US Economists "WARN" of Deflation (GREAT ARTICLE)

There is either going to be severe deflation or hyperinflation in the near future, and it is completely up to our masters which it will be. If they take their hands off the whole bubble will explode and prices will crash, interest rates will skyrocket, and the federal government will default on its debt. If they insist on trying to keep the bubble inflated they will have to pump more and more money into it to keep it going and the dollar will be destroyed.
 
Gold Standard's got it. 1 of 2 things happen Hyperinflation or Hyperdeflation and its all up to the policy makers currently called the Fed on which way we go. Neither tastes good.

Inflation prolongs the problem but is better in the short term. Thats why I'd put my chips there.

Deflation is the faster quicker cure but requires us to admit that we're wrong and undo decades of bad monetary policy.
 
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I'm not saying that deflation isn't a bad thing. Too much money or too little money are equally bad. I just follow history, and I don't see the FED going back on 80 years of their policies and saying "you know, maybe we should give deflation a try".

Your point is well taken. However, who is to say they will not claim they are impotent to stop it? It may sound crazy to us because we have endeavored to educate ourselves at least nominally on these issues. The vast and overwhelming majority of people have no clue and I am pretty certain would take such a ridiculous assertion at face and think to themselves, "oh, woe is me..." This is done ALL THE TIME, and even when significant populations say WTF, the media maintains the superficial illusion according to whatever the story-du-jour happens to be. The psychological impact of this practice alone is difficult to overestimate in terms of its value as an opinion corralling tool and a means of neutralizing opposition. Cognitive dissonance gets people killed - it damned sure works well in keeping a great majority of people at bay.
 
I've been wondering about the effects on Wages, especially for the lower wage people in restaurants or assembly jobs. It doesn't seem like these bottom wage jobs really ever kept up with inflation. If they're not to far into debt already I wondered if they might benefit from some deflation assuming their wages stay about the same.

Also in a way I've wondered if inflation causes a shift in wealth to the upper class and if deflation may do the opposite. In particular I think of the wealth gap we have, the shrinking middle class, and the insane compensation packages some executives get. I'd like to think about deflation effects would reverse that and extravagant executive pay would shrink. Yet, I also have to admit people who went into more debt while clinging to the middle class lifestyle would be in a bind. It's that last part that I'm not sure how it would work out.
 
I think what we are going through now is a period of deflation.

I noticed it a while back and posted on it in this thread (5-11-2012) and this thread.

What I have noticed since then is an increase in road traffic, on the way to, and from work. That to me indicates more people coming back to work.

When I look at something like this I try to look at the basics. Well the basics the way I see them.

If you allow counterfeiters to counterfeit when they double the supply of currency they reduce the value of each dollar by half.

It doesn't increase the amount of commodities in any way but does shift the ownership. (See Super Dollar chart below and embiggen it. )

Anyway for decades I've watched my friends and myself stripped of our assets and liberty because of the counterfeiting. The amount of the counterfeiting can be easily determined by the amount of inflation. (See Devaluation of the Dollar below and embiggen it. (Middle))

All of those years we have been gradually squeezed out of our livelihoods. Even very sound businesses are buckling under the weight of the theft.

When a bubble like the housing bubble burst I would think it should result in some of the money supply being taken out of the system. Not if they bail themselves out with more counterfeit though. In the middle chart below you can see the little bumps when the currency was devalued with the creation of counterfeit to finance earlier wars. I think it was drawn out of the system through taxation, then pretty much destroyed and the dollar returned to something you could bank on. It must have been painful to draw the counterfeit out of the system back then.

That aside. What I'm think I'm seeing now with the increase in traffic is a reversal of the processes of the counterfeiters squeezing us out of our livelihoods and liberty.


Another thing I've noticed in all of this mayhem is that they seem to be talking about two economy's but never differentiate which one. When the say bad, do they mean for theirs or ours? Mostly I think they mean me, me, and me!!!


I'm thinking for the last month or so our paychecks have been getting a little bit stronger...but look at the size of that behemoth of a hump! (Middle Chart)
 
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I've been wondering about the effects on Wages, especially for the lower wage people in restaurants or assembly jobs. It doesn't seem like these bottom wage jobs really ever kept up with inflation. If they're not to far into debt already I wondered if they might benefit from some deflation assuming their wages stay about the same.

Also in a way I've wondered if inflation causes a shift in wealth to the upper class and if deflation may do the opposite. In particular I think of the wealth gap we have, the shrinking middle class, and the insane compensation packages some executives get. I'd like to think about deflation effects would reverse that and extravagant executive pay would shrink. Yet, I also have to admit people who went into more debt while clinging to the middle class lifestyle would be in a bind. It's that last part that I'm not sure how it would work out.

The problem is that deflation is occuring in wages. Also in housing, which effects household wealth. Inflation in almost everything else.
 
Deflation is the only thing they can prevent, so they make it a huge villain and harp over how they save everyone from deflation. Like Rockerrockstar said further inflation is coming, you can count on that. The QE3 ammo is already in the clip ready to fire.
Magazine!!! MAGAZINE MAGAZINE MAGAZINE!!!

That is all.
 
