-the-us-election-2012-8#ixzz23e343pMt
​

 

[pcosmar]

You probably don't want to read the Israeli press right now if you don't have a good supply of diapers around.

Too late,, have been..
And civil Defense ramping up in Israel.. folks stocking up on Gas masks and such.

Sabers rattling,,drums beating.

only a matter of time.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

the feds are too busy snooping on its own citizens to keep watch on anything else.

And sending DHS SWAT teams to Flea Markets to intercept "counterfeit" DVDs and shirts.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Still a notable silence..
Perhaps some truth to the One and Only exception,,
http://www.businessinsider.com/wired-the-air-forces-x-51a-waverider-test-was-a-total-failure-2012-8


More millions down the tube.

http://www.businessinsider.com/wired-the-air-forces-x-51a-waverider-test-was-a-total-failure-2012-8

The X-51A was slated to hit 4,000 mph and rip through the sky for a full 300 seconds Tuesday, and this is the second failure of the craft in two years.

WHOOO HOOO! - range 333 miles!

Though this test will see the X-51 dropped from beneath the wing of a B-52 at 50,000 feet over the Pacific, experts hope the technology could*revolutionize air travel*on everything from to missiles, to manned aircraft.

Ummm....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde

With only 20 aircraft built, their development represented a substantial economic loss, in addition to which Air France and British Airways (BA) were subsidised by their governments to buy them. As a result of the type’s only crash on 25 July 2000 and other factors, its retirement flight was on 26 November 2003.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde#Retirement

On 10 April 2003, Air France and British Airways simultaneously announced that they would retire Concorde later that year.[141] They cited low passenger numbers following the 25*July 2000 crash, the slump in air travel following 11*September 2001, and rising maintenance costs. Although Concorde was technologically advanced when introduced in the 1970s, 30*years later its analogue cockpit was dated. There had been little commercial pressure to upgrade Concorde due to a lack of competing aircraft, unlike other airliners of the same era such as the Boeing*747.[142] By its retirement, it was the last aircraft in British Airways' fleet that had a flight engineer; other aircraft, such as the modernised 747-400, had eliminated the role.[143]

…

It has been suggested that Concorde was not withdrawn for the reasons usually given but that it became apparent during the grounding of Concorde that the airlines could make more revenue carrying first class passengers subsonically.[148] Rob Lewis suggested that the Air France retirement of its Concorde fleet was the result of a conspiracy between Air France Chairman Jean-Cyril Spinetta and Airbus CEO Noel Forgeard, and stemmed as much from a fear of being found criminally liable under French law for future Concorde accidents as from simple economics.[149] A lack of commitment to Concorde from Director of Engineering Alan MacDonald was cited as having undermined BA’s resolve to continue operating Concorde.[150]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde#Comparable_aircraft

The only supersonic airliner in direct competition with Concorde was the Soviet Tupolev Tu-144, nicknamed "Concordski" by Western Europeans for its outward similarity to Concorde.[180] It had been alleged that Soviet espionage efforts had resulted in the theft of Concorde blueprints, ostensibly to assist in the design of the Tu-144.[181] As a result of a rushed development programme, the first Tu-144 prototype was substantially different from the preproduction machines, but both were cruder than Concorde. The Tu-144S had a significantly shorter range than Concorde, due to its low-bypass turbofan engines.[182] The aircraft had poor control at low speeds because of a simpler supersonic wing design; in addition the Tu-144 required parachutes to land while Concorde used anti-lock brakes.[183] The Tu-144 had two crashes, one at the 1973 Paris Air Show,[184][185] and another during a pre-delivery test flight in May 1978.[186][187]
Later production Tu-144 versions were more refined and competitive. They had retractable canards for better low-speed control, turbojet engines providing nearly the fuel efficiency and range of Concorde[188] and a top speed of Mach 2.35. Passenger service commenced in November 1977, but after the 1978 crash the aircraft was taken out of service. The aircraft had an inherently unsafe structural design as a consequence of an automated production method chosen in order to simplify and speed up manufacturing.[189]
The American designs, the Boeing 2707 and the Lockheed L-2000 were to have been larger, with seating for up to 300 people.[190][191] Running a few years behind Concorde, the Boeing 2707 was redesigned to a cropped delta layout; the extra cost of these changes helped to kill the project.[192] The operation of US military aircraft such as the XB-70 Valkyrie and B-58 Hustler had shown that sonic booms were quite capable of reaching the ground,[193] and the experience from the Oklahoma City sonic boom tests led to the same environmental concerns that hindered the commercial success of Concorde. The American government cancelled the project in 1971, after having spent more than $1*billion.[194]
The only other large supersonic aircraft comparable to Concorde are strategic bombers, principally the Russian Tupolev Tu-22, Tu-22M and Tu-160 and the American B-1 Lancer.[195]

-t

 

[RonRules]

More like,,
Israel starts something with Iran.

