US issues warrant to seize Iranian tanker off Gibraltar

[Zippyjuan]

If the agreement restored my economy and was good for my people and I thought that the other party was going to follow through with the agreement and not send mixed signals that they wouldn't abide by the terms than why the hell not. If the agreement is just a power play by a bad actor to destablilze your country even further than no. In order to convince me you would need to prove that you would follow through with it. Why not though if it would help my people get the food and healthcare and defence that they need?

So to get an agreement, Trump should promise healthcare and food for Iranians.

 

[nikcers]

So to get an agreement, Trump should promise healthcare and food for Iranians.

Just like the last agreement, we got them to the table by helping their economy recover. If you wreck someones sandcastle and than ask them for a truce afterwards shouldn't you help them restore their sandcastle as part of the truce?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Just like the last agreement, we got them to the table by helping their economy recover. If you wreck someones sandcastle and than ask them for a truce afterwards shouldn't you help them restore their sandcastle as part of the truce?

Trump put sanctions on them for not abiding by a treaty he quit. Now he wants to be rewarded for his actions with another treaty. Obama released funds which already belonged to Iran that the US froze long ago in response to the hostage crisis.

 

[nikcers]

Trump put sanctions on them for not abiding by a treaty he quit. Now he wants to be rewarded for his actions with another treaty. Obama released funds which already belonged to Iran that the US froze long ago in response to the hostage crisis.

Well maybe we should offer a better deal than Obama did, and make a lasting treaty with Iran. It wouldn't be capitulating to Iran to make a deal with them, its called being the better man.

 

[TheCount]

What part of fake deal do you not understand? Even Iran knew it was a fake deal. If I know its a fake deal than they do, they aren't stupid.

7 countries agreed to a fake deal?

 

[nikcers]

7 countries agreed to a fake deal?

Yeah it turns out other countries don't like us as much as they pretend to like us out of fear. We tend to set sort of an example around the world and other countries have to deal with citizens that want the same things that we have.

 

[TheCount]

Yeah it turns out other countries don't like us as much as they pretend to like us out of fear. We tend to set sort of an example around the world and other countries have to deal with citizens that want the same things that we have.

All those other countries continued to abide by the deal even after we dropped out. That doesn't sound like a fake deal.

 

[nikcers]

All those other countries continued to abide by the deal even after we dropped out. That doesn't sound like a fake deal.

That doesn't sound like they like us either, because while they abide by the deal they make us look like an asshole for leaving it. Perception management is fundamental with geopollitics. Often times optics matters more than substance. There are players that don't want us to go to war with Iran that are in the deal and that was the main reason why the deal was created. The original deal included a section that even if Israel attacked Iran we would have to defend Iran. That was one of the main things that brought Iran to the table and why the politicians didn't want to accept the deal. Israel has too many spies here and too much media control so they can destroy someeones political career if they don't do what is good for Israel. Israel wants to be able to attack Iran if they feel threatened by Iran, theerefore only a substantial agreement with Iran that includes Israel and what they want will be politically viable, anything else is fake.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

This is noninterventionism?

^This.

Have to admire swordsmyth's consistent and principled stand for noninterventionism.


If more in MAGA crowd started raising their voices with courage against interventions, foreign-first lobbies and neocons funded politicians' globalist interventions would become a thing of the past alongwith parasitic neocons and perpetual wars profiteering deplorables.