Talk of deflationary dollar seems quite real.
right now 1 unit of dollars = 10 units of oil, in the future 1 unit of dollar = 20 units of oil is quite plausible because all the other illusionary commodities (yen, euro, sterling) are turning to junk .
I have 10 units of oil, i don't want your euro, go find me some dollars, i'll sell 20 units, just give me some dollars...
I can not see how TBTB would profit or lose in this game. Can not see how this wipes out American Middle Class at all. Maybe Europe middle class. Austerity measures through out the EU.
 
Well, yes. At this moment in time deflation stands to become the instrument of yet another great shearing of the public. The money supply was blown up to huge proportions and prices have followed. In the meanwhile, salaries have dropped in the face of rampant unemployment. As deflated as the housing market may have become, it is still higher in most places than it was previously and people are still hanging on to toxic mortgages, most likely hoping for better days which are not likely to be forthcoming any time soon.

When the deflation hits and depending on the degree to which is does, salaries will likely go down further. Commodity prices may also deflate, thereby lowering the cost of items such as food, heating oil, and other essential items..maybe. But those mortgages will not go down and that will put tens of millions of people behind a very big 8-ball. One can only wonder where this stands to go. If it goes that badly, and it is not far fetched to suggest that it may, how will the creditors proceed? I suspect that conventional foreclosure on such a scale will not profit the powerculture well at all. It would, in fact, raise threats against it. My thoughts are running along a line of subtle deviousness where the shit-scared homeowner is offered a way to keep "his" home that would include a reduced monthly payment in exchange for a GREATLY extended term, say, 75, 100, or 150 years. This would leave the homeowner feeling as if they'd dodged the bullet of homelessness or having to move in with his mother-in -law for the rest of his life.

I am also suspiciously musing over whether other considerations might be demanded as well. It would not take any great stretch to include waivers of basic human rights in some cloaked form where the frantic homeowner is so freaked out by his circumstance and so grasping of the apparent life preserver that has been thrown him, he eagerly and thankfully signs on the dotted line, unaware that he has just effectively sold his soul to the devil.

For example, I can readily see a new set of concerns for the integrity of the asset arise in sudden and rapaciously vigorous fashion. In the wake of the '08 housing collapse there was covered in the media several cases of former owners trashing the houses that were taken from them. It is no great leap to anticipate banks now wringing their hands over this most lamentable circumstance and therefore requiring additional insurance riders to be taken by "homeowners" (now really rent-slaves). I can readily see them extending this to restriction on the sorts of materials one keeps on the premises such as FIREARMS which they may deem a hazard to the physical integrity of the property. This could be hidden amidst a great litany of "dangerous" items such as chemical agents, tools of various sorts, and so on. The asset is THEIRS for all practical purposes and as such they may dictate such conditions.

Many would reject such conditions and those would end up on the streets, or living with "mom". But IMO the vast and overwhelming majority would cave without so much as the first thoughts about it, sign, and thereafter have to relinquish various possessions such as guns and ammunition to the market place. Were this to happen on a large scale, the gun market would flood and prices would collapse. Mr. Homeowner would get paltry sums for his guns and I would not at all be surprised to see corporate entities snapping them up at those depressed prices, the arms ending up in government melters and a great coup of disarmament having been pulled off without so much as a whisper.

Just to s how you how far this idiocy could extend, I could also see the asset holders imposing ridiculous protective requirements for their property assets such as that to install a safe of a minimal quality wherein all valuables such as jewelry, coin, negotiable instruments, and so forth must be kept if they are to be stored on the property. Why? Because without such a safe thieves would be more likely to hit your house, damaging the banks property. Ridiculous you say? Absolutely so, but when has that ever stopped "them" in the past? Never? Right.

Once the landscape changes to this dreary composition of bank-owned properties being leased very long term to a family in intergenerational style as we find in the UK, almost any freakishly unreasonable nonsense may arise and while there may be many far more reasonable and effective remedies to the "concerns" raised by the banks, they may as easily be ignored in favor of those remedies that just happen to yield results that serve the powerculture most admirably.

If deflation hits hard, it is going to wipe the middle class out in very short order precisely on the basis of large capital mortgages, whether for homes, second properties, costly conveyances including automobiles, aircraft, and boats, and anything else where the monthly nut becomes disproportionately large in comparison with income. This is the danger inherent in "leverage". Credit leverage is a GREAT thing so long as you're making money. If you're lending me $$ at 5% and I'm making 8% on it, I will do that all day long. But when my cashflow becomes restricted, that same leverage becomes a yoke around my neck and if things go far enough, a noose.

My father built a house in Flushing, Queens, City of New York in 1950 for something like $5K. It is now somewhere in the $800K range, the cost now far and away outstripping inflation. Nobody in their right mind would buy that house for such money, yet someone has. People have been had big time and the hammer may be about to fall. If it does, look for some quantum change in how life is lived in this nation. As Rahm Immanuel said not too long ago, there is no reason to let a perfectly good crisis go to waste and I seriously doubt these gangsters would.

Everything I've speculated here may be dead wrong, but I will nevertheless advise all to keep their eyes peeled. The coming 6 months may be very interesting.

Deflation by destroying dollars doesn't help us. The damage has already been done by the inflation and that can't be taken back. The only thing that can help is the prevention of further inflation.
 
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