Nope, WE will start something with Iran. It's our duty!

Let Wolf and Michael Oren tell you:

Good stuff starts at 4:20 if you want to save time:

 

[coastie]

So that's what spooled my 130lb class outfit a couple of months ago while we were fishing!

 

[Dr.3D]

So that's what spooled my 130lb class outfit a couple of months ago while we were fishing!

I understand, they fight like hell once you've got em hooked.

 

[RonRules]

So that's what spooled my 130lb class outfit a couple of months ago while we were fishing!

So that's what ripped out the blowout protection off the Deepwater Horizon drill pipe in the gulf of Mexico!

 

[XNavyNuke]

The submarine patrol also exposed what U.S. officials said were deficiencies in U.S. anti-submarine warfare capabilities - forces that are facing cuts under the Obama administration's plan to reduce defense spending by $487 billion over the next 10 years.

Reason for article.

Then thats one more count where the purported journalist failed miserably. The policy decision to decomm the last dedicated ASW DD's was made by the Clinton Administration. Bush 2 exacerbated it by pushing procurement of Burkes (primarily an AAW platform) instead and wasting resources on an LCS with a vaporware to-be-determined ASW module. The -19 towed array space on most Burkes have be lovingly turned into gym equipment areas. Hypothetically, this could be ripped out and at TA put back in if the ship isn't on the wrong side of the Pacific and manages to make it back to port. Then of course you have training that goes along with a TA. -sigh-

XNN

 

[devil21]

^^^^
In english please? Too many damn acronyms in Navy speak.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Funny how this doesn't make news at all in the US when our most favored "free trade" partner does the same thing, sneaking up close enough to blow the USS Kitty Hawk out of the water before anybody could have figured out what had happened, if they wanted to.



The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced

Last updated at 00:13 10 November 2007

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.

At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.

That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.

 

[XNavyNuke]

^^^^
In english please? Too many damn acronyms in Navy speak.

Secret decoder ring:
ASW - Anti Submarine Warfare
DD - Destroyer, the one I'm referring to is specifically the Spruance-class
Bush 2 - that would be the Son of Bush administration.
Burke - The class of destroyer replacing all other previous classes which were more-or-less optimized for a specific task. Burkes do them all. Think Swiss Army Knife.
AAW - Anti Aircraft Warfare
-19 - refers to the AN/SQR-19 Tactical Towed Array sonar system. Think long tail of hydrophones pulled behind the vessel and used to listen for sounds emitted underwater.
TA - Towed Array (see above)
sigh - exhalation of a deep breath

 

[Dr.3D]

Secret decoder ring:
ASW - Anti Submarine Warfare
DD - Destroyer, the one I'm referring to is specifically the Spruance-class
Bush 2 - that would be the Son of Bush administration.
Burke - The class of destroyer replacing all other previous classes which were more-or-less optimized for a specific task. Burkes do them all. Think Swiss Army Knife.
AAW - Anti Aircraft Warfare
-19 - refers to the AN/SQR-19 Tactical Towed Array sonar system. Think long tail of hydrophones pulled behind the vessel and used to listen for sounds emitted underwater.
TA - Towed Array (see above)
sigh - exhalation of a deep breath

Yeah, we had a TA behind our ship for some time, and it has even more uses than just listening. LOL

 

[XNavyNuke]

Funny how this doesn't make news at all in the US when our most favored "free trade" partner does the same thing, sneaking up close enough to blow the USS Kitty Hawk out of the water before anybody could have figured out what had happened, if they wanted to.

The news gets out in other channels, where journalistic drivel is corrected.
USS Kitty Hawk And The Chinese Sub

Update 0513 13 Nov: Here's the article, from the Washington Times' Bill Gertz. It's even lamer than I thought; the Song-class diesel boat was spotted on the surface about five miles from the Kitty Hawk. So, either the Chinese were trying desperately to let us know that they could get that close to us, or this is another of a series of attempts by the Chinese to send their submarines farther afield where they just can't seem to stay undetected and/or submerged. Since they have nothing to gain by taunting us like that, I vote for the second option.

While popular media likes to believe that a carrier battlegroup cover hundred of square miles, thats really the air cover. Submarine screens are done closer in so that detections can overlap. The YU-4 torpedoes on the Song have a range of only a couple of kilometers. The YJ-82's missiles are not carrier killers and China has had a heck of a time getting them to launch consistently submerged.