US federal government takes a 10% stake in Intel

Timeline:

Trump begins by slandering and demanding Intel CEO resign because he is Chinese

Trump then praises and flatters the same man after he gets what he wants from him

All this time it is not Trump, but Harold Lutnik behind all of it

If you really want to understand then listen to these two talks: Post #84
 
Timeline:

Trump begins by slandering and demanding Intel CEO resign because he is Chinese

Trump then praises and flatters the same man after he gets what he wants from him

All this time it is not Trump, but Harold Lutnik behind all of it

If you really want to understand then listen to these two talks: Post #84

These too.

And here.
 
AP reported that this wasn't isolated to the executive branch.

"The attack from Trump came after Sen. Tom Cotton sent a letter to Intel Chairman Frank Yeary expressing concern over Tan’s investments and ties to semiconductor firms that are reportedly linked to the Chinese Communist Party and the People’s Liberation Army."

 
Most of the Trumpsters will finally turn against him when the economy crashes.

It won't make much difference though. People are too reliant on governments and will simply repeal and replace. When the economy crashes it will get even more ugly and people typically move toward more authoritarianism and not independence, even if they are forced to for some amount of time. The technocrats will step in and provide "solutions" for the masses, and if/when the little guy attempts to build from the ground up, the monopolies and people who demand things will have something to say about that.

Ridding the CB, FedRes... it will also require people to be moral and grounded in the principles of liberty. Short of that, there will be another system in place that the next generation will have to live with and/or figure out.

Well, not wanting to be a debbie downer, that's my take on it. I see only 2 classes of people living in the future. Hopefully I am wrong.
 
Most of the Trumpsters will finally turn against him when the economy crashes.

I seriously doubt it. In fact, they may even be more apt to double down on supporting him.

When it comes to economics and economic policy, there is and always will be a myriad of things that can be blamed (other than one's own preferred policies, of course). Every faction can (and will) blame other factions for what those other factions did or did not do, rather than themselves for what they did or did not do.
 
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The Real Problem with Trump’s Intel Deal

Mises Wire
Connor O'Keeffe
08/27/2025

One morning, earlier this month, Trump was watching the Fox Business show Mornings with Maria when the show’s host, Maria Bartiromo, mentioned some “concerns” Republican China hawks had had about possible connections between Intel CEO Lip-Bu Tan and the Chinese military. Five minutes later, the president sent out a post demanding that Tan step down “immediately.”

The demand sent Intel’s executives into a panic. The company had already been struggling, and getting on the president’s bad side was the last thing it needed. Intel leaders immediately contacted the White House to set up a meeting. Three days later, Tan flew to Washington and sat down with Trump, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent.

In the meeting, Tan made the case that he wasn’t a Chinese spy and argued that the financial health of Intel was crucial for both the strength of the American economy and for US national security.

Trump was apparently persuaded and agreed to withdraw his demand for Tan to step down. But in exchange, he asked for a ten percent equity share in Intel. Tan agreed.

Last Friday, Trump triumphantly announced the deal—celebrating the fact that the US government would come to own a share of the company. The reaction on the right was mixed.

Plenty of Trump’s acolytes dutifully hopped on board and echoed Trump’s framing that the federal government is “us,” and so any deal that moves money or financial assets into federal accounts is equivalent to transferring that money to all of us Americans.

Others were not convinced. Plenty pointed out, correctly, that the government embedding and allying itself with nominally private companies is the literal definition of economic fascism. Establishment critics, who are not put off by economic fascism as long as they get to call it something else, thought the move was a bit strategically misguided.

More economically sound critics pointed out that this deal is only another step in the wrong direction as the government intervenes more and more in the economy, leaving the American people worse off.

Trump fired back at critics, pointing out that he “paid zero” for the stake in Intel. He’s referring to the fact that the money used to buy Intel stock was already slated to go to the company under Biden’s CHIPS Act.

Doubling down, the administration announced it would be acquiring stakes in more companies. And it would do so to establish something Biden had planned to form if he had won a second term: a so-called sovereign wealth fund. And in doing so, by taking stakes in companies that the government subsidizes, Trump is carrying out Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren’s plan for generating such a fund.

