US federal government takes a 10% stake in Intel

Obviously not.



No, you don't get it at all. Not at all.

Government can barely be trusted to identify what will be needed, and it absolutely always screws up the job of bringing it to fruition. All it knows how to do is stand by its boondoggles until the enemy is proving it undeniably wrong by kicking our ass.

That's why it doesn't need to be picking Intel and trying to make a winner out of it. History says the odds that this will work are very, very slim. Private enterprise is far better at identifying what's needed and making it happen.

Well, considering that the US is the most advanced military in the world and this is how we got that way, I'll just borrow a quite from Iron Man

"That's how Dad did it, that's how America does it, and it's worked out pretty well so far"

:cool:

P.S. there is no such thing as a "private enterprise" when it comes to military manufacturers
 
Killing them 10 to 1 which is a conservative estimate means we kicked their ass, not the other way around.

And it would have been more but we were playing nice.

Washington lost every battle but Cornwallis went home with his objective unachieved.

You're arguing, by extension, that the US got its ass kicked in its own Revolutionary War. It's not entirely untrue, but I was talking about who wins a war. We haven't been batting a thousand for a very, very long time.
 


Ok, the name of the country keeps getting longer and I don't know how more I can keep up:

"United Socialist Republic States of Israel and China"

For the Republicans who hate Obama/Biden terms such as socialism and commie-nationalism, this one rolls off the tongue a little easier: "Stakeholder Capitalism"
 
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Why The US Government Stake in Intel is Fascism, not Communism

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by Chris Rossini
Aug 23, 2025

With the government buying stocks in private companies, such as the US government’s newly-announced purchase of ten percent of technology giant Intel, it’s important to know why this is fascist and not communist.

There is a difference between the two.

With communism, government owns all of the capital outright. There is no private ownership of business or industry. Communism always collapses very quickly because there are no market prices.

With government being the only owner of capital, you can’t have a market. It takes (at least) two property owners to tango and to generate market prices. Without market prices, you can’t have profits and losses. So the government has no idea what they are doing. They don’t know where to add resources, and where to take them away.

No market signals.

Poverty and starvation comes quickly with communism.

“The powers that shouldn’t be” use communism more as a weapon to destroy a targeted society, than as an actual economic system. Communism is a tool to destroy…and then it’s replaced with something that has at least a hint of rationality to it.

Fascism is usually the go-to for “the powers that shouldn’t be” because there’s a hint of rationality that keeps it from dying quickly. With fascism, government and corporations are “separate,” but act as one. As opposed to communism, government isn’t the sole owner of capital.

Markets still exist … profits and losses exist … But the whole process is warped and retarded.



Corporations tied to government are kept in business when they should go bankrupt. Resources that should be freed to do more productive things, are instead kept in losing ventures.

With fascism, THE BIG decisions and investments are made, not for the consumers, but for the power of the government. The corporations are arms of the state.

Government won’t censor you, the corporation will, on behalf of the government. Government won’t counterfeit money; the private bank will, on behalf of the government.

Tech isn’t made for us (even though we enjoy many benefits). It’s made for the government to surveil and try to control us.

Since fascism consists of markets for the benefit of state power, the markets ultimately become so warped and resources are so misallocated, that fascism collapses too.

With communism, the economy bleeds out without anything to coagulate it. Nothing stops the bleeding. There is no market. With fascism, the economy bleeds, but slower, since there are remnants of the market. But both end in economic death.

Fascism is what strangles the world today.

In America it’s as obvious as anything. We continually watch our standard of living bleed away. But it bleeds much slower than if it was communist. It has taken generations.

The United States is called “capitalist,” but it is fascist.

China is called “communist” but it is fascist.

Both are state + corporations operating with market prices; with profits and losses. Fascism ends very badly. It is known as a “vampire economy.” The economy bleeds to death slowly. We’ve gone very far from the original “land of the free.”



 
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Now instead of getting "corrected" when I say FASCISM, I have something to back me up :up:

Though, commie-nationalism still has a ring to it and it never got me into trouble [Trump is not a Fascist!!!] I can't win for losing 😂

Back on topic, we are in a sad state of affairs.
 
So the US government now owns a stake in the same Intel with a built in back door (hardware!)?!?
 
Now instead of getting "corrected" when I say FASCISM, I have something to back me up
I think that ALL of these political ideologies are nothing more than propaganda to enslave the masses.
As such in essence there is no real difference between communism and fascism, simply finding an enemy for the masses to oppose, while the real enemy is the state...

Weren't the Nazis using IBM (Dehomag)?!?
Aren't right wing conspiracy theorists trying to frame technocracy as some sort of communist conspiracy?!?

So the (fascist?) US government now owns a stake in the same Intel with a built in back door (hardware!)...
 
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It's not communism when Republicans do it.



Is it just a coincidence that the same day I post the "Hillary Clinton praises Donald Trump" thread, a story comes out showing Trump is really the same leftist he was when he was supporting Hillary Clinton? Only....it's worse. He's a nationalist. He's a socialist. He's a National Socialist. He's a Nazi.

Ironically the Bablylon Bee recently did a parody of a modern progressive going back in time to kill Hitler only to find out that she actually agreed with his national socialism. Will t hey now do the same for MAGA?
It may be Marxism but it's Marxism I like. Is it how I would have done it? Nope. Am I glad that he's taking a heavy hand in restoring our manufacturing capabilities? Yep.

Will it have negative long term consequences? Yup.

Do I really care? Nope!
So....how is taking a 10% stake in Intel based on money already either given to Intel or allocated to Intel "restoring our manufacturing capability?"
 
So....how is taking a 10% stake in Intel based on money already either given to Intel or allocated to Intel "restoring our manufacturing capability?"

It wasn't already given to Intel. Trump may have chosen to withhold the grant, if he didn't get something in return.

Also, it sets a precedent both for himself and others, that will give him additional options in subsidizing manufacturing in the future. It might be easier to sell it to his base if he's investing in these companies ("fascism") vs just straight up giving these companies money ("being a sucker").
 
It wasn't already given to Intel. Trump may have chosen to withhold the grant, if he didn't get something in return.
That's why I said "either given to Intel or allocated to Intel."
Also, it sets a precedent both for himself and others, that will give him additional options in subsidizing manufacturing in the future. It might be easier to sell it to his base if he's investing in these companies ("fascism") vs just straight up giving these companies money ("being a sucker").

So now the goal is to sell communism under the label of fascism to Trump's base? And that's a good thing?

Anyhow, I'm with Massey.

 
That's why I said "either given to Intel or allocated to Intel."

And that's why I clarified it wasn't given. Because there's a big difference between given and allocated.

So now the goal is to sell communism under the label of fascism to Trump's base? And that's a good thing?

I've never made it a secret that I have moderate fascist tendencies. :up:


Anyhow, I'm with Massey.



Our government doesn't have any ownership in private companies.

Intel isn't really a private company anymore now is it :cool:
 
I've never made it a secret that I have moderate fascist tendencies. :up:

Intel isn't really a private company anymore now is it :cool:

China China China! Down with Biden! Trump is making us China!
 
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