Trump’s adoption of policies put forward by self-proclaimed “socialists” like Bernie Sanders prompted more criticism that this Intel deal represents the president flirting with socialism.

But, semantics aside, it’s important to understand that—whether we call it socialism, fascism, corporatism, or state capitalism—heavy government management of the American economy has already been around for a long time.

It really began during the Progressive era at the end of the nineteenth century. According to the political establishment’s preferred narrative of the period, the American people grew disgusted with unsanitary food production, dangerous working conditions, and income inequality, so they collectively demanded that the government start intervening in the economy. And the government—which in these establishment narratives is always extremely reluctant to become more powerful—relented and established departments like the Food and Drug Administration and the Federal Trade Commission.

Murray Rothbard demolished this narrative in his book on the Progressive era. Drawing on the work of historian Gabriel Kolko, Rothbard argues that the true catalyst for those progressive “reforms” was a recognition among the heads of industry that attempts to set up monopolies and cartels privately were futile because the benefits of cartelization and monopolization could only really be attained with government power.

Sure enough, as Rothbard detailed extensively, company leaders were highly involved in setting up the early federal regulatory system, not because they were attempting to “capture” it, but because the entire purpose from the beginning was to warp their industries to their own benefit.

Perhaps the most egregious example came later in the Progressive era with the founding of the Federal Reserve, which is a literal banking cartel, protected and maintained with state power. But many of the most important industries—from healthcare to agriculture—were structured to benefit specific companies and interest groups.

In the 1930s, credit expansion carried out by America’s state-backed banking cartel caused widespread economic malinvestment, which pulled the economy into a major recession. Then, both presidents Hoover and Franklin Roosevelt intervened to prevent the economy from correcting itself, which froze the economy in a permanent recession, what we now call the Great Depression.

The politically-connected heads of industry and government officials used this economic catastrophe that they had helped create and sustain to expand their hold over the economy even more, with the massive expansion of government power known as the New Deal.

This crony regulatory apparatus has grown under every single presidential administration since, all fueled by the government’s capture of the monetary system through its central banking cartel.

This network has fed off the remaining productive parts of the American economy like a growing parasite. And, as it’s grown, the effects of having a political system designed—from the start—to benefit the well-connected few at the expense of everyone else have grown too.

It was those effects that fueled the appeal of outsider candidates like Donald Trump, who promised to radically change course and roll back the system that had been ripping the American people off for so long.

This brings us to the real problem with Trump’s announcement about the federal government acquiring a ten percent stake in Intel. It’s not that it represents some paradigm-shifting leap into fascism or socialism. The true problem here is that this is yet another example of Trump pivoting to embrace the same corrupt political system that he campaigned against.

By adopting the Sanders-Warren strategy for building a Biden-style sovereign wealth fund—that is bound to fail in making Americans richer and safer, by the way—the Trump administration reveals that they are more than happy to conserve the worst aspects of our interventionist political system, as long as they get to rebrand them as their own.




The Real Problem with Trump’s Intel Deal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaeRLlfcTfc
{Mises Media | 27 August 2025}

The federal government taking an ownership stake in Intel is neither a promising new approach to governance nor an unprecedented leap into economic fascism. It’s simply Trump embracing the corrupt status quo he ran against with a superficial rebrand.

 
Most of the Trumpsters will finally turn against him when the economy crashes.
I doubt it.

But it will depend a lot on timing. Most Trumpers blamed Biden for the high price inflation we had in 2021-23, even though the expansion of the money supply that precipitated that took place during Trump's first term.
 
I doubt it.

But it will depend a lot on timing. Most Trumpers blamed Biden for the high price inflation we had in 2021-23, even though the expansion of the money supply that precipitated that took place during Trump's first term.

Yeah, not the hard core ones but I think a lot of them will. For example when the market went down from the Trump tariffs I noticed that the Texan got pissed off. When you start messing with people's money they tend to pay more attention. So far it's just been theoretical bad stuff trump is doing. Let's see what happens if the market drops by 40% or prices go up by 20% in a year.
 
Yeah, not the hard core ones but I think a lot of them will. For example when the market went down from the Trump tariffs I noticed that the Texan got pissed off. When you start messing with people's money they tend to pay more attention. So far it's just been theoretical bad stuff trump is doing. Let's see what happens if the market drops by 40% or prices go up by 20% in a year.
Yeah, but the Texan wasn't pissed off at Trump for the tariffs. He was pissed off at reality for failing to provide him with better evidence to support his pro-tariff views.
 
The Real Problem with Trump’s Intel Deal


The federal government taking an ownership stake in Intel is neither a promising new approach to governance nor an unprecedented leap into economic fascism. It’s simply Trump embracing the corrupt status quo he ran against with a superficial rebrand.

Reason #23,415 not to own a business in the US.
 
TIL "capitalism" is when the government extorts a private company into giving the government an ownership stake in itself after a politician threatens the company's CEO with accusations of being a spy for pinko-commie foreigners.

 
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Yeah, but the Texan wasn't pissed off at Trump for the tariffs. He was pissed off at reality for failing to provide him with better evidence to support his pro-tariff views.

LOL no.

I've articulated the right way to do tariffs long before Trump took office, and I've been pretty consistent that Trump's tariffs are the wrong way to do things.
 
All of the people who are complaining about Trump's trade war are just going to claim that the economy is doing good in spite of the trade war when the economy starts to drastically improve and is substantially stronger than it has been in decades.

They'll say that economy would be doing even better if it werent for Trump's tariffs.

We could have 5% GDP growth and manufacturing booming all over the country and 2 dollar gas and they would say Jesus if it werent for these tariffs we would have a great economy.
 
All of the people who are complaining about Trump's trade war are just going to claim that the economy is doing good in spite of the trade war when the economy starts to drastically improve and is substantially stronger than it has been in decades.

They'll say that economy would be doing even better if it werent for Trump's tariffs.

He has no cohesive strategy. All that he's managing to do is adding chaos to the economy.

If the economy does end up doing better, it will be solely by luck.
 
He has no cohesive strategy. All that he's managing to do is adding chaos to the economy.

If the economy does end up doing better, it will be solely by luck.
Trump has a grand strategy.

It just looks like chaos because thats how the media is portraying it.

They blow things out of proportion and deflect from what is really happening because he is actually bringing our country back from the dead.
 
Trump has a grand strategy.

It just looks like chaos because thats how the media is portraying it.

They blow things out of proportion and deflect from what is really happening because he is actually bringing our country back from the dead.

Drastic unpredictable swings in tariffs rates doesn't do anyone any good.

Noone is going to build factories in America based on that.

Factories take years to build and many more years to become profitable.

Everyone who looks at Trump's tariffs just looks at it and says "how can we ride this out until the next administration" and noone is saying "lets make long term investments based on these policies".
 
Drastic unpredictable swings in tariffs rates doesn't do anyone any good.

Noone is going to build factories in America based on that.

Factories take years to build and many more years to become profitable.

Everyone who looks at Trump's tariffs just looks at it and says "how can we ride this out until the next administration" and noone is saying "lets make long term investments based on these policies".

That was definitely what people were saying in April.

These other countries couldn't ride out the storm though and they caved and they are making concessions that they wouldn't make otherwise.

Thats like trying to play dead while you are getting attacked by an animal.

Other countries want to make long term investments so they can't afford to gamble on whether the next administration will remove the tariffs.

Plus the US economy is so massive that tariffs on one country effect second and third countrys.

Its just not the fact that they can just turn around and do business with someone else instead of the USA.

Prices are determined by demand so if the USA's demand disappears from a market the prices they can charge other countries doesn't remain the same.
 
I hear it's just a lot cheaper and easier to make stuff in Asia - fewer regulations, lower legal hurdles, etc.

That's only a rumor, though. There's probably nothing to it.

TIL "capitalism" is when the government extorts a private company into giving the government an ownership stake in itself after a politician threatens the company's CEO with accusations of being a spy for pinko-commie foreigners.




I swear, I was going to make a joke earlier about Trump eventually buying tanks from China.

I decided not to, because it seemed a bit weak and tenuous.

But now I'm wondering if it was some kind of premonition ...

